is there a correlation to border crossings and wages?

If more crossings lowers wages, does less crossings bring them up?

I thought it was interesting enough to review.

lets look at the trends in crossings over the years.

http://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/border-arrests-20180621/child.html

appears as if there was an increase between 2003-2005
followed by a decline from 2005-2011


and then the wages,

http://www.frbatlanta.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker.aspx

seems like wages both went down AND came up between 2003-2005

and also from 2005-2011, they went both up AND Down

and then from 2008-2010, when we had a DROP in wage, we also saw a DROP in crossings


so, it doesn't really seem to be a strong correlation between wages and crossings, but whatever scapegoat works ...

House Judiciary Committee Votes to Subpoena Mueller Report

"The House Judiciary Committee Wednesday approved subpoenas demanding that the Justice Department provide Congress with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s full, final report on the results of his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The Committee voted 24 to 17 in favor of a resolution that authorizes subpoenas for the unredacted version of the special counsel’s report, all accompanying exhibits and attachments, and the evidence Mueller used to write it".

http://www.nationalreview.com/news/house-judiciary-committee-votes-to-subpoena-mueller-report/

Quick Thoughts on Assange Arrest

"Consequently, the driving force of today’s arrest seems to be an American effort to have Assange extradited. The Washington Post is now reporting that, in 2017, the Justice Department charged Assange in a sealed indictment with conspiring to publish classified U.S. documents — specifically, conspiring in 2010 with then-Bradley Manning, a U.S. Army intelligence analyst, among others".

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/julian-assange-arrest-quick-thoughts/

First of all Ms.H we know my stance on illegals by now..I don't need a "scapegoat" as you put it..My stance has always been ..if you come here illegaly..get out..truth is I wouldn't let you in in the first place..why should one get to go to the front of the line of those who are coming in legally..they shouldn't..

Now in this article it will explain why the illegals keep wages down..I don't agree with the second half of the title I have already expressed my feelings on that..but this is by Forbes..and it's not on youtube..you will be happy to see that I'm sure

Illegal Immigrants Depress wages,So make them legal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/03/24/illegal-immigrants-depress-wages-so-make-them-legal-immigrants/#1cebe5583fea

My problem with illegal immigrants is just that..they are illegal..I don't agree with it simply because we don't vet them..and have no idea who they are..not to mention they don't have the right to jump line..and are released into the country before we know who they are..and when they are asked to come back and go to court they don't show up..disrespecting our laws.

My problem is not with illegal immigrants, running away from a slave master was 'illegal' too. Legality alone is not what bothers me, unless the laws are for safety or make sense.

As someone who has been through immigration , I PERSONALLY know how much it is dependent upon financial status or connections. That means that alot of people truly in need, and not because they wont work or are lazy or dangerous, will not be accepted 'legally'. The process can also take so many years, that even those who may otherwise have been legal, but are in urgent situations, cannot afford the weight.

There are MANY Reasons the 'legal' path, is not so simple or attainable for many who are just as deserving as those for which it is.

So, if a law says I am someone's property, Im gonna disrespect it. If a law says people can drink themself silly but I cant be caught with weed, I can see it being disrespected. If a law says two people can have sex and one is committing a crime just because they are more than five years older than the other, one might disrespect that law. If a law says you can come and stay in our country if you dont have need, but are not welcome if you do ... that law may be disrespected too.


life is complex, people are complex, laws are written in simple terms for complex situations. I am concerned with laws, but I am more concerned with the situations.

But thats just me.

I suspect there might be some localized situations where more border crossers for jobs could impact wages in certain industries. I'm thinking of the building trades in areas with high construction wages. Undocumented workers probably work in some of the non-union construction jobs at a lower wage rate than a union member would. Most undocumented workers are probably working in situations where there are more jobs than workers willing to do those jobs so it would not significantly impact wages.

Ideally, we would put a system in place that provides more than enough guest workers while preventing employers from hiring any undocumented workers. As if Congress can even understand such issues let alone find ways to solve the problems.

I believe a Wage should be set for a job and paid on the job and not the status of the worker. My problem with lower wages would be with the EMPLOYERS willing to abuse immigrants by setting lower wages to exploit them with, than it would be with the immigrant trying to work to support their family.

