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Tom4Uhere

Mon 01/28/19 12:04 AM

The Malthusian Theory of Population is a theory of exponential population growth and arithmetic food supply growth. Thomas Robert Malthus, an English cleric, and scholar published this theory in his 1798 writings, An Essay on the Principle of Population. ... These checks would lead to the Malthusian catastrophe.

The current world population is 7.7 billion as of January 2019 according to the most recent United Nations estimates elaborated by Worldometers.

Medical Definition of Malthusian. : of or relating to Malthus or to his theory that population tends to increase at a faster rate than its means of subsistence and that unless it is checked by moral restraint or by disease, famine, war, or other disaster widespread poverty and degradation inevitably result.

Neo-Malthusianism is the advocacy of population control programs to ensure resources for current and future populations. In Britain the term 'Malthusian' can also refer more specifically to arguments made in favour of preventive birth control, hence organizations such as the Malthusian League.

Definition of overpopulation. : the condition of having a population so dense as to cause environmental deterioration, an impaired quality of life, or a population crash.

Malthus came to prominence for his 1798 essay on population growth. In it, he argued that population multiplies geometrically and food arithmetically; therefore, whenever the food supply increases, population will rapidly grow to eliminate the abundance.

Overpopulation worsens numerous environmental and social factors such as pollution, malnutrition, overcrowded living conditions, and lacking health care which makes poor communities vulnerable to infectious diseases.

Overpopulation occurs when a species' population exceeds the carrying capacity of its ecological niche. It can result from an increase in births (fertility rate), a decline in the mortality rate, an increase in immigration, or an unsustainable biome and depletion of resources.

How does overpopulation transscribe to YOU?

* Jobs are affected. More people means fewer well=paying jobs available at any given time.
* Supply/Demand. More people means demand is high while supply is dependent on the resources available at any given time.
* Culture clash. more people means that more people are forming opinions which affects how things are taken by the masses.

DENIAL:
Most agencies refuse to acknowledge the over-population factor in their studies. This skews the results and doesn't allow for intelligent strategies.
Most people do not 'see' the effect of the population often citing 'other' factors as the cause for problems.

WAKE UP!
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Stu

Mon 01/28/19 08:24 AM

Right on target with this Tom. :thumbsup:
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Tom4Uhere

Mon 01/28/19 05:06 PM

As far as I can figure, the ONLY humane solution to over-population is an exodus from the planet by a signifcant percentage of the population.
The problem with that, and its a BIG problem, is that we don't have the technology or even the science to make that happen.
How could we hope to lift and support 4 BILLION people in space when we can barely man the ISS in low Earth orbit?
Even if we threw tons of money into the problem nothing significant would develop in time to stave off a crisis. There just wouldn't be enough time.

Forget 4 Billion, just think about what would have to happen to lift 1,000 people into space in a safe and sustainable habitat.

Nature effectively culls populations but our science has over-ridden nature's natural ability to maintain our population.
Then we have the morality aspect of human culture that promotes health and reproduction.
We don't die of things like we used to. Our medical science is geared to preserving life at all costs.
Suicide in most cultures is repulsive and natural disasters are dealt with by trying to save as many lives as possible.

Look at the world population clock. More people are being born than die every second.
People are living longer because of better living conditions, better healthcare and improved intelligence.
Most people don't think about the impact all this has on the finite resources available.

We (as a species) are very close to a tipping point.
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Tom4Uhere

Mon 01/28/19 05:20 PM

Think about Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War.
Apply that reasoning to any current condition right now on Earth.
Imagine for one moment the conditions if the world population were halved.
Now, look at the problems we face as a civilization.
I don't have a solution, aside from an exodus from the planet, there is no reasonable fix.
Just because there is no reasonable fix doesn't mean there is no problem.
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Tom4Uhere

Wed 01/30/19 11:19 PM

The sad reality is that no humane measures are going to work for a meaningful solution in the amount of time before an untennable condition exists.
Even if every single couple on Earth were to limit their offspring to 1 child that is, right now, an additional 3.7 BILLION people added every generation.
At 7.8 Billion people, add another 3.7 Billion people every say 15 years, we surpass 10 billion in 15 years.
Thing is, not every single couple limits their offspring to one child so it compounds from that.
At 7.8 Billion right now. we are already in a pattern of extreme population potential.
The 'time' for doing something 'humane' has already passed.
We are already in the 'exteme' situation.

