Topic: THE ULTIMATE IN FAKE NEWS IS CLIMATE CHANGE
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kuna Pradhanb

Tue 07/02/19 12:50 PM

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Darren

Tue 07/02/19 01:29 PM

If you look in to it I can't remember what the chemical is but 1 part of it wipes out tens of thousands of ozone and like I said about UV c look at what it does in the laps it kills DNA so the more things like CFCs and that we send out the more the ozone is destroyed the greater the change of UV c being about to penetrate and get to the earth and kill everything.
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 07/02/19 10:32 PM


I should point out we are currently still in the last ice age.

Its also important to realize in the last 4.5 billion years or so, the Earth has gone thru multiple ice ages and warming periods.
There is evidence in core samples, ice samples and sedimentary buildup such as lime and sandstone.

One should also realize the Sun is roughly 4.8 billion years old and is rising into its main sequence phase. Yes, the Sun is getting hotter.

The Earth is also slowing in its rotational period causing longer days.
We can't tell because we live and die over very significant short time periods by comparison.
Our entire modern science is at best, a couple thousand years in total.
In other words, we are very new on the scene.

Granted, our 7.7 billion population and our incessant need to pave the planet are not helping matters but I assure y'all, we are not the cause.

Here...Lemme say it again?

One of the problems with human reasoning is to imagine that we are significant to the natural process of life.
Hahaha, delusions of grandeur.

Just for a second, a considerations, is it possible that humans, existing for a mere 2 million years might have no idea what is really going on in a Universe that has existed for 14 billion years or so?
How could any person understand what is really going on?

Bur wait, put yer ego aside for a second.
The question to ask is why?
Why, in the world would we, who can't understand our own brains or the planet we infest, why would WE be so freaking special we have all the answers?
Sorry, that just makes ABSOLUTELY no reasonable sense?

So lets just say, we are infants learning the world in which we inhabit.
Lets figure that everything we know, all we have 'found out' about the Universe is but an infants view on the actual reality out there?
What happens then?
What if what you think you know is not what is actually happening but only how we understand it according to what we have learned so far?

Our reasoning approximates about 2,000 years, Pretty significant to a species that lives about 100 years.
The Universe approximates to 13.8 billion years.
Do you even realize how many 2,000 year periods are in 13.8 billion years?
The significance is the determining factor not a strange detail.
We Know NOTHING!

Hell, ya can't even control your own population, understand your own planet or contemplate the vast dynamics of the Universe in which you exits.
2 million years your species has been around.
Eventually, some far superior life form will consider Humans as a short lived fluke in the evolutionary past of this planet.
LOL, talk about delusions of grandeur!
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Darren

Wed 07/03/19 02:00 PM

When you look at earth as a little rock in the universe by some fluke we ended up having life on here its crazy to think if every star you can see is a sun and they all have 8 planets the law of averages says we have some friends out there cause for us to honestly believe we r the only thing that's alive out there and we as humans are the most intelligent creatures well that's just insane
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Tom4Uhere

Wed 07/03/19 08:52 PM


When you look at earth as a little rock in the universe by some fluke we ended up having life on here its crazy to think if every star you can see is a sun and they all have 8 planets the law of averages says we have some friends out there cause for us to honestly believe we r the only thing that's alive out there and we as humans are the most intelligent creatures well that's just insane

While our type of star is pretty common it is not the only type of star out there.
The most common star is nothing like our Sun.
Some stars only exist for millions of years, others billions of years.
Some stars are so radiant, no life can exist anywhere near them.
Some stars expire long before life on any planets can occur.
Plus, there are a million other variables that prevent life, let along advanced life from ever happening in that star system.

The G2 type star, being fairly common, also is not a guarantee that life or advanced life will form in its system.
There are systems with multiple stars that prevents the stability needed for life to advance.
There are stars with too much or not enough radiation to allow advanced life to mature.
Our own Sun and the system in which we inhabit has just the right combination of conditions that allowed life to mature over 4.5 billion years to create us.

Sure, there might be other G2 systems that create advanced life.
There is nothing to suggest those systems are exactly like ours and results in exactly the same way as our planet did when we evolved.
There could be greatly advanced life forms or greatly inferior life forms but all those life forms are unique to their parent star system.

