Topic: to grieve or not to grieve?
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 09:40 AM

Triggered by the barry white song 'let the music play' on the radio today it got me thinking. He was such a cool nice guy who brought pleasure to millions of people.
I thought how sad it was that he died.
But I guess everyone has to go sometime right?
We've all lost someone close to us and had to deal with the grief and heart ache.
Now I continued to think of people that I've been over joyed to hear they've gone!
Will be different for everyone.
Examples for me, terrorists, bullies, some really nasty people I've known over the years, the guy who raped my friends daughter (who died in mysterious circumstances ) and many others.
So my point is, is it ok to be happy that certain people die or am I wrong to feel that kind of joy?
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Larsi666 😽

Tue 08/20/19 10:04 AM

Of course there is sadness. But also fond memories. And, just in case, someone is very ill, the fact that this person is free of pain now.
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 10:06 AM


Of course there is sadness. But also fond memories. And, just in case, someone is very ill, the fact that this person is free of pain now.

Thanks larsi , yes I'm fine with that. It's the being happy that the horrible one's have died.
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Tue 08/20/19 10:11 AM

I believe it's okay, but don't let that bitterness eat you up..
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 10:15 AM

Thanks Dino, yes your right.
Guess there is some karma there too.
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Larsi666 😽

Tue 08/20/19 10:15 AM



Of course there is sadness. But also fond memories. And, just in case, someone is very ill, the fact that this person is free of pain now.

Thanks larsi , yes I'm fine with that. It's the being happy that the horrible one's have died.


Yeah. A burden in your life is gone. Time to finish that chapter afterwards.
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Tue 08/20/19 10:17 AM


Thanks Dino, yes your right.
Guess there is some karma there too.

:thumbsup: Karma always works it's magic IMO
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 10:21 AM

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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Tue 08/20/19 10:27 AM

Difficult things...
An acquaintance of mine lost her 29 yr old daughter 3 years ago when a totally drunk idiot hit her motorbike with his van.
She died on the spot, her husband -who was behind her on the bike- was badly injured and transported by trauma helicopter to R'dam hospital.
He missed his wife's funeral and everything as he was in a coma.

The trial on that is still going. It had ended after 3 years and 3 different courts. He got 6 years he initially had gotten.
But... then his smart-@$$ lawyer objected to that, stating there was a technical hiccup with the sentence. It had been manslaughter and he