World Population Clock: 7.7 Billion People (2019) - Worldometers
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Take a moment and actually look at those statistics.
Births are 3 times the number of deaths. Not double, THREE TIMES.
We are populating three times faster than dying.
Where does that get good?

Some will say that a pandemic will equalize us but at the most, its only going to slow us down and insignificantly.
Imagine if 200 million people died right now.
TWO HUNDRED MILLION
What natural disaster kills 200 million people in one fell swoop?
Even 200 million is nothing compared to 7.7 billion.

No, we are on a diminishing return.
This year, an exodus of 3.8 billion would help but 10 years from now, about the time your school children reach breeding age, that 3.8 billion will be 5 or 6 billion.
I wish I had stocks that were so sure at that accumulation.

There is no fix, we are past our expiration and we have no clue about it because NOBODY wants to look at it with any sense.





This is an example of screen capture, save, convert to jpeg, save, upload to pinterest and copy then paste here.

The big number represents the current world population change during that time.
It INCLUDES the number of births AND the number of deaths in that given time.

Here, let me put this in perspective:
Open a beer, light a smoke, watch a tv show. whatever, Listen to one song...
Note the population at the start then note the population at the finish.
Tell me that is not significant!

In the time it took me to quickly smoke a cigarette 1,000 people were increased on this planet.
Holy mackeral Andy!
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Wed 01/30/19 11:21 PM
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Unknow

Wed 10/21/20 04:23 PM


The Malthusian Theory of Population is a theory of exponential population growth and arithmetic food supply growth. Thomas Robert Malthus, an English cleric, and scholar published this theory in his 1798 writings, An Essay on the Principle of Population. ... These checks would lead to the Malthusian catastrophe.

The current world population is 7.7 billion as of January 2019 according to the most recent United Nations estimates elaborated by Worldometers.

Medical Definition of Malthusian. : of or relating to Malthus or to his theory that population tends to increase at a faster rate than its means of subsistence and that unless it is checked by moral restraint or by disease, famine, war, or other disaster widespread poverty and degradation inevitably result.

Neo-Malthusianism is the advocacy of population control programs to ensure resources for current and future populations. In Britain the term 'Malthusian' can also refer more specifically to arguments made in favour of preventive birth control, hence organizations such as the Malthusian League.

Definition of overpopulation. : the condition of having a population so dense as to cause environmental deterioration, an impaired quality of life, or a population crash.

Malthus came to prominence for his 1798 essay on population growth. In it, he argued that population multiplies geometrically and food arithmetically; therefore, whenever the food supply increases, population will rapidly grow to eliminate the abundance.

Overpopulation worsens numerous environmental and social factors such as pollution, malnutrition, overcrowded living conditions, and lacking health care which makes poor communities vulnerable to infectious diseases.

Overpopulation occurs when a species' population exceeds the carrying capacity of its ecological niche. It can result from an increase in births (fertility rate), a decline in the mortality rate, an increase in immigration, or an unsustainable biome and depletion of resources.

How does overpopulation transscribe to YOU?

* Jobs are affected. More people means fewer well=paying jobs available at any given time.
* Supply/Demand. More people means demand is high while supply is dependent on the resources available at any given time.
* Culture clash. more people means that more people are forming opinions which affects how things are taken by the masses.

DENIAL:
Most agencies refuse to acknowledge the over-population factor in their studies. This skews the results and doesn't allow for intelligent strategies.
Most people do not 'see' the effect of the population often citing 'other' factors as the cause for problems.

WAKE UP!



Hi Tom,

I see that you have an very impressing interest and a lot of knowledge and you share it with another people.
It is so nice. Thank you.
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Unknow

Fri 11/20/20 03:30 PM

Hi Tom. Thinking on this, I have come to the conclusion we may become cannabils. It successfully solves both the population growth and the the lack of food.
This idea could make a good novel, but not a very moral practice.
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Unknow

Fri 11/20/20 04:42 PM

It did make a good novel called "Make Room! Make Room!" -and a movie loosely based on it called "Soylent Green"
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Unknow

Fri 11/20/20 07:22 PM

As some consider it sci-fi....

It is interesting to note that the bible includes a solution to this problem (though most don't realize it).

Humans live up to about 120 years individually...

Then they are all (some first, most later) made immortal and given bodies not bound to Earth.

Then we move out into "the heavens" which were "formed... to be inhabited"

Humans who remain after the greatest time of trouble continue to reproduce on Earth -and to be made immortal.