For a random G2 star to produce a civilization we could even call our brothers is astronomical and likely 1 in 1 billion or more.
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Darren

Thu 07/04/19 03:43 AM

Yeah the changes of there being another star planet that is the same as ours is 1 in so many billion or whatever but the changes of there being life of some form is a lot greater now I'm not saying there are little green men like paul but when you look at how much we have sent up to explore around the little bit of space we know then who knows maybe there is something out there who didn't have the dark ages and just think of the Egyptians look at how they lined the pyramids up to the stars and when its looked at from the air its perfect now there is no way they could check that so it shows you how advanced they was they can keep body's looking in decent condition 4000 years later and we struggle to keep em for a month or so there is a hell of a lot we lost in the dark ages
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Thu 07/04/19 05:33 AM

And I assure you, while we may not be the initial cause, we are certainly speeding up our demise with our carelessness on this planet.
Edited by pumpilicious 💕 on Thu 07/04/19 05:37 AM
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iam_resurrected

Thu 07/04/19 09:27 AM


And I assure you, while we may not be the initial cause, we are certainly speeding up our demise with our carelessness on this planet.





Everything we have access to, in one form or another, has come from this planet. Man can only invent what he has access to. If the Earth did not give man that access, nothing we see would have been man-made.
Edited by iam_resurrected on Thu 07/04/19 09:28 AM
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Thu 07/04/19 10:21 AM



And I assure you, while we may not be the initial cause, we are certainly speeding up our demise with our carelessness on this planet.





Everything we have access to, in one form or another, has come from this planet. Man can only invent what he has access to. If the Earth did not give man that access, nothing we see would have been man-made.

I cannot disagree with anything you said.
We haven't treated this earth well is what I was saying.
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iam_resurrected

Thu 07/04/19 01:41 PM




And I assure you, while we may not be the initial cause, we are certainly speeding up our demise with our carelessness on this planet.





Everything we have access to, in one form or another, has come from this planet. Man can only invent what he has access to. If the Earth did not give man that access, nothing we see would have been man-made.

I cannot disagree with anything you said.
We haven't treated this earth well is what I was saying.


I agree with Your assessment, we have not treated our home like it's our home!!
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Darren

Thu 07/04/19 02:16 PM

I agree and its still happening like I said a long time ago about the amount of CFCs that are being pumped in to the air still to this day and the chemical I was talking about is bromine 1 molecule destroys 10s of thousands ozone molecules so then once the ozone has gone it allows UV c to get to the earth and that kills DNA so if we don't sort this out now and stop these things we will have destroyed life on this funny little rock we call earth.
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iam_resurrected

Thu 07/04/19 04:14 PM


I agree and its still happening like I said a long time ago about the amount of CFCs that are being pumped in to the air still to this day and the chemical I was talking about is bromine 1 molecule destroys 10s of thousands ozone molecules so then once the ozone has gone it allows UV c to get to the earth and that kills DNA so if we don't sort this out now and stop these things we will have destroyed life on this funny little rock we call earth.




Science wants to take credit for Engineering, Mathematics, Medical Advancements, and many more on a long list. Truthfully, these idealisms were once separate from one another and science just took credit for them.

Why do I mention this?

Science, outside of exploration, discovery, research, is supposed to be designed to help humanity.

But let's look at Chemistry...

What has Chemistry done in the advancement towards helping mankind?

Created medicines that do not collate with biology, and a single cure can create several side effects leading to even more damage.

But what has Chemistry done in advancement towards planet Earth?

Created numerous adhesives that cause breathing issues and pollution, the several types of crude we dump in the oceans were classified by Chemistry, plastics, styrofoam, gases, fuels, poisons, chemical warfare, insecticides, bleach, liquid ammonia, paint and thinners, lubes, mosquito spray, and on and on....


So, for all that Science has claimed to be of a help for us, one single division has literally destroyed all advancements, and created a literal death sentence for us!!

And Science knows this.

The fact they create what destroys our atmosphere and then preach "Global Warming," is like a Nation going public confirming they will not attack and do so anyways.

In my opinion, Science has gotten away with playing God, to the point, that they are now deciding when life should end!!
Edited by iam_resurrected on Thu 07/04/19 04:17 PM
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Darren

Thu 07/04/19 06:28 PM

You say about what has chemistry done for us well think about it the thing you are using to type on here can only be made because of a understanding about chemistry cars and plains and lights and everything has something to do with chemistry.

