Topic: Conspiracy theories
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actionlynx

Sat 04/13/19 07:11 PM


If it was a fake video I'm sure the makers would be sure to show pieces flying towards the camera with clear markings on it to 'prove' their point.

Not that I'm taking sides, just pointing out that the whole thing is still very far from clear.


Well, that's the problem. If they didn't see it firsthand and in person themselves, they immediately claim that all photographic, video, and witness testimony is fake. As a result, there is NO WAY to prove them wrong because they deny everything from everyone from everywhere.

It defies statistical probability and logical deduction. Sometimes it even defies science.

What is there to gain from this? Brainwashing. Malleability of the minds of the masses.

By constantly casting doubt on science, facts, evidence, logic, personal experience, etc. they prompt the masses to begin doubting everything including themselves. Once that kind of doubt sets in, people begin losing their grip on reality. when that happens, they look for some bastion of stability and surety to cling to. That's when they become open to suggestion.

It's called "gaslighting" after the movie Gaslight.

Cult leaders have been infamous for using this.

Stockholm Syndrome is a derivative of it.
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msharmony

Sun 04/14/19 02:41 PM

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat.

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."
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actionlynx

Sun 04/14/19 03:19 PM


http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat.

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."


Yes, but they claim that witnesses actually saw molten metal flowing from the building.

Of course, I have NEVER seen anyone question whether other metals in the building might have melted. After all, there were at least copper and aluminum present within the towers. I have no idea what other metals might have been present.

Everyone just says, "steel....steel....steel" without considering other possibilities.
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msharmony

Mon 04/15/19 10:51 AM

I think conspiracy theories are less and less likely in the age of social media and 'connection'. It is nearly impossible to find large groups of people who all will remain silent about something if revealing could get them attention or noteriety, even for a moment. And then, there is concern about people who just wanna stir up crap and can put stuff out or 'leak' it anonymously.





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Mon 04/15/19 02:10 PM


I think conspiracy theories are less and less likely in the age of social media and 'connection'. It is nearly impossible to find large groups of people who all will remain silent about something if revealing could get them attention or noteriety, even for a moment. And then, there is concern about people who just wanna stir up crap and can put stuff out or 'leak' it anonymously.


I'm sure you're right about that! These days if something like that happens, there will be people who can't resist putting out a 'tweet' about what they saw, even before the 'official' explanation is released.

Having said that, there are still people who believe we live on a 'flat' planet, because it 'looks' that way to them. laugh laugh laugh laugh
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The Wrong Alice

Mon 04/15/19 07:36 PM

Lol, yeah right
Jimmy Saville, at it since the 1950s
People knew
But there was a, what's that word, oh yeah, conspiracy
Princess Di
Norma Jean
Pearl Harbour
The list is endless
Edited by The Wrong Alice on Mon 04/15/19 07:36 PM
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The Wrong Alice

Mon 04/15/19 07:44 PM

Oh yeah, and what was that Austrian guys name, you know the 1 from the second world war, with the funny moustache, who went to live in Argentina, you know the one. Was it so we could make better nuclear bombs
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ivegotthegirth

Mon 04/15/19 08:56 PM

No doubt there were many different metals in the WTC and I'm not an engineer (not that kind) but I'm very sure that copper and aluminum aren't used for load bearing members.
When I made my original post I was aware that steel loses strength when heated.
So heat it up and the touch off some explosives and............well you know. We all saw it.

I've never said or doubted that the plane crashed into the Pentagon it's just that any and every other time you'll see parts and pieces come back out and taken away. I've never seen any footage of any parts of a plane coming back out.
Where did it go?
Maybe the important point here is if anyone thinks that the news that's reported and shown to us is what's happening, well you really haven't been paying attention.
We see what the real powers that be want us to see and know.
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Tue 04/16/19 12:01 AM

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actionlynx

Tue 04/16/19 06:12 AM


No doubt there were many different metals in the WTC and I'm not an engineer (not that kind) but I'm very sure that copper and aluminum aren't used for load bearing members.
When I made my original post I was aware that steel loses strength when heated.
So heat it up and the touch off some explosives and............well you know. We all saw it.