"and of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end"
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Unknow

Sat 11/21/20 04:34 AM

DoofusMaximus. I am not that intelligent. I am lost. Please put that in layman's terms :smile:
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Unknow

Sat 11/21/20 10:24 AM


DoofusMaximus. I am not that intelligent. I am lost. Please put that in layman's terms :smile:


Basically... overpopulation will not continue to be a problem.
The greatest obstacle to inhabiting other planets is that our body is of the earth -dependent upon it -and not suited for off-earth existence... so we will be given one which will allow for not only invulnerability and immortality, but extreme creative power.
Phil 3:21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

What is actually written in the bible is different than many believe.
Rather than everyone 'going to heaven', it describes in detail how we will literally inherit "the heavens" (space/universe) which it says were "formed to be inhabited" -after initially inheriting the much-improved Earth.

Unfortunately, most of the Earth's population will be decimated by essentially a third world war -but it will be a short war. It will be ended by the returning Christ who will "destroy those who destroy the Earth". The forces gathered to Megiddo to war with each other which still remain will turn to fight him. They will be destroyed by him (though resurrected later) and he will begin his reign on Earth.

The "first fruits" will be made immortal at his return and reign with him on Earth for the first thousand years as humans repopulate in a very different and improved world.

After the thousand years and one more attempt at war which is put down, "the rest of the dead" are resurrected and made immortal or further purified then "saved, yet so as by fire.

We then go out into the universe to create as immortals with powerful much-improved bodies as humans continue to be born and eventually made immortal.

Whether one believes it or not, the fact that what is contained in the bible foresees and gives a solution for man's problems is remarkable. The problem of "human nature" is also addressed -which will allow us to go out into the universe without making a mess of it.
Edited by Unknow on Sat 11/21/20 10:34 AM
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Unknow

Sun 11/22/20 01:42 AM

Thanks, something like that is my hope. I hear varying Christian ideas on the Apocalypse and whether we will be 'raptured' or back here after heaven when Jesus rules for the 1000 years everyone has different beliefs.
I want to have a glorified earthly body one day. Because I would like to have more children.
I guess we will find out soon enough, but whatever happens, as long as I am with Jesus, I will be satisfied :thumbsup::smile:
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Tom4Uhere

Mon 11/23/20 09:56 AM

Over-population is an actual measure of the reality in-which we exist.
The discussion is not about spiritual or religious beliefs.
It is about cause and effect.

More people right now are being born than those dying.
It is an out of balance equation.
It is not a temporary condition.
The imbalance is increasing, not decreasing with time.
Unless something is done (while we can still have an effect) this imbalance will continue to get more severe as time progresses.

When a species reaches a tipping point nature culls the population to keep it in check.
The human species have developed the science and technology to stifle nature's culling.
Things which used to kill us are now preventable. Medical technology has allowed people who would have died to lead full lives. Natural disaster prediction and response allows us to get out of harm's way and recover quickly.
We convert hostile environments to support our social imperatives. Worldwide communication and travel allows us to populate distant shores. We are converting the Earth to our personal playground.

Humans have no built in sense of environment. We use and discard then as an after-thought, try to clean up the mess. Our existence is built around consumption.
So far, it hasn't been a severe problem but as our global population increases it will become more and more of a problem.

Over-population affects other things specific to the human way of life as well.
Unemployment
Service based industry
Waste and sewage treatment
Lumber industry
Plastics and recycling
Medical care
Disease control
Pandemic spread
Inflation
Property values

The list goes on and on.

The effects of over-population are evident everywhere you look in this modern world yet we tend to ignore it, hoping it will go away on its own. History tells us it won't. History shows us its getting worse.

The fact there is no established solution yet reveals how out of control this really is right now. Imagine 10 years, 20 years from now. What world will our children and grandchildren face if our population trends are not curtailed?

Here's the current counts
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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Unknow

Tue 11/24/20 02:33 AM


Over-population is an actual measure of the reality in-which we exist.
The discussion is not about spiritual or religious beliefs.
It is about cause and effect.

More people right now are being born than those dying.
It is an out of balance equation.
It is not a temporary condition.
The imbalance is increasing, not decreasing with time.
Unless something is done (while we can still have an effect) this imbalance will continue to get more severe as time progresses.

When a species reaches a tipping point nature culls the population to keep it in check.
The human species have developed the science and technology to stifle nature's culling.
Things which used to kill us are now preventable. Medical technology has allowed people who would have died to lead full lives. Natural disaster prediction and response allows us to get out of harm's way and recover quickly.
We convert hostile environments to support our social imperatives. Worldwide communication and travel allows us to populate distant shores. We are converting the Earth to our personal playground.