Everything you use will have something to do with chemistry or an understanding of chemicals if not what do you use to wash anything. Yeah there is damaging things with it but there is in all aspects of life we don't live in this perfect utopian world I know its hard to believe sometimes with how well everyone gets on but it's true.
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iam_resurrected

Thu 07/04/19 08:36 PM

I understand what the benefits of Chemistry are to us in every day to day usage and technology. But for all of the good we can find beneficial, we can easily determine that Chemistry can be even more detrimental to the environment in the long run. It is literally a catch 22 scenario.

With everything being LED, landfills are literally screaming "Do Not Throw Electronics, Computers, Technical Equipment, and Such" into the Landfills. Can you imagine what LED components would do if it reached our drinking water?

Any more, fish with Mercury are safer to eat than eating fish from your local pond that has been contaminated with LED.

We definitely are not winning here!!
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Tom4Uhere

Sat 07/06/19 10:46 PM

Here, I got an idea...

Lets say everyone suddenly became aware of the environment, all 7.7 billion of us.
Lets say each of us dedicated themselves to stop environmental damage in everything we do.

You no longer flush your toilet because it contributes to the erosion of the natural environment.
You stop using electricity.
You stop going to work, driving your car, flying, using manufactured items.
You stop eating, exercising and moving around.

What you can't grasp is not the impact you are having on the environment by just living, you fail to realize you are not the only one.
7.7 billion others are on this plane right now, making more.

All the things you 'need' in your life are there because something or someone is affecting the environment.
The plastic you use requires raw material being harvested, chemical processes to make it plastic and work forces to mold, assemble and distribute it.
All the people doing that, also depend on the same things you do.

You recycle your plastic bottles, oh wow, that makes a big difference in the actual reality of the impact. Someone gathered the recyclables, hauled them to a recycling center, sorted them, moved them to the recycling processing places and ran the furnaces and all the resultant processes needed to bring it back to you.
People, more people. All creating more waste than your little bin of recycled plastic saves.
But, you feel better because you did your part?

The environment is interconnect with everything you do as long as you live.
Times 7.7 billion.
Plus, there is the natural planet processes that have been occurring since the Earth formed.

Want to make a significan't gain in environmental recovery?
Remove about 4 billion people from the cycle.

The Earth will not end.
It will recover.
Faster without us but it will no matter what.

People think we are destroying the Earth but all we are destroying is our world.
There is a difference.
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iam_resurrected

Sun 07/07/19 02:00 AM

^

I do believe you have given a valid solution to an ongoing problem.

The question then has to be, how do you remove 4 billion people for the purpose of allowing Mother Earth to heal itself?
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Sun 07/07/19 02:35 AM

If you look at evidence based science you will see the vast majority of scientists agree that what we call 'climate change' is real. It is not 'fake news'. Ask the polar bears or penguins who can no longer find food due to the melting of ice at the poles. The pictures taken from space are alarming. If the gulf stream weakens or disappears, the British Isles could become a permanent winter with ice and snow and no summer to enjoy at this time of year.

The question is why this is happening. This planet has alternate ice ages and warm periods. We are currently in an ice age, granted not the sort that would provide kilometres thick ice over our cities, but none the less, a 'warm' stage is a lot hotter than the temperatures we have now. Reading as much as I can about this it seems that the planet is slowly getting warmer. Quite possibly the speed at which this happens has been increased due to human activity but I think it quite ridiculous to think that us humans can do the kind of planet terraforming that you can read about in many science fiction novels - these all describe a time in our distant future.

The advantages of a warmer planet will be less use of power to keep us warm, although greater use of aircon units will offset that advantage. People will be less likely to make journeys by plane to holiday in a warmer country, so that will be a saving worth having - but not such good news for the tourist industry in those warmer countries.

Sometimes I wonder why we are attempting to slow nature down, if we could do anything I think it would make only a small difference and the cost to all the big countries would be measured in trillions of dollars each. We have to ask, is it worth it? Why not adapt? We're good at that. After all, we have evolved from the most incredibly small beginnings.

On an associated topic, there might or might not be 'intelligent' life on other planets that circle other stars, but we need to remember the timescale. Civilisations might well have arisen billions of years ago, and then either faded away, or blown their planet to bits in a war. The chances of us being able to make a spaceship that could fly somewhere else, arriving at a civilisation that we would even recognise as intelligent, let alone communicate with and share science knowledge with, is the stuff of science fiction and I truly think will remain so.
Edited by ... on Sun 07/07/19 02:39 AM
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iam_resurrected

Sun 07/07/19 02:54 AM


If you look at evidence based science you will see the vast majority of scientists agree that what we call 'climate change' is real. It is not 'fake news'. Ask the polar bears or penguins who can no longer find food due to the melting of ice at the poles. The pictures taken from space are alarming. If the gulf stream weakens or disappears, the British Isles could become a permanent winter with ice and snow and no summer to enjoy at this time of year.

The question is why this is happening. This planet has alternate ice ages and warm periods. We are currently in an ice age, granted not the sort that would provide kilometres thick ice over our cities, but none the less, a 'warm' stage is a lot hotter than the temperatures we have now. Reading as much as I can about this it seems that the planet is slowly getting warmer. Quite possibly the speed at which this happens has been increased due to human activity but I think it quite ridiculous to think that us humans can do the kind of planet terraforming that you can read about in many science fiction novels - these all describe a time in our distant future.

The advantages of a warmer planet will be less use of power to keep us warm, although greater use of aircon units will offset that advantage. People will be less likely to make journeys by plane to holiday in a warmer country, so that will be a saving worth having - but not such good news for the tourist industry in those warmer countries.

Sometimes I wonder why we are attempting to slow nature down, if we could do anything I think it would make only a small difference and the cost to all the big countries would be measured in trillions of dollars each. We have to ask, is it worth it? Why not adapt? We're good at that. After all, we have evolved from the most incredibly small beginnings.

On an associated topic, there might or might not be 'intelligent' life on other planets that circle other stars, but we need to remember the timescale. Civilisations might well have arisen billions of years ago, and then either faded away, or blown their planet to bits in a war. The chances of us being able to make a spaceship that could fly somewhere else, arriving at a civilisation that we would even recognise as intelligent, let alone communicate with and share science knowledge with, is the stuff of science fiction and I truly think will remain so.




I definitely agree we are in a cycle stage of this "current ice age." I also would point out that some of our personal decisions do not help environmentally overall. Maybe pollution is not the big enemy, but asphalt reflecting the sun to increase temperatures probably is not helping our cause. 8 billion people and the continual birthing of more is not benefitting the "Big Picture."

In reality, we are not even sure what Science suggests as solutions would even help. They have not actually been around long enough to see one ice age cycle to the next. So at best, they are only assuming.

We kind of are damned one way or another in what to do. At this point in the game, it really is like a brain starving from lack of intelligence.
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Darren

Mon 07/08/19 06:18 PM

What the world need is a big war or something like Ebola but harder to cure cause they will get rid of a lot of the people but yeah the earth does warm up and cool down but like I always say the problem will be when the ozone layer has gone it will let UV c ray to the earth and kill DNA so then life is gone cause you can't adapt. That is pretty terminal but that will take out the building blocks of life aswell fair enough it won't be in our life times but if you don't stop releasing the gases and chemicals we will push it past the point of no return.
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notbeold

Wed 07/10/19 05:14 AM

War is the most polluting, destructive, and wasteful occupation devised.
It kills more of everything else than it does people.

I hereby re-name us, our species, and our 'civilized' modern culture:
Homo stupidus destructor.

Humans have become too 'smart' for their own good. Hygiene, medicine, and increased knowledge generally has delayed or stopped most the parasites and pathogens that would have eaten us inside and out and made us sick and vulnerable.

And we make such a mess while we live longer, and breed longer, and develop destructive pastimes for entertainment, besides our work occupation messes, and just modern living makes so much waste.

Having lots of kids, who then have lots of kids, and so on, isn't helping.
A culture avoiding synthetics and metals and high energy input goods would help reduce manufacturing and disposal waste (and manufacturing jobs).
Valuing natural fibres, and traditional materials like wood, leather, bone, canvas - cannabis, rope - hemp, rubber, coir, flax, etc. If your waste isn't poisonous, or requiring energy to process, you are helping.
Reduce airline use, and aimless sunday drives, motor sports.
Minimise electronic goods, and white goods, and kitchen 'accessories'.

I think a West World style robot killing spree could help.

I wonder when the Snow Monkeys become just hot wet monkeys.