Topic: The universe formed random
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artist38

Wed 12/05/18 03:46 AM

In my view the universe formed randomly and that makes that there is no source that could give directions how to live life. That is also the opposite of what someone could be looking for, making the ground under you go away, that it was all in your head. It is my view and there are other views where the universe is made by a God and that God gives directions.

Maybe not directly to be answered, could need some time to understand another's view.



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greeneyes148

Sun 12/09/18 03:27 PM

Pretty deep stuff... and that stare... pretty kooky
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Dodo_David

Sun 12/09/18 05:18 PM

huh First, define random.
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Tom4Uhere

Sun 12/09/18 10:53 PM


In my view the universe formed randomly and that makes that there is no source that could give directions how to live life. That is also the opposite of what someone could be looking for, making the ground under you go away, that it was all in your head. It is my view and there are other views where the universe is made by a God and that God gives directions.

Maybe not directly to be answered, could need some time to understand another's view.

Um, I don't try to understand the Universe so I can live life.
I'm not a cosmologist.
I find it interesting and entertaining.
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artist38

Sun 12/16/18 11:13 AM

define random?

The big bang happened 14.5 billion years ago. There was no instruction that the Earth in this solar system should form.
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Narlycarnk

Sun 12/16/18 01:59 PM

Interesting whoa

What makes language any less random than the chronology of the universe?
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Tom4Uhere

Sun 12/16/18 10:54 PM


define random?

The big bang happened 14.5 billion years ago. There was no instruction that the Earth in this solar system should form.

Ummm, the going concensus is the "Big Bang" happend 13.7 billion years ago but whats a billion years?
.7 billion years is 700 million years
Humans have been around for about 2 million years.
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Tom4Uhere

Sun 12/16/18 10:59 PM


Interesting whoa

What makes language any less random than the chronology of the universe?

Actually, in the scope of things, human language is pretty unique.
The complexities far exceed other life form languages and since we only have Earth languages as a basis, its finite as well.

If you think about human language and what had to happen for it to reach its present state in under 2 million years, its amazing.

Imagine a language that has developed for 500 million or a billion years.
Think of human communication in 500 million years.
We have only just scratched the surface.
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Daisy

Mon 12/24/18 06:02 AM

what I think this The Universe we define and know currently is actually current status of universe.what people believed in past.. term universe and way they understood was status at that time..that still not define they were idiots and we are smart one.i feel its on going evolution for every single species living or non living.
in brief history of time,what we understood or know is not the knowledge.random ness is simple C,H ,O and N make cell and that cell evolve into human asking question who am I? or try to understand nature of C,H ,O and N where we originally came from is not the stroke of chance.their is clever intelligent mind behind to who some call it a GOD some called it conciousness, some called it Nature.
Term Nature: when everything is natural it take care of itself total system has same and equal energy from beginning to end.
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The Wrong Alice

Mon 12/24/18 02:38 PM

Lick another toad Homer
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Bob

Mon 12/24/18 11:15 PM

Ok I do believe in the big bang but where did the elements come from? Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, Carbon etc. And according to the big bang the Universe is constantly expanding & contracting but if the Universe is everything...then what is it expanding into??? Were all the elements around or ever? or did God get a chemistry set for Christmas and we're his Ant Farm?
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 12/25/18 12:52 AM

I just watched (today) a bunch of Neil deGrasse Tyson's video lectures and he effectively answers your questions.
Just do a youtube search on keywords 'Neil deGrasse Tyson' and watch some of the lectures he gives and he touches on each subject y'all mention.

There are certain things about the Universe that you must take into consideration.

If you take the first five atomic structures (minus helium because it is inert) you will find that all life as we know it (life from earth) possess all five elements (structures) found in abundance on Earth and in us.
So in the most basic sense, we are the Universe and the Universe is us.
The Universe is
hydrogen.
helium (inert, non-reactive).
oxygen.
carbon.
plus "other".
The Basic Human is
hydrogen.
oxygen.
carbon.
Everything that you are was made in stars.

If you consider that atoms are created in the vacuum energy of space. You might consider that the action of creation occurs resulting in anti-atoms and atoms and that process generally makes hydrogen.
So, the most abundant signature of the Universe is hydrogen.
Stars make helium. Helium is the second most abundant signature in the Universe. Helium binds with basically anything.
It is made in out own star, the Sun.
It requires no constituents to exist.
Oxygen requires a stellar explosion to exist.
Carbon requires a stellar explosion to exist.
We are "star stuff"

Being part of the Universe is often difficult for someone to grasp.
Most feel the Universe is something separate but never part of us.
When you accept the 'stuff' that makes you is dependent on the death of stars it allows you to realize that we are not really separate at all.
Its our own beliefs and routines that cause us to feel separate from each other.
We most certainly are all connected but at a more fundamental level that we can accept.
It makes all the wars and strife we experience a delusion.
Would you go to war with yourself?

The Big Bang is merely a level of our own understanding that seems to 'work' by scientific method.
We have a lot of data that supports the Big Bang but personally, I don't buy it.
I have my own version on how the Universe started.
The "Big Bang" is merely a result of something much more significant.
An after effect.

According to our observations, the Universe is expanding.
Reason dictates the expansion is originating from a specific location but according to the data, space is expanding within itself.
All space is expanding. From Messier 87 to the atoms in our own bodies.
The very fabric of space is expanding and that expansion is governed by the reaction of vacuum energy to create matter.
When matter is created, it has an antimatter/matter relationship.
The antimatter destroys the matter but some of that matter is not destroyed.
As it collects, it expands space.

So the atoms that do not contact the anti-atoms get added to the bulk of space, expanding it.
Much like the percolation of water.