Humans have no built in sense of environment. We use and discard then as an after-thought, try to clean up the mess. Our existence is built around consumption.
So far, it hasn't been a severe problem but as our global population increases it will become more and more of a problem.

Over-population affects other things specific to the human way of life as well.
Unemployment
Service based industry
Waste and sewage treatment
Lumber industry
Plastics and recycling
Medical care
Disease control
Pandemic spread
Inflation
Property values

The list goes on and on.

The effects of over-population are evident everywhere you look in this modern world yet we tend to ignore it, hoping it will go away on its own. History tells us it won't. History shows us its getting worse.

The fact there is no established solution yet reveals how out of control this really is right now. Imagine 10 years, 20 years from now. What world will our children and grandchildren face if our population trends are not curtailed?

Here's the current counts
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/


Tom, this is a global concern. Whether you accept it or not, the majority of mankind is spiritual/religious. That WILL factor into future decisions of what mankind chooses.
I respect that you have no spiritual/religious beliefs, yet you need to consider what the majority of mankind's beliefs will add to this. And that is reality.
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 11/24/20 09:33 AM

I wasn't dismissing religion from the discussion, just trying to keep the focus away from a scripture based banter.
I am very aware how much religion plays a part in world affairs.

We (humans) are doing a little too good of a job being fruitful and multiplying. Spock's (Star Trek) "Live Long & Prosper" philosophy only applies if the population has off-planet settlements.

We exist in a closed system. Finite space, finite resources and right now, no means to expand to another world.

We could populate the poles, deserts, oceans and mountain ranges but we do not yet possess the knowledge or technology to make it a reality which affects the species. Even science has dropped the ball.

Our focus seems to be on the immediate and gaining wealth or fame.
Money and religion hamper mega-scale innovation.

Many religious beliefs support a rapture type saving of a chosen few.
Many religious beliefs convince people they will be reborn into a better world.
These types of beliefs cause people to not be concerned with over-population trends because their belief will save them in the end. This causes focus to be misplaced.
Its like waiting for that check in the mail. You know its coming but don't know when. So sure its coming you continue spending based on an unfulfilled promise. Wise people make changes in their habits, just in case it doesn't come or comes very late.

We should be, right now, building cities at the poles, in the deserts and under the oceans. Cities which house thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people.
We should be, right now, building orbital habitats able to house thousands of people. Building ships which are able to transport large groups of people and support to those orbital stations.

One mega-scale construct planned but stifled is the Freedom Ship. I remember reading about the Freedom Ship back in the 90s.



Freedom Ship was a floating city project initially proposed in the late 1990s. It was so named because of the "free" international lifestyle facilitated by a mobile ocean colony, though the project would not be a conventional ship, but rather a series of linked barges.
Height: 350′
Architect: Freedom Cruise Line International
Floor count: 25
Number of rooms: 50,000 living units, 3,000 commercial units, 2,400 time-share units and 10,000 hotel units)
http://freedomship.com/overview/

The Freedom Ship is still in the planning stage 30 years later.



Our current timber consumption is staggering. That pic is just one timber yard of thousands. Imagine our consumption 20 years from now. Many people alive right now will be alive in 20 years. In 100 years, many people alive right now will have children alive having children of their own.
While clearing forests makes room for cities it also affects our air and our habitat.
Given our current society trends, we will pave the planet long before over-population becomes a common concern.

Ask any high school or college kid about world population and they will pause, think a lil and say 'Yeah, its pretty bad" then go back to what they were doing.
Just do a little experiment.
Without and prompt or prep. Ask random people what they think about over-population.
I've done it and the results are staggering.
Most people know its a problem but don't want to think about it.
There are a few who are fairly well versed but they are few and far between.

This is because over-population is not a media choice of display. Unless their agenda warrants it. Even then, people won't tune in because they would rather focus on the immediate and getting more wealth or power.

Birth control is more for personal need than species population control.
There's very little motivation in someones decisions based on species preservation.

Over-population will continue to be a problem which gets worse until people shift from 'person' to 'species' in their thinking and planning.
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Unknow

Tue 11/24/20 06:16 PM


I wasn't dismissing religion from the discussion, just trying to keep the focus away from a scripture based banter.
I am very aware how much religion plays a part in world affairs.