Minimum wage should be minimum wage based upon what is fair to the cost of living in the area, IMHO. Employers exploiting immigrants to pay lower wages, or for any other reason, should be out of business.

dang Charles..now you are forcing me to do a deep dive,,I came across an article today I didn't write down..it was about Assange..and statute of limitations..and who Manning was conspiring emailing or texting someone named xo or ox..and that they couldn't link it to Assange or the voice was not his..something like that..so I have to go ..and research this..have you heard anything about this..Now I'm not saying Assange didn't publish the emails..but now I have to find that article..and I haven't a clue where it was..now I'm curious..gotta find it..BBL

I actually agree with you Ms.H..no one should be exploited .. ..mark this day down on the calendar..

I can't help but wonder if he's really that dumb? If he does, the Democrats will get the last laugh. I've already posted a link earlier about this. If he is dumb enough to do this, in the end, it will be votes for Democrats. I know he is an idiot. Now it's just a question of how big of one. We will eventually see.

Trump confirms a possible plan to send immigrants to sanctuary cities, contradicting White House denials

"President Trump confirmed Friday that the White House is considering a plan to transport detained immigrants to “sanctuary cities” and release them there as a way to punish his political enemies.

Late Thursday night, the Washington Post published a report about the proposal. A White House official downplayed the story, telling the Post in a statement, “This was just a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion".

http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-confirms-white-house-sanctuary-cities-plan-174806223.html

As far as the charges against Assange the ones Charles quoted I believe were dropped by Obama's DOJ citing something along the line of freedom of the press..

Not to mention I was more interested in the article I didn't write down..since it appears that Assange may be newsworthy and I wanted to gather as much info on him as possible..just forgot that article

Of course Ms.H it's about safety..safety of the LEGAL citizens..does one just leave the door of their house open for anyone to enter..or does one expect those who wish to enter to knock..The laws are not there for us to just pick and choose which to abide without expecting consequences when we choose to violate them..Do you not think that the people of this country have a right to be protected..and whose right is it to decide otherwise..simply because they don't agree with the laws for proper entry..If I just walked into your house without knocking if I were homeless ..how would you feel..would you make me a sandwich? and give me money?..Because there are thousands of homeless people out there ..how many of those you don't know do you let just walk into your house..I'm sure you have rules that you expect people to respect at your house..no..and what if they didn't..how would you feel..no problem just let them do as they wish..because they didn't like your rules..I don't think so..would you let them stay..

Once again with the front door analogy. A country is not an inanimate structure with direct responsibility upon the individual on a lease. A country is not directly tied to any one owner who must be solely responsible for maintaining and paying for it.

A country is a collection of people, cultures, locations, structures, and geography. The border is not a DOOR. The border is thousands of miles of terrain, public properties, private properties, desert, river, swamp, peaks and valleys.

I am not talking about a homeless person coming into an OWNERS home. I am talking about human beings seeking to live in this WORLD, which happens to have MAN MADE 'lines' drawn through it.

This country is not like my home. My home is MINE due to legal responsibility for and contractual obligation to it. This country has no contract with me to tell me I have the responsibility for it or the privilege of it 'belonging' to me.

And yes, if i had acres of land that were 'mine' and I found someone needy upon it, I may let them stay, depending on their situation and their intentions. It wouldnt, for me, be just about the property being 'mine' or whether they were on the right side of some arbitrary line. Being in the quarters in which I LIVE my daily life, inside four UNIQUE walls I am paying for, would be less likely.

Here comes a new caravan from Central America!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/12/migrants-force-way-guatemala-mexico-join-caravan-us-immigration-policy/3451674002/

Ms.H
The government is obligated to protect the people and one way we do that is by securing our borders..You and I have already gone round and round on an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure..and one only need to look into the faces of those angel moms and dads and others to see the necessity of prevention versus the cure.. especially for those for which there isn't any ..

And what do you know..another caravan..why don't we just let them all in without identifying them as well and let them camp out on Nancy Pelosi's land.

Well, they would, wouldn't they?

Tomb

The government is obligated to protect borders from 'INVASION', not from people looking for a better life, or perhaps we should take down the Statue of Liberty?

Civilization is more than just 'laws', but empathy and attention to being HUMANE. THere are no absolutes. IF an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, we could look 'in the eyes' of all those moms burying loved ones from drunk driving and see a NECESSITY to rid the country of alcohol.

