SparklingCrystal, the Scots will be just fine. They have their highlands to go to when global warming causes the sea levels to rise and flood England.

I'm a little confused on this Brexit thing.
1. I understand the population voted several years ago to leave the EU.
2. Prime Minister May worked with the EU to create an exit plan for the future.
3. Your politicians voted 3 times not to accept that negotiated plan.
4. They now refuse to leave the EU without a negotiated plan.
5. They have failed to create a plan for Brexit and submit it to the EU.

Obviously they want something they don't have yet have no idea what they actually want and can support. Seems to me there is no solution to that dilemma!! Perhaps an election and a wholesale replacement of many politicians is the only possible answer!

Yes but how would you know about global warming? you've been instructed it's a plot by the Chinese

Your right old kid.
And all this time labour (the lefty communist opposition ) have wanted a general election and now they've been offered it they don't want it

I've always felt, the EU was a mistake.

Back in the '70s, I voted to join the EEC (European Economic Community). It was a plan to help European businesses trade with each other. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Since then the anonymous people in Brussels have been planning 'Ever Closer Union' and 'free movement' across the countries in Europe. We now have a European court, which was never part of the original plan. The EU wants to continue this policy of Ever Closer Union until we have the United States of Europe, very similar to the United States of America, which has very little difference between the States, one US army and navy and no borders between the states (free movement).

That is most definitely NOT what I voted for in the 1970s and the main reason why when I was given the chance to vote again I voted No, that is not what I voted for in the '70s. I'm not against immigration, but I like the Australian system. It's not based on quotas as that could keep the best people out. Better to have a system where you need to have a good reason to live here. If we leave the EU we can make our own rules.

The last thing I want is to be told continually that "we can't do that, there's an EU law against it". We should not be subject to laws made outside our own country for us to obey!

It looks like we will be forced to ask for another extension - yet again! People seem to forget that last time we did that the EU said, "This is your last extension - there will be no more!" If Boris asks fo another one, May might as well have not resigned. Boris was chosen in preference to Hunt, who promised to request a further extension if he was elected as PM.

Of course the EU might say, "No you can't have another extension, we have already told you that". Then Boris can return without breaking any laws and wait for the default position to arrive and then we're out. One can only hope.

In the dreamy ideal world it's like all lovey but many ex eastern block countries have joined, they are a lot poorer and obviously supply cheaper labour thus taking jobs from us. It's definitely run by the germans and France and they are really struggling now with immigrants they've let in. The rule of the EU is that immigrants seeking asylum should be helped by the country they land in. Ie. Italy.
But they just let them in without process freely travelling ultimately to France and the English channel where they gather freely waiting to cross the the UK. None get arrested by the French! They had a camp called 'the jungle ' it consists of men and no women.

And by eastern block I'm not referring to the likes of Poland, Hungary and a couple of others.
It's places like Romania. And the immigrants are coming from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran.

When I said that I was happy to join the EEC in the '70s I forgot to add that there were only six countries at that time and all were economically similar to the UK. Since then, as you say, many poorer countries have joined the EU and naturally their workforce would love to earn 'vast' sums of money to do work they could do at home for far less. Yet another reason why I voted to leave - the nature of Europe has changed and we no longer need to be part of it (IMHO).

English people reading this should visit a pub in the Wetherspoons group. Their owner Tim is an ardent leaver and publishes a magazine he leaves on the tables. It makes for very interesting reading.

I can see the Sun shining from where I am. Duh!

Listen. I've seen the movie the day after tomorrow ' and you all have to go to Mexico

meanwhile, back in the UK........

Boris has been telling schoolkids that we will be leaving the EU on his chosen date "with a deal". On being asked, "What deal?" he said, "We can find one, don't worry".

I can't help wondering how he is going to do that since the EU has said many times there is only one deal and that is the one out parliament has already rejected three times.

Corbyn has jumped on the 'our deal' bandwagon and is promising that he will get a 'Labour deal' which will of course give him future credibility for succeeding where May failed. He's living in dreamland again, making promises he cannot possibly keep. Almost, but not quite, as bad as the Trump!

Lol
If the eu won't budge on a deal with Boris then Corbyn doesn't have a hope in hell!
At least the speaker is going, how left was he! !!

And the reason I saw in an interview the other day for the drop in the pound is that the money markets really feared a labour government!

If it wasn't so funny I'd say that the Russians have been meddling, but, Corbyn is the Russians

Luxembourg leader tried to make a fool out of Boris yesterday by refusing a different location for his speech. The place outside chosen was aray with hecklers and nothing would have been heard so Boris cancelled. to right!

Just shows that if you don't like the European bs game how quickly people turn on you!

Meanwhile in Dunkirk, northern France police are breaking up a refugee camp and moving them. The refugees vow they will be back to try make the crossing to the UK.
Another chit for brains move. The EU is meant to control them and give them asylum but they don't want it, they want to come here!

The refugees are the result of endless conflict in the middle east.
Basically, the west has made the region so unstable people have been fleeing there in there millions.
A thousand have made the crossing of the English channel on rubber boats in the past few months.

Didn't you guys have a vote on Brexit? I mean it's been a while already and you're still not out of Europe??
What's the hold up? Democracy?

Brussels is making an example of the UK to other European countries, saying "That mess you see in the UK? It's nothing compared to what would happen to you if you even think about leaving."

Will Brexit even happen? As the months and years go by, the answer seems less and less positive and even straight out negative if the international bankers and corporate sharks have anything to say about it.

Hey unknown
Yes, we had a vote in 2016 can you believe!
The government agreed the start of a deal but it was constantly voted down by parliament. The left don't want to leave as do some of the present government.
The opposition has called for a General election 50 times, they were offered it a couple of weeks ago and now they don't want it in case they loose
They keep wanting another vote on Brexit saying people didnt know what they were voting for.
Yet they are failing democracy by not honouring the first vote!
There are definitely a few other countries that want out but they'll never be aloud the vote!
You couldn't make it up

Mikey, this whole Brexit debacle is an outrage!
I'm not even from/in UK, don't even have a dog in the fight even if I live an hour from Brussels ( Trump is right, it IS a shithole in all aspects ) and I myself am incensed at the clear and obvious complete disregard for what should've been a clear-cut political process initiated at the grass-root level in a democratic process.

They didn't know what they voted for?!?!? That's the worst cacamimi argument I heard in my entire life!!
Leavers should come back with: Voters who voted to integrate the UK to the EU all those years ago didn't know what they were voting for, and that would be the TRUTH!

Our parents who voted 'Yes' for that monstrosity in Brussels really got conned in the worse way possible.

This is the "New Democracy" handed down by politicians these days:
Vote! Vote ALL YOU WANT! If we don't like the results you'll have to vote again and again and again until the vote suits the Technocrats.

I don't know how those "people" still have the gall to stand in front of a camera and talk about Democracy. I don't know how they sleep at night...maybe they don't sleep and that's why they turn into psychopaths.

The UK is a kingdom, not a democracy.
If it were a democracy, then its head of state and every political leader would be elected.

It's not a good show for one of the leading countries that started democracy!
The EU was in major need of reforms and we went to them at some big get together but they were having none of it so we called there bluff and called the referendum!
Results being leave.
When the EU was started there were 6 counties. now there are 26!
It's basically run by Germany with a little input from France imo. As I said earlier about the refugees, yes it's sad but we can not cope with them here.
Germany is struggling with the far right because they let in around a million I think?
Crime has gone through the roof!
The rest of Europe let them carry on through to northern France unchecked hoping they'll get to the UK.
I'm no expert. I just see things as a guy on the street as they say.

I stand corrected. Thanks Dave. Makes a lot more sense now... England isn't a Democracy, got it... Why the vote though? Why that charade with making people vote?? Doesn't the right to vote points to a democratic process? What's a democratic process doing in a kingdom?

Belgium is kingdom too yet we vote for every single dude and dudette in every single office in the land.
England isn't a kingdom like Belgium?
What defines a kingdom? Its borders? Its king? Its serfs? Its laws?

All those fancy words to make people believe what doesn't exist

The Queen is head of state but really doesn't get involved. The government is elected and political parties are meant to be democratic by honouring the peoples vote

If the left had there way and the others who are against the crown the queen would be gone!
Yes, Kingdom is land ruled by a king or queen.
They just kind of keep things in check as a last resort.