Beto and Kennedy do have some similarities, both politically involved through their families at young ages, and both being young representatives in the House. That certainly fits the civic engagement and government experience that are important for me in a candidate.

I am eager to hear what his ideas are and what knowledge he has about the constitution and the branches and roles of government.

Here in the Northeast, Joe Kennedy III is a US Rep in MA. He claims good friendship with Beto, they both having been in the same freshman class. But he is also joking that he has already put his support behind Elizabeth Warren for president, and is now "torn" in his support for the two.

Folks sometimes say that it is the "Kennedy charisma power" that got Arnold Schwarzenegger the governorship (his wife is of course, Maria Shriver)... Of course, to me it sounds as scientific as "touch a leprechaun for luck" to believe that the Kennedy clan is any bit the political powerhouse it was half a century ago.

With Beto, as with them all, I am looking to hear what folks have to say, and to see what ideas are discussed. Way too soon to be talking about who is getting my vote (well, I have already stated here in this thread who is NOT getting it.) I know that my alma mater allegiance is supposed to go to Professor Warren, but as there will no doubt be other HU grads who will show up in the race eventually...

The problem the democratic candidates are going to have is their base. A candidate who isn't a left fringe progressive will never get the nomination. A far left fringe candidate will not win the general election. While Trump may not be the best candidate, he will have an easy time campaigning against a socialist democrat.

Even if that is the case, seems to me we will just have to see which fringe candidate gets the most electoral votes this time around. Trump was quite the 'fringe' himself, but on the far right side of things.

I am trying to remember, as i know trump has reversed himself a few times on the Electoral College: is he FOR the Electoral College this week, or against it?

I think Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of ending the Electoral College, so Trump decided he is FOR it again.

I don't know. the electoral college put him in office, so I don't know why he would ever not support it, but then with Trump, I don't know why he does or says most of what he does, and don't think he knows himself at times.

I am rooting for the government to implode in 2020

Hmmm, tough question. So many good choices like infanticide, open borders,stifling free speech, taxes out the wazoo. No thanks, I'll stick with President Trump again.

Trump

I wish he would stay off twitter and shut the F up once in awhile, but he IS making a difference.

I can't with a good conscience vote for a Clinton or Clinton type person.. can't do it.

Tired of giving away the farm... just plan tired of it.

who is proposing any of those things?

infanticide: the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.

An open border is a border that enables free movement of people between jurisdictions with few or no restrictions on movement, that is to say lacking substantive border control. In the USA, we have a whole Department of Homeland Security and Border control overseeing the borders. They are not 'open'. That is like saying your house is open, because someone can break your window to enter.

Free speech is a misnomer. There have always been types regulation on speech itself, like libel and slander. But the right is still there, even when it has consequences for the results.


The US is still one of the lowest taxed countries of the Western World.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate

And of any of those concerns, the ONLY one Trump comes close to impacting AT ALL is the border, which is not OPEN to begin with. And which, regardless of the POTUS, is impacted by Congress and how Congress votes.

Please give us candidates who KNOW THE POSITION they are 'applying for', meaning what can and cant be done, what the responsibilities and authority are, et cetera. The POTUS is NOT a dictatorship.

Give us candidates who understand the underlying document that it is structured by, The Constitution.

Give us candidates with experience in civic duty, whether it be military or government.

Give us candidates who are educated in global governments and have the balance of diplomacy to maintain strong alliances and strength to stand up to those who would do us harm, and the intelligence and speech to do it with respect.

Please give us candidates who show an interest in progress for Americans, across financial, racial, or gender lines, and not just their own specific demographic, like Obama once said, not a President of white america or female america or black america, but the President of the United States of America.



If there were, for me, a 'perfect' candidate, more so than being someone with no skeletons or misjudgments in their lives, and much more so than being a 'republican' or 'democrat', these would be their strengths.

I havnt heard any democrat denounce the idea of abortion up until the time of birth as supported by some democrats , tearing down border walls like hero wants and all of them want more taxes. To me that sounds like democrats would be fine with all the examples I gave.

okay. You should say abortion then. Infanticide is something else. I dont know of any presidential candidates who have proposed 'tearing the borders down'. You do know that open borders would cost thousands of jobs and incomes. Democrats aren't typically the party of robbing people of their jobs. I also have not heard about more taxes. and I am democrat. but honestly, it depends how much the tax is and where it will be spent as to whether others should support it or not. blindly supporting or not supporting because it is 'tax' is not too wise, IMHO.

I am a democrat. I am not fine with anything you suggested in the first post. And two out of three in the second. Like I said, taxes are the revenue that help pay the bills. Being against tax is like being against revenue and being able to pay bills. The amount and the justification for the tax should be a part of an educated discussion of whether to support it or not.

tearing down some wall: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/beto-orourke-trump-border-wall-el-paso/index.html

Most of the democratic candidates have proposed some new type or increase in taxes. Wealth tax; 70% income tax rate. I believe the abortion commebt probably came from the legislation in New York I think.

I do agree we need a significant discussion on revenue and where it should be spent. We waste way too much that will never provide any payback to the country.

Beto wants to tear down the wall . Also The same moron that admitted to dressing in blackface before he denied it has proposed a law that would allow a doctor to perform a birth ,resesitate the infant then make a decision with the mother to chose life or death for that infant, if that's not infanticide than what is.? You can see these reports that aren't about slamming Trump ( Fox news) but instead sheads light on the way the liberal democrats are doing anything for power, no matter how low they go.

read more.

Beto said he would take down a fence constructed in 2008 between el paso texas and Mexico. Context matters.

As to Trumps claim of what the abortion proposal was, I'm glad he is not trying to sell you real estate.

Just think about what sense it would make for an infant who has died, in other words needs resuscitation, to be saved and then killed?

Let alone the violation of hypocratic oath to do such a thing.


No one said there would be a discussion about choosing life or death AFTER a newborn is resuscitated.

the defeated bill actually was regarding the already standing law for determining late term abortion that requires the certification from THREE Doctors that late term is necessary for the life or health of the mother. The defeated proposal was to drop that requirement down to one doctor's certification.

What blackface said is that if a newborn is born in distress, they would be made comfortable and it would be left to the mother, if they pass, to resuscitate them or not.

If you find me a quote where someone said a baby could be resuscitated, just to be executed, I have no problem retracting this information. Good luck.

Im no t sure where to find that quote bu t it was the one you mentioned w/blackface( I can't remember his name) but he did say they could resesitate, make the infant comfortable then discuss w/ what would be done.

yes. that makes more sense. Doctors do discuss care with patients and parents.

you missed the point msh.if the infant is resusitated, than make comfortable, the danger of injury to mother is over, than what is there to discuss?

the treatment for the child.