We could 'look in the eyes' of all those moms who bury loved ones from lung cancer, and see a NECESSITY rid the country of cigarettes.

But I don't think life is that simple as just 'an ounce of prevention', if we want to have any type of choices or freedoms in our world.

This makes absolutely perfect sense.









Democrats Warn Trump Administration On President's Tax Returns


"WASHINGTON ― Democrats gave President Donald Trump’s administration a new deadline to hand over copies of the president’s tax returns on Saturday after the administration refused to provide the documents last week.

The White House will now have until April 23 to comply or face a potentially lengthy legal challenge".

http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-warn-trump-administration-presidents-135708031.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index


U.S. House Democrats blame Trump for worsening border crisis

"LEESBURG, Va. (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Democrats are accusing Republican President Donald Trump of aggravating a crisis situation at the southern U.S. border, saying he has not used funds available to help deal with a surge of migrants and exacerbated the problem with his attempts to crack down".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-democrats/us-house-democrats-blame-trump-for-worsening-border-crisis-idUSKCN1RN31Z

House Committee To Subpoena President Trump's Financial Records

"The House Oversight Committee is investigating claims made by the president's former personal attorney Michael Cohen".

http://www.newsy.com/stories/house-committee-to-subpoena-trump-s-financial-records/

Migrants break border gate, force their way from Guatemala to Mexico on way to U.S. border

"MEXICO CITY – Mexican authorities said a group of about 350 migrants broke the locks on a border gate Friday and forced their way into southern Mexico to join a larger group of migrants trying to make their way toward the United States".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/12/migrants-force-way-guatemala-mexico-join-caravan-us-immigration-policy/3451674002/

A RANT!!

We have always been a nation of immigrants. Most of us have immigrants as part of our family history. Throughout the history of the United States there have always been conflicts between those who where already established here and the new immigrants wanting to settle here. Over time we have built probably the strongest nation on earth because we have worked together and all became Americans even if from different places and cultures in the world. We have also controlled the number of immigrants and the expectations for those immigrants when they settled in our country.

It seems that the immigrants from the last 20+ years have a different attitude toward what being an American is. They seem to want to bring their culture and establish that culture in a part of America without actually being a part of America. They want their religion without accepting we have freedom of or from religion; they want to maintain their language without learning english; they expect us to accept their way of life but are unwilling to accept ours.

We do need immigrants to continue being the great country we are. We need immigrants who are honest and have a strong work ethic. We need immigrants who want to be Americans not some other ethnic group temporarily here to enjoy the prosperity of America and generosity of Americans. Set the rules for their entry, explain our expectations, give them time to succeed, and if they don't, send them packing. We already have more than enough failures in our country that we don't know how to deal with and motivate, we do NOT need more.

Progressives talk about showing empathy for those poor people trying to escape violence and poverty in their home country. That all they want is a chance to a better life. Throughout history there have been many groups that existed in a violent and poverty ridden environment until they couldn't take it any longer and felt they had nothing more to lose. They revolted and changed the course of history and their lives for the better. Many sacrificed their lives so that others would be more fortunate. Until the people in those central and south american countries decide to stand up for themselves nothing will change. All that will happen is more and more will be trying to enter the US any way they can and their home country will just keep getting worse.

The time has come for us to get our immigration house in order; it takes both political parties and a logical approach to immigration. It needs what is best for our country not what is best for a bunch of immigrants from other countries. We do not need immigrants simply because they have relatives here or because their home country is engulfed in violence and poverty! We need new Americans who will become citizens and help our country grow and prosper!

I can understand the POV, yet, I feel there would be no US, if people had just stayed where they were to try to make it a better place. Throughout history, people have both stayed put to fight the good fight, AND moved to make something new. I see the merits of both.

Lawmaker demands IRS hand over Trump tax returns by April 23

"The chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee on Saturday demanded that the Internal Revenue Service hand over the president’s tax returns by April 23".

"I am aware that concerns have been raised regarding my request and the authority of the committee. Those concerns lack merit. Moreover, judicial precedent commands that none of the concerns raised can legitimately be used to deny the committee’s request,” wrote Rep. Richard Neal, D-Massachusetts, in a letter to IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig. "

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawmaker-demands-irs-hand-over-trump-tax-returns-by-april-23-2019-04-13?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo