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shovelheaddave

Sun 09/09/18 09:59 AM

recently a new in-depth documentary called 'active measures' by jack bryan has been released whose subject is the comprehensive analysis of the connection between donald trump and the russians,and their interference into our 2016 election.

it is so in-depth,and has such great credibility that it cites more than 200 reliable sources,and traces the connection back several decades,back to 1984,when donald trump sold five trump tower condos to russian mobster david bogdan to give this investigation the proper context that is needed to understand what has been happening.

basically,what has been happening is that the crooked russian government officials,including vladimir putin,as well as the russian oligarchs who have gotteen tremendously wealthy from skimming money from both government,and private corporations in russia,and the russian mob have been laundering,and legitimizing their money,and converting it from highly unpredictable russian rubles into more stable u.s. dollars by purchasing american real estate with the help of private brokers.

since these transactions are basically cash purchases,being handled by private brokers,instead of being handled by banks,which are required to report certain things to the government,there is absolutley no oversight into these dealings,and there is even a specially worded legal clause in the "patriot act" that allows 'real estate transactions' to slip through a loophole,and be free from government oversight,which makes real estate purchases a perfect tool for foreign investors to use to launder money with.

donald trump has been involved in real estate transactions with the russians since his first sale to the russian mob in 1984,and has continued to have ties to them through real estate transactions ever since,which is the source of a great deal of his wealth.

this also explains why he has been so relunctant to release his tax returns,as they will almost certainly reveal that he has been receiving a great amount of income from people connected to the russian government,the russian oligarchs,and the russian mob,which are ALL basically the same thing,since the russian mob is controlled by the russian government,which is made up with the russian oligarchs,and gives us insight as to some of the leverage that the russians have against donald trump.

this documentary also gives in depth analysis of the russian interference into our 2016 election,and the methods that they used to do it.

here are some links that partially explains some of these details...

https://movieweb.com/active-measures-movie-review/

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/active-measures-2018

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/31/active-measures-film-documentary-russia-trump

and the entire documentary "ACTIVE MEASURES" can currently be viewed in its entirety on HULU.

while i am sure that there will be some trump supporters who find the content of this documentary very hard to swallow,and they will try to deny what this documentary reveals to us,they will be unable to rationally deny the over abundance of indisputable facts that are revealed in it.

Edited by shovelheaddave on Sun 09/09/18 10:20 AM

Palghat

Sun 09/09/18 11:01 AM

while i am sure that there will be some trump supporters who find the content of this documentary very hard to swallow,and they will try to deny what this documentary reveals to us,they will be unable to rationally deny the over abundance of indisputable facts that are revealed in it.

I don't think Americans (Trump supporters) have the knowledge on business with Russians. In India, we do a lot. Many of our government projects like the blast furnace within steel plants or metro underground where water table is high are contracted out to Russian government owned agencies. Normally, the head of this project is a secretary of the Communist Party (who keeps an eye on the site people).

The two ways of doing business is 1) with Russian government agency called the public sector who install hi-tech vertical turbines. If a turbine shipment arrives with broken package; the Russian technician will not erect it even when his checks confirm that the shaft is within its natural sag. Reason is, if the turbine performance fails, he could be sent to Siberia.

2)With the newly created Russian privately owned firms, it's the other way around. If payment is delayed; they will walk away from the project - midway. You are right, these guys are thugs. In some fairness, they have to be else they couldn't have started their firm with KGB and other officials waxing their mustaches. They buy up assets with ready cash and so cheaply. Cash is king. How did they get the initial cash? Example, selling smuggled goods - big market in Russia for western consumer products.

So what 33 year old Jack Bryan has written, is common knowledge here. As my project guide used to say, if you want to become a businessman, (in India); you have to begin by exploiting the poor. He should know, he got his PhD from Moscow University (way back, when it was still the USSR).

