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petenh

Mon 09/10/18 02:26 PM



Obama is now taking credit for jobs he said would never come back. Trump is showing him how it done. MAGA
well, look at his followers...just ones in mingle are enough to know it doesn't matter what he says, as long as he says it... They can't see his lies, so everything is the gospel from their Messiah..


Moe: I asked you before, but you still have not named them. What are these lies you refer to Obama saying? I gave you one free: "you can keep your own doctor" What are the rest of his Top 10?

You can't name the lies you say he told, so they must not exist.
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petenh

Mon 09/10/18 02:28 PM






when did he say jobs would never come back? Must have been before 2010, when they started coming back and setting a record for most months of job creation in recorded history ...



that chart isn't truthful, he had unemployment rates in the 20 for a time..



as truthful as Trumps, which use the same source and the same standard.

and trends dont lie, things go up or down, as long as the standards used are the same ....


the downward trend in unemployment began under Obama, as did the increase in job creation ...



you'll never sell me that, no matter what charts, pie graphs, or whatever else you use as a visual...I've know so many people out of work here in Houston back then, a city with one of the strongest economys in the world...those charts are made with info from the government, which never lies, huh... And btw, they're all working now, with good paying jobs...


In other words "Don't confuse me with facts and proof, I KNOW my opinion"
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mightymoe

Mon 09/10/18 02:39 PM







when did he say jobs would never come back? Must have been before 2010, when they started coming back and setting a record for most months of job creation in recorded history ...



that chart isn't truthful, he had unemployment rates in the 20 for a time..



as truthful as Trumps, which use the same source and the same standard.

and trends dont lie, things go up or down, as long as the standards used are the same ....


the downward trend in unemployment began under Obama, as did the increase in job creation ...



you'll never sell me that, no matter what charts, pie graphs, or whatever else you use as a visual...I've know so many people out of work here in Houston back then, a city with one of the strongest economys in the world...those charts are made with info from the government, which never lies, huh... And btw, they're all working now, with good paying jobs...


In other words "Don't confuse me with facts and proof, I KNOW my opinion"
two words - reading comprehension...
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mightymoe

Mon 09/10/18 02:42 PM




Obama is now taking credit for jobs he said would never come back. Trump is showing him how it done. MAGA
well, look at his followers...just ones in mingle are enough to know it doesn't matter what he says, as long as he says it... They can't see his lies, so everything is the gospel from their Messiah..


Moe: I asked you before, but you still have not named them. What are these lies you refer to Obama saying? I gave you one free: "you can keep your own doctor" What are the rest of his Top 10?

You can't name the lies you say he told, so they must not exist.
1. This topic isn't about obarrys lies...
2. I've post hundreds of his lies on here at least 8 times in the past, and there about 20 topics of it on here...go dig those up and ask me on one of those threads ...
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msharmony

Mon 09/10/18 03:00 PM



Obama saved the economy, after Bush turned it over to him! All trump has done is increase the deficit by 1 1/2 trillion dollars! trump has done nothing, except golf a lot and line his own pockets!
when obarry took office, we were at a 2 to 3 trillion deficit...now we're at 20 trillion...so please enlighten us all on how obarry saved anything..


a common mix up of terms, when obama came in, 2009, the fed deficit (the difference between what the government spent and what it received) was 1.4 trillion, and when he left it was 665 billion.


when obama came in, in 2009, the fed DEBT (the total financial obligations still held) was 10.6 trillion and when he left in 2017 it was 19.9 trillion

a nearly 100 percent increase after eight years, which puts him up there with Bush and Reagan, who oversaw a 100 and 200 percent increase in the debt, respectively.



He did well with the deficit, but not with the debt, but considering the investment and choices that needed to be made to prevent a depression, its not something that is difficult to understand.
Edited by msharmony on Mon 09/10/18 03:01 PM
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Rock

Mon 09/10/18 03:41 PM


Obama is now taking credit for jobs he said would never come back. Trump is showing him how it done. MAGA


Obama & ilk, are idiots.

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mightymoe

Mon 09/10/18 03:43 PM







when did he say jobs would never come back? Must have been before 2010, when they started coming back and setting a record for most months of job creation in recorded history ...



that chart isn't truthful, he had unemployment rates in the 20 for a time..



as truthful as Trumps, which use the same source and the same standard.

and trends dont lie, things go up or down, as long as the standards used are the same ....


the downward trend in unemployment began under Obama, as did the increase in job creation ...



you'll never sell me that, no matter what charts, pie graphs, or whatever else you use as a visual...I've know so many people out of work here in Houston back then, a city with one of the strongest economys in the world...those charts are made with info from the government, which never lies, huh... And btw, they're all working now, with good paying jobs...


and I dont know any black people who are criminals, or any women with breast cancer, doesnt mean that my existence is the only experience represented in the world or the only experience happening across the country.

the same charts and graphs and sources praising Trump were the same ones used under OBAMA. either they are credible or theyre not. if they are not, none of us know WHO should or should not receive credit ...