Space is a bubbling substrate of atoms and anti-atoms that release energy when the annihilate one another plus, a substrate of atoms that avoid annihilation be anti-atoms.
The atoms created, expand space but the reaction of anti-atoms and atoms annihilating each other also expands space.
Those atoms, left to their own device create dust particles that grow into stellar discs.
When that condensation of atoms reach a certain point of density, they become a star.

Those stars react in such a way that new combinations of atoms are created and you have am explosion when the star goes super-nova.
That super nova then releases those higher level atoms and elements back into the Universe.
Eventually creating all the elements needed to create us.
We are 'Star Stuff".

Since we share the baseline elements the Universe created we are the Universe and the Universe is us.
We are not separate.
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 12/25/18 01:00 AM


what I think this The Universe we define and know currently is actually current status of universe.what people believed in past.. term universe and way they understood was status at that time..that still not define they were idiots and we are smart one.i feel its on going evolution for every single species living or non living.
in brief history of time,what we understood or know is not the knowledge.random ness is simple C,H ,O and N make cell and that cell evolve into human asking question who am I? or try to understand nature of C,H ,O and N where we originally came from is not the stroke of chance.their is clever intelligent mind behind to who some call it a GOD some called it conciousness, some called it Nature.
Term Nature: when everything is natural it take care of itself total system has same and equal energy from beginning to end.

Reality doesn't care. the Universe doesn't care.
The Universe is always going to be the Universe.
The Universe exists whether we contemplate it or not.
The Universe doesn't stop being the Universe according to our own delusions.
IOt doesn't act according to our plan, it has its own.
When we try to understand the Universe, we place values where no values are needed.
We set ourselves up for failure and try to make the Universe perform to our expectations.
We impose our delusions on the Universe but it doesn't play ball.
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Bob

Tue 12/25/18 01:10 AM

I've heard where the universe/big bang is like a rubber band constantly expanding & contracting. After a big bang reaches it's limit, it basically looses power and collapses back in on itself till everything is so concentrated in one swall area, another big bang occurs. Which throws the lightest items(lightest atoms) the furthest & the denser ones not so far. A solar system example being that the inner planets like earth have iron cores while the gas giants are hydrogen & helium. My question(causing a brain cramp)is where did the original elements of the very first big bang come from and it the big bang is thowing out all the galaxies, suns, planets, what-have-you forming the Universe. Then what is it expanding out into? If there's "space" in which the Universe can expand then the Universe isn't everything. And if there is an area to expand into, is there anything in it? Sorry my brain hurts, I'm going to bed. Night all...Merry Christmas.
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 12/25/18 01:49 AM


I've heard where the universe/big bang is like a rubber band constantly expanding & contracting. After a big bang reaches it's limit, it basically looses power and collapses back in on itself till everything is so concentrated in one swall area, another big bang occurs. Which throws the lightest items(lightest atoms) the furthest & the denser ones not so far. A solar system example being that the inner planets like earth have iron cores while the gas giants are hydrogen & helium. My question(causing a brain cramp)is where did the original elements of the very first big bang come from and it the big bang is thowing out all the galaxies, suns, planets, what-have-you forming the Universe. Then what is it expanding out into? If there's "space" in which the Universe can expand then the Universe isn't everything. And if there is an area to expand into, is there anything in it? Sorry my brain hurts, I'm going to bed. Night all...Merry Christmas.

I believe you are just hung up on the terms of acceptance of the scientific community.
The expansion/contraction of this Universe is merely an idea and not actual science.

Its a combination of two separate understandings and while one or the other makes sense, both in repetition does not.
I am an absolute zero thinker.
In the Universe I can contemplate it eventually condenses into a static state. This is dependent on the cosmological decades that are ten-fold from our present condition.
For me, the Universe will freeze solid, eventually.
As to what happens after the "great freeze' is anybody's guess.

The "Big Bang" was initiated by something. You could call it intelligent design or you might think of it as a sudden change of state, something thawed and started moving again.
That movement ripples thru the atoms frozen and a great thaw starts.
However, being that everything in the Universe is frozen solid, that state change then explodes in a reaction that changes everything as it propagates.

The 'frozen' prior Universe is converted to energy and that energy is released allowing a next "Big Bang" to occur and then we have a repeat of the formation of the prior Universe.
The "key' is the change of state.
Since there is no way we can measure the Universe before it exists we don't understand what might cause the change of state that initiates a 'Big Bang'.

The 'Big bang' is a result of the initial change of state but not the reason for the state change.

Then we need to figure out what mechanism caused the initial state change from an Absolute Zero (AZ) condition.
At true absolute Zero, there is a cessation of ALL movement, even at the quantum level.
AZ is the key condition.
The state change is the resultant factor.
The "Big Bang" is the resultant factor.

If all atomic structures are frozen, literally, frozen, a state change from that condition must come from an outside source or is there a condition within matter that promotes an AZ change of state?
No way to know. We can't measure it because in that Universe condition, we too are frozen at AZ.
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Tom

Fri 01/04/19 05:03 PM


huh First, define random.


Without any forethought.
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Fri 01/04/19 05:13 PM


Ok I do believe in the big bang but where did the elements come from? Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, Carbon etc. And according to the big bang the Universe is constantly expanding & contracting but if the Universe is everything...then what is it expanding into??? Were all the elements around or ever? or did God get a chemistry set for Christmas and we're his Ant Farm?



Only the lighter elements like Hydrogen and Helium came from the big bang. The heavier elements came from the stars that were formed after the big bag. Our own solar system is a by product of an exploding star/stars. That's why scientist refer to humans as star stuff.