Edited by Palghat on Sun 09/09/18 11:03 AM

tombraider

Sun 09/09/18 12:11 PM

You do realize you're living in the MATRIX created..and that all you believe is probably a continuation of one BIG lie..the MOCKINGBIRD sings and all become mesmerized by it's song..Do any of you realize exactly who Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama really are and what they are about...Do you think that all these wars we have been in are legit..we have probably done worse things to these other nations then they have done to us..

DO THE RESEARCH

You can continue to bash Trump ..but you all really have no idea how bad you have been DUPED think not..

HERE..just a thought ..do you think you've been told the truth..really..HAS anyone told you about the other planetary system that is floating out there within our SOLAR SYSTEM....think not...DO THE RESEARCH.....The media is controlled by the CIA and has been for no other reason than to lie to you or keep things from you..You don't have to believe me just look it up..Project MOCKINGBIRD...

There are some of us who have broken free of the matrix perhaps this will set you on the path to the knowledge so that you too can be freed..EYES WIDE OPEN...

WWG1 WGA...

tc DAVE..If you DO THE RESEARCH..you will see there are things more important for you to worry about...Start Prepping..all of you..Trump isn't as bad as those kept out of office..FRAZZLEDRIP..PIZZAGATE..are real..DO THE RESEARCH..I hope this helps..again tc...

Edited by tombraider on Sun 09/09/18 12:26 PM

Datwasntme

Sun 09/09/18 12:27 PM

tombraider
well said
but it will go in one ear and out the other with most people
and most are to lazy to do any real research
<shrug>
is a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist still bad, when it turns out to be right : )
funny part is that has back fired on them cause now when i hear conspiracy theorist , i stop and listen

tombraider

Sun 09/09/18 01:02 PM

Thank you..it's nice to hear
someone appreciates it...
I have to try and help people
it's my nature I'm stupid that way..lol
Back to my rubber room
with me tin foil hat

You know..the truth don't you
Datwasntme..thank you

You take care as well ..all of you

tombs..out

WWG1 WGA

Datwasntme

Sun 09/09/18 01:11 PM

me , no , i know nothing
i am just here for the ride
oh and they upgraded tin foil hats
now they use a polymer , seen a video for it a while back
and jealous you have your own rubber room

tombraider

Sun 09/09/18 02:37 PM

Hate to tell ya but that hat too has been upgraded to hats that have a ceramic coat with a long flap on the back..You see all those CHEMTRAILS of strontium barium aluminum coal ash titanium and nickel along with nano tech are being used to reflect back the UVC rays that have made it through the weakened magnetosphere and ozone is BAKING everything on the planet..It can cause heart attacks and bakes the brain stems of the little ones..thus the flap on the back to protect it...

From what I've uncovered our ozone is sitting at about 80% depletion..and of course all those heavy metals we are dumping in the atmosphere is contaminating everything..the problem is that they haven't really tested the effects of all these heavy metals and the effects on the ozone..they could do more harm than good..there have been many highly qualified people who are trying to sound the alarm but they are silencing them ..some have even worked for the EPA...don't believe me..DO THE RESEARCH..it's out there..

So you see just from the few things that I have addressed here there are many things that your government won't tell you..either for fear of causing panic or fear that people would stop working..and when the machine breaks down ..we break down..DO THE RESEARCH..everyone..I can only point you in the direction you need to look at..the rest is up to YOU..tc everyone

Edited by tombraider on Sun 09/09/18 02:40 PM

Argo

Sun 09/09/18 02:50 PM

You do realize you're living in the MATRIX

Do any of you realize exactly who Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama really are and what they are about..

HAS anyone told you about the other planetary system that is floating out there within our SOLAR SYSTEM..

are they the *lizard people searching for asparagus to munch on ?

did Carl Sagan and all those other scientists fool us, on purpose ?

gee, i did not know that..*blink blink* ...thanks for the info drinker

tombraider

Sun 09/09/18 03:07 PM

Argo..just simply DO THE RESEARCH..Do you think that all these meteorites that have been hitting the planet are being caused by the Grand Solar Minimum..look it up..on YOUTUBE..NIBIRU ..check it out and make up your own mind..And check out CHEMTRAILS..tc

Edited by tombraider on Sun 09/09/18 03:08 PM

msharmony

Sun 09/09/18 03:24 PM

at this point, do we think anyone might change their mind on what they believe?