I agree, that's why I never post polls, graphs, or charts, because they really are meaningless...from my viewpoint, I've seen the job market with bush, Obama,and Trump...Obama was the worst, hands down...maybe it could have been better in another location with Obama, but I don't know that...
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mightymoe

Mon 09/10/18 03:48 PM




Obama saved the economy, after Bush turned it over to him! All trump has done is increase the deficit by 1 1/2 trillion dollars! trump has done nothing, except golf a lot and line his own pockets!
when obarry took office, we were at a 2 to 3 trillion deficit...now we're at 20 trillion...so please enlighten us all on how obarry saved anything..


a common mix up of terms, when obama came in, 2009, the fed deficit (the difference between what the government spent and what it received) was 1.4 trillion, and when he left it was 665 billion.


when obama came in, in 2009, the fed DEBT (the total financial obligations still held) was 10.6 trillion and when he left in 2017 it was 19.9 trillion

a nearly 100 percent increase after eight years, which puts him up there with Bush and Reagan, who oversaw a 100 and 200 percent increase in the debt, respectively.



He did well with the deficit, but not with the debt, but considering the investment and choices that needed to be made to prevent a depression, its not something that is difficult to understand.
to me, you're comparing the three worst presidents... Reagan was the beginning of the puppet presidents, bush an idiot coke head, and Obama was actually trying to destroy the country... Obama never tried to stop a depression, if he was, he would have gave the bankers bailout to the homeowners, not the banks...
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Redrider1500

Mon 09/10/18 03:51 PM

Doesn't losing 1000+ seats to republicans during his eight years in office mean anything?

Oh I guess we were just imagining things.
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mightymoe

Mon 09/10/18 03:55 PM


Doesn't losing 1000+ seats to republicans during his eight years in office mean anything?

Oh I guess we were just imagining things.
it was the white privileged racists that hated obarry because he was almost black..
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Toodygirl5

Mon 09/10/18 04:06 PM

Who cares what Obama did,. Which was not much to help US.

Edited by Toodygirl5 on Mon 09/10/18 04:07 PM
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mightymoe

Mon 09/10/18 04:11 PM


Who cares what Obama did,. Which was not much to help US.


true....but we keep bringing him up...indifferent
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msharmony

Mon 09/10/18 05:01 PM



Obama is now taking credit for jobs he said would never come back. Trump is showing him how it done. MAGA


Obama & ilk, are idiots.





The noun idiot means a person of lower-than-normal intelligence or someone who does foolish things,

Idiot was formerly a legal and psychiatric category of profound intellectual disability, where a person's mental age is two years or less,


enough said, we see the 'ilk' that debates like two year olds ...


Edited by msharmony on Mon 09/10/18 05:03 PM
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Toodygirl5

Mon 09/10/18 05:16 PM

I read a lot of that on Political forum from the Left.
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Workin4it

Mon 09/10/18 06:40 PM


Obama saved the economy, after Bush turned it over to him! All trump has done is increase the deficit by 1 1/2 trillion dollars! trump has done nothing, except golf a lot and line his own pockets!
actually the bank bailouts were what " saved" the economy, and those were done by Bush. So the band-aid was already in place when Obama got to Washington . After 8 years our economy should have been roaring back, but under Obama it grew at a snails pace while he grew the deficit more than all the other presidents deficit increase combined. Trump comes along and in less than 2 years has this country and our economy and jobs in better standing than we've been in 30 years, maybe better than that.
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Easttowest72

Tue 09/11/18 02:24 AM

Trump is growing jobs in the goods sector of the economy. Those are decent paying with benefits. Obama grew jobs in the service sector. Those are fast food workers etc, no benefits, and scrape by jobs.
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greeneyes148

Tue 09/11/18 03:54 AM

One poster noted that new jobs were being created in construction, mining & logging as if that was a bad thing.
Maybe they can not see much from the small towns they live in but here on the east coast there are countless major infrastructure projects going on .bridges. highways..tunnels..airports ..major long term ( years) work.
And I can tell you first hand these workers get paid prevailing wage..which is big money.
These are NEW projects that not only give years worth of stable high paying employment but also bring our infrastructure up to where it should be . Which was not done under the last administration
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msharmony

Tue 09/11/18 07:24 AM


Doesn't losing 1000+ seats to republicans during his eight years in office mean anything?

Oh I guess we were just imagining things.


No. Unless we hire people or elect them because of how we feel about another elected official, it does not.

What matters is how he took HIS responsibility the seat HE held.
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msharmony

Tue 09/11/18 07:26 AM


Who cares what Obama did,. Which was not much to help US.




That statement is EXACTLY why I care. When one POTUS can achieve numbers and people claim they did nothing or nothing 'much', but another POTUS who does the same or even less, can be expected to be given credit, it seems like a sad and hypocritical double standard that doesn't do much for the political landscape.

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msharmony

Tue 09/11/18 07:29 AM



Obama saved the economy, after Bush turned it over to him! All trump has done is increase the deficit by 1 1/2 trillion dollars! trump has done nothing, except golf a lot and line his own pockets!
actually the bank bailouts were what " saved" the economy, and those were done by Bush. So the band-aid was already in place when Obama got to Washington . After 8 years our economy should have been roaring back, but under Obama it grew at a snails pace while he grew the deficit more than all the other presidents deficit increase combined. Trump comes along and in less than 2 years has this country and our economy and jobs in better standing than we've been in 30 years, maybe better than that.


Do you not see the irony with this argument. So, Obama should not have credit because of what was 'already in place' with Bush. But he also should not have credit what he had 'already in place' for Trump.

its inconsistent and illogical.


Whatever 'pace' one things it should have grown, it grew. And as shown above he did not 'grow' the deficit. He nearly cut it in half. He did add 74 percent to the DEBT, which was not good but unavoidable to avoid the depression we were nearing. I dont know how you are measuring 'better' or come up with 30 years. Is it just repeating what Trump or his campaign have claimed?