We (humans) are doing a little too good of a job being fruitful and multiplying. Spock's (Star Trek) "Live Long & Prosper" philosophy only applies if the population has off-planet settlements.

We exist in a closed system. Finite space, finite resources and right now, no means to expand to another world.

We could populate the poles, deserts, oceans and mountain ranges but we do not yet possess the knowledge or technology to make it a reality which affects the species. Even science has dropped the ball.

Our focus seems to be on the immediate and gaining wealth or fame.
Money and religion hamper mega-scale innovation.

Many religious beliefs support a rapture type saving of a chosen few.
Many religious beliefs convince people they will be reborn into a better world.
These types of beliefs cause people to not be concerned with over-population trends because their belief will save them in the end. This causes focus to be misplaced.
Its like waiting for that check in the mail. You know its coming but don't know when. So sure its coming you continue spending based on an unfulfilled promise. Wise people make changes in their habits, just in case it doesn't come or comes very late.

We should be, right now, building cities at the poles, in the deserts and under the oceans. Cities which house thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people.
We should be, right now, building orbital habitats able to house thousands of people. Building ships which are able to transport large groups of people and support to those orbital stations.

One mega-scale construct planned but stifled is the Freedom Ship. I remember reading about the Freedom Ship back in the 90s.



Freedom Ship was a floating city project initially proposed in the late 1990s. It was so named because of the "free" international lifestyle facilitated by a mobile ocean colony, though the project would not be a conventional ship, but rather a series of linked barges.
Height: 350′
Architect: Freedom Cruise Line International
Floor count: 25
Number of rooms: 50,000 living units, 3,000 commercial units, 2,400 time-share units and 10,000 hotel units)
http://freedomship.com/overview/

The Freedom Ship is still in the planning stage 30 years later.



Our current timber consumption is staggering. That pic is just one timber yard of thousands. Imagine our consumption 20 years from now. Many people alive right now will be alive in 20 years. In 100 years, many people alive right now will have children alive having children of their own.
While clearing forests makes room for cities it also affects our air and our habitat.
Given our current society trends, we will pave the planet long before over-population becomes a common concern.

Ask any high school or college kid about world population and they will pause, think a lil and say 'Yeah, its pretty bad" then go back to what they were doing.
Just do a little experiment.
Without and prompt or prep. Ask random people what they think about over-population.
I've done it and the results are staggering.
Most people know its a problem but don't want to think about it.
There are a few who are fairly well versed but they are few and far between.

This is because over-population is not a media choice of display. Unless their agenda warrants it. Even then, people won't tune in because they would rather focus on the immediate and getting more wealth or power.

Birth control is more for personal need than species population control.
There's very little motivation in someones decisions based on species preservation.

Over-population will continue to be a problem which gets worse until people shift from 'person' to 'species' in their thinking and planning.


We all ought to be caretakers of the earth and we all need to get a reality check about where we are at now. It is a a great topic, yet I still think the diverse governments and lack of unity is a hindrance to any solution. Perhaps each nation will figure out what is best for themselves only and eventually close borders to continue to survive with only their own resources?

Edited by Unknow on Tue 11/24/20 06:18 PM
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Unknow

Tue 11/24/20 07:39 PM


Thanks, something like that is my hope. I hear varying Christian ideas on the Apocalypse and whether we will be 'raptured' or back here after heaven when Jesus rules for the 1000 years everyone has different beliefs.
I want to have a glorified earthly body one day. Because I would like to have more children.
I guess we will find out soon enough, but whatever happens, as long as I am with Jesus, I will be satisfied :thumbsup::smile:


I have thought about that. Earth life is quite nice under the right circumstances. Who knows?

Reading the bible and really thinking about it helps -referencing all possible scriptures. It is amazing what we can overlook due to preconceptions. We can read "the meek shall inherit the Earth" a thousand times while believing it says something else.

Edited by Unknow on Tue 11/24/20 07:43 PM
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 11/24/20 08:51 PM

Its not really about nations.
Its not really about what is trendy.
What it is about, wholeheartedly, is the fact more people are living longer than people dying.
The balance is offset.

The out of balance condition is not a trend or a national policy.
Its a human condition to value life (not something normally rejected).
We strive to exist, a matter of thriving.
Its our nature to suppress natural cullings.
Its our nature to save lives and to take extraordinary steps to do so.
I understand this nature of life reverence.
But... it is setting us on a Path to which there is no optimistic future.
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Tue 11/24/20 08:53 PM