It strikes me as so odd, the 'trail' of 'evidence' people tie together as proof of 'corrupt' Hilary, and the same folks just dismiss the same about Trump as his alleged 'fake news'. They spent years trying to bury Hilary and could come up with next to nothing compared to the MOUNTAIN of suspect associations being proven around Trump. Yet, maybe because the history of the american establishment to be determined to bring down rich white men (sarcasm there), the 'fake news' tagline is a legitimate argument to hold current POTUS to a different standard of 'evidence' of 'corruption'.

tombraider

Sun 09/09/18 04:04 PM

While I agree we may be trading one false narrative for another..couldn't agree more..and altho all the media of the past was not much more than what we read in the news papers or books or what we saw on the news as far as information on our government..could the extension of this information lying in the internet as well be controlled by the same nefarious groups of old..could be..We may have just done nothing more than expanded on the MATRIX and the strings never cut..thinking that the internet has provided us a window into the truth.Perhaps we are just creatures of habit unable to remain neutral ..freakin' mind control..TRUTH is we may all die one day never knowing the truth..It's really a shame ..and well pretty stupid..but then that's LIFE.. smile2

TinyBlackTerrorLove

Sun 09/09/18 04:43 PM

It might be the Jewish reptilian Illuminati members.

surprised

Edited by TinyBlackTerrorLove on Sun 09/09/18 04:44 PM

tombraider

Sun 09/09/18 05:12 PM

...DO THE RESEARCH...

Workin4it

Sun 09/09/18 05:45 PM

was this another Al Gore or Micheal Moore documentary ? If it's on film for everyone to see and still no charges, and with such incriminating evidence as " partially explain" some dealings. Guess what ? Trump wasn't president in 1984 and since when is it illegal to sell real estate to a Russian crook. Keep digging cause you still haven't found anything that incriminates him. Being successful and sly while making a boatload of money is not a crime

Datwasntme

Sun 09/09/18 06:49 PM

...DO THE RESEARCH...

no worries , all you can do is try
it's up to them
i have helped a lot of people that would point fingers and call me names etc etc etc
some would find out later , come back and say sorry
<shrug>
all you can do is try , some are not ready to hear the truth , some would trip out , some would melt down etc etc etc

the part i find really funny is they have not or will not do research in to it , much easier to point and laugh and make stuff up ...
like asking me if ghosts pee ....

sadly ya cant help everyone

Argo

Sun 09/09/18 07:50 PM

Argo..just simply DO THE RESEARCH on YOUTUBE.

there are more flakes on youtube than you could find
in all of the Kelloggs cereal factories combined...

i'll pass, but by all means carry on with your quest for truth..

Datwasntme

Sun 09/09/18 08:40 PM

Argo..just simply DO THE RESEARCH on YOUTUBE.

there are more flakes on youtube than you could find
in all of the Kelloggs cereal factories combined...

i'll pass, but by all means carry on with your quest for truth..

well , sure you could stop your search there , or ya could dig deeper
and yes i agree , there are all types of people on youtube
but again it's easier to point and laugh, then doing the research
<shrug>

to a color blind person , there are no colors but white , black , and grey ..... so to them that is the truth .... so that must be the truth
<scratches head>

mightymoe

Sun 09/09/18 11:13 PM

I don't remember Trump lying to everyone for the last 10 years...once bitten, twice shy...

mightymoe

Sun 09/09/18 11:17 PM

Argo..just simply DO THE RESEARCH on YOUTUBE.

there are more flakes on youtube than you could find
in all of the Kelloggs cereal factories combined...

i'll pass, but by all means carry on with your quest for truth..

that's not what color blind means...people with color blindness see all the colors, we just see them differently then the majority of people...I'm red green black color blind, but my red greens and blacks are slightly different...