Al Jazeera (Qatar newspaper):



Question is who are the allies apart from the governments of Israel & Saudi Arabia?

correct me if I'm wrong but not even UK this time!

Donald, you made your point, not let's ease off?

President Trump did ease off, and frankly he lost my vote for it. He called off a justified military strike AFTER Iran blew up two civilian commercial vessels, shot a missile at one of our aircraft and shot down two of our drones.

Iran is a rogue nation and the largest state sponsor of terrorism. We need to deal with them sooner rather then later and not with stupid sanctions. We saw how well that worked on Germany after World War I...… If we would have taken actions the moment Nazi Germany violated the Treaty of Versailles World War 2 would have been avoided and millions wouldn't have died.

The WASHINGTONPOST wrote:
But if the president (Trump) really wants peace and stability, he should make a deal with Iran a lot like the one that President Barack Obama negotiated and that Trump was so quick to abandon upon taking office. That agreement was designed to forestall exactly the kind of confrontation the United States and Iran find themselves in now.

A couple problems with that. One, the deal was not on the up and up. Why do you think the US used foreign currency to pay Iran? Because we would have violated the law if we used our own.

Then it gave Iran free reign for a power grab and boy did the take advantage. Over 1/3 of our troops killed in Iraq are by Iranian trained forces.

Lastly it would have given Iran a nuclear weapon with in a couple years and Iran can not go nuclear.

Tensions will never go down with Iran and the US. There is too much history. There will have to eventually be a showdown and regime change until then every time they keep up their terrorist activities we need to start hitting strategic military targets. We need to disable their Navy and Revolutionary Guards first.

5 July: Super tanker 'Grace' seized by Royal Navy / Marines off Gibraltar on suspicion of carrying Iranian crude.

Good news: US withdrawal from Afghanistan



President Ashraf Ghani has made no comment. Ouch.

Don't f×÷π with Gibraltar.
Isn't the U.S. suspected of attacking these oil tankers, so they can use it as a pretext to war, a tactic they've employed numerous times.
As for WW2 , isn't that what the Americans did at pearl harbour, after leaving the rest of us to it, for so long, that it would bankrupt us, so they could effectively seize power after it finished

R2D2,
Are we going to return to WWII?

and since you raised the topic, aren't we forgetting US convoys after convoys of supplies across the Atlantic under threat of German U boats!

The decisive race to develop the nuclear bomb before Germany!

Moreover US had absolutely no trained army then. It was a farming economy and were the farm boys who landed in Normandy. Convincing a nation of farmers to fight to preserve others; compulsory drafting; no easy task.


The Iranians don't view Trump as a 'Hitler'; cause even they admit they did wrong. Their point now is, 'okay, let the past bury the past'

World's changed unbelievably. With the net, media more powerful than generals.
Moreover, Trump is flexible, open to negotiations. Let's track and see how things 'unfold'. I think the Russians may have to be called in as China was, over N.Korea.

WW2 was raised before, by Lpdon

From one perspective, our warfare-State economy is simply a waste of money.

We already know we cannot take the Religious seriously, by simply having the Expense of Government. I prefer to admonish the right wing for being so willing to be unfaithful to our own supreme law of the land, but blame the less fortunate for being "illegal".

Our welfare clause is General not Common. We have a Commerce Clause; why are we losing money on foreign policy?

The right wing keeps whining about Taxes but refuse to cut their extra-Constitutional and wasteful spending on the general Warfare not the general Welfare.

Global commerce not global war!

The right wing has no actual strategy to win our global wars on crime, drugs, or terror.

Ingsoc, doublethink, war is peace, etc, etc

The war is waged by each ruling
group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make
or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society
intact.
1984, George Orwell

Our Constitution and supreme law of the land is express not implied by right wing fantasy in any way.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/petrodollar-warfare-the-common-thread-linking-venezuela-and-iran/255123/

why are we wasting money on what they are doing?

our welfare clause is General not Common, and we have a Commerce Clause.

Britain says Iran attempted to block its oil tanker
- Times of India, 11 July



Since when did boats turn to vessels? Seems we will be reading on more such 'accidents'

a global "Manhattan Project" for fuson (an energy with a future), would be better, in my opinion.

15 July
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif has been given a visa to visit New York, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has announced.

It's a EUROPEAN sanction, we were acting in accordance with that yet every report says BRITAIN! Where the f### is the rest of Europe? Always rely on their support

Times of India - 18 July 2019



In the meantime ...

UK to send third warship to Gulf



Nothing to worry about yet; according to MoD, HMS Duncan type 45 frigate is transiting to the region while HMS Montrose, a type 23 frigate, undertakes planned maintenance.








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20 July: President Trump announces that USS Boxer has shot down an Iranian Drone.

What, Iran has drones?
checked and found that Iran is 4th in list of top 5 drone players
US, Israel, China Iran and then Russia

next question: 'what's the capability of Iranian drones?'



So basically it is a spy plane.



Now we are beginning to see a picture. Hundreds of drones filling the sky, weaving towards the warships.

Question is why would Iran fly their drones when in such an event, the end game is absolutely clear.