I've never said or doubted that the plane crashed into the Pentagon it's just that any and every other time you'll see parts and pieces come back out and taken away. I've never seen any footage of any parts of a plane coming back out.
Where did it go?
Maybe the important point here is if anyone thinks that the news that's reported and shown to us is what's happening, well you really haven't been paying attention.
We see what the real powers that be want us to see and know.


The structure of the planes was made of aluminum.

Electrical wiring back in 1971 was either copper or aluminum.

Point is, structural metals weren't the only ones present in the towers. And since a large amount of aluminum was present at the point of impact, it might have melted. That would explain the lack of plane pieces as well as the molten metal that some claim to have see running out of the towers.
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ivegotthegirth

Tue 04/16/19 10:06 PM



No doubt there were many different metals in the WTC and I'm not an engineer (not that kind) but I'm very sure that copper and aluminum aren't used for load bearing members.
When I made my original post I was aware that steel loses strength when heated.
So heat it up and the touch off some explosives and............well you know. We all saw it.

I've never said or doubted that the plane crashed into the Pentagon it's just that any and every other time you'll see parts and pieces come back out and taken away. I've never seen any footage of any parts of a plane coming back out.
Where did it go?
Maybe the important point here is if anyone thinks that the news that's reported and shown to us is what's happening, well you really haven't been paying attention.
We see what the real powers that be want us to see and know.


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The structure of the planes was made of aluminum.

Electrical wiring back in 1971 was either copper or aluminum.

Point is, structural metals weren't the only ones present in the towers. And since a large amount of aluminum was present at the point of impact, it might have melted. That would explain the lack of plane pieces as well as the molten metal that some claim to have see running out of the towers.
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ivegotthegirth

Tue 04/16/19 10:08 PM




No doubt there were many different metals in the WTC and I'm not an engineer (not that kind) but I'm very sure that copper and aluminum aren't used for load bearing members.
When I made my original post I was aware that steel loses strength when heated.
So heat it up and the touch off some explosives and............well you know. We all saw it.

I've never said or doubted that the plane crashed into the Pentagon it's just that any and every other time you'll see parts and pieces come back out and taken away. I've never seen any footage of any parts of a plane coming back out.
Where did it go?
Maybe the important point here is if anyone thinks that the news that's reported and shown to us is what's happening, well you really haven't been paying attention.
We see what the real powers that be want us to see and know.


O

The structure of the planes was made of aluminum.

Electrical wiring back in 1971 was either copper or aluminum.

Point is, structural metals weren't the only ones present in the towers. And since a large amount of aluminum was present at the point of impact, it might have melted. That would explain the lack of plane pieces as well as the molten metal that some claim to have see running out of the towers.



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Tom4Uhere

Tue 04/16/19 10:52 PM

Oh damn?
Was I suposed to take this seriously?
Frequented too many SHTF sites to take any conspiracy theries seriously.

Ummmm. lemme think... nope, got nothin.
The deeper you go, the less any of them make sense.

But then you have religions which are both deep and well executed.
Ya could go with that.

Do y'all live in the same reality as everyone else?
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notbeold

Wed 04/17/19 06:48 AM

I watched a chem trail get laid and spread across the eastern suburbs of Adelaide a few years ago. A small passenger propeller plane of approx 30 - 40 seats flew a figure 8 while it released a thick foggy cloud. The cloud was photographed and shown on TV during the weather report a few days later. It thinned out in a layer and spread across dozens of square miles and hung in the air like a thin fog. There was virtually no wind that day.
It was not a condensation trail.
It came from a prop plane at about 5,000 feet, like fat messy sky writing, and the cloud initially looked like a pretzel. It didn't dissipate, it just thinned and spread, and hung in the air like a dirty layer, for many hours.