Would be some clash I'm sure with Iran threw into the mix though..

Oh, totally different Dino, that was such a long time ago. times have changed.

Still a lot of sour grapes with some american officials over the botched rescue attempt in Iran.
Personally, all this sanction bs is to keep the price of oil high and nothing else.

The big guns would surely be out, hopefully it never materialises, feck that chit, war is ugly Love is lovely an all that jazz..

War to end all wars, the saying went
Think that carrier pigeon didn't make it!

Think most of the politicians were on holiday when I sent the memo

I think it will be a kin nightmare in a few years when resources dwindle .
All the big players in the middle east won't have anything to sell.

Thanks Mikey,
Let's say this is one of the two driving forces - but longer the sanctions, say 2 years, or 2025; Iran's oil becomes hotter commodity.

So let's assume Trump gives Iran some face saving gesture and matters are resolved. but what Seamus says is now closer to my home.



Ten days ago India removed 'special status' for the part of Kashmir held as Indian territory for 70 years; now regularized as a state of India. K, as you all may know, has been an ongoing dispute between India and Pakistan. Now we read about war rhetoric from Pakistan.

To cut the story, living with Pakistan has been like driving a car carrying TNT on the back seat over a road with pot holes. This, because we have a large Muslim population, 35%. We cannot hurt P's civilian population; but the impression we have is P's military has no such qualms!

Given this situation (and I notice that my brain has been leaking last 2 days after Seamus posted that tiny note); doesn't make sense my tracking Iran's situation. Over to Lung because he's personally effected and to you all from now. TY

Hi jaish.
I don't understand why india has done this with kashmir?
It was kind of a buffer zone from Pakistan?
There has to be a reason that is not obvious to us at the moment.

Historical Perspective:
Ancient Kashmir was Buddhist, like Tibet (as was parts of N India then). In 15th Century their unarmed men got replaced by Muslim invaders, 'like butchering cows' as reported in M chronicle. In 1800, Kashmir was retaken by Sikh Nation but by then most of the population were Muslims. When Sikh Nation came under British rule, Kashmir was annexed with a Sikh as puppet king.

1947 India and Pakistan were partitioned. 1948, Pakistan army invaded Kashmir and the King requested Indian government for help. By then North Kashmir was in P's hand. Indian troops moved in and government asked them to stop at what is present line of control; included landmark temple of Hindus. S. Kashmir was then given special status under Indian constitution. N. Kashmir became a state of Pakistan.

1950s China marched into Tibet - till then India's foreign policy had not seen China as a threat. China has also installed missile stations on high altitude Tibet increasing it's range over India. Around 10 years ago, Pakistan sold / gave up a portion of N.E Kashmir to China for logistic reasons - before Silk road plan.
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So it was easy for Pakistan to infiltrate S.Kashmir with mujahideen and keep the population excited. As a late general from Pakistan famously said, 'India will be defeated by 1000 cuts'.
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Portions of narrative may be disputed by Pakistanis but here's the situation. If India gives up S. Kashmir to Pakistan then China would have clear land link to Pakistan. The remaining buffer - Nepal and the Himalayas then become valueless.

Double Post!!

Interesting.
Something just put a thought into my mind.
When China took Tibet India didn't find China a threat.

Well, a theory, american /China relations are bumpy ok.
Could it be influence from America on India to extend the border north?

Tibet was always considered like a Shangrila - a holy land of monks
When Chinese marched into Tibet in 1951 - everybody was surprised. Tibet had no army and Dalai Lama escaped into India.

While the cold war was on - there was a non-aligned group of nations - Yugoslavia, Egypt, India and some others. In the face of Chinese aggression in 1962, JFK period; India was promised some defense equipment but didn't materialize due to his death.

Nixon allied with Pakistan; supplied them with Patton tanks & F series and that broke our neutrality. We had a defense deal with the Soviets. We had our own tanks and Russian MIGs. During Bangladesh war, USS Enterprise sank an Indian frigate in the Indian Ocean (hush-hush) - but by then the war was over.

Mikey - it's now 1000 words. Don't think Minglers can handle more for one night!

Good night
Thanks

who said, Trump is not flexible?



India's External Affairs Minister will be visiting Iran tomorrow, Sunday; where he will meet his Iranian counterpart, Javed Zarif.

Petrol Price Hike by 50% in Iran!!

Leads to protest and crackdown by government.

304 people dead.



Geo-politics gone too far.

I don't think Iran will come to the negotiating table

even if US knocks out all 52 targets in 2020 - one target a week.

Today, Iraqi Parliament (not Iranian) has voted for the expulsion of all foreign troops from Iraqi soil.

https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/world/iraqs-parliament-calls-for-expulsion-of-us-troops/vi-BBYDiIQ

This was normal result against bad policy of Trump

Have you seen some of the stuff flying about lately

Like the 1 that says, America has been a country for 235 years, and been at war for 209 of them ( with a list of all the wars )

know... but more then likely longer then that ...


I believe it is up to Russia and China to decide the nxt move...

they have there own hands in Iraks & Iran's oil also ...

and if Israel does not go in ... we might get out with compromise in these regions an not world war 3... we have saudies oil too... on back up ...
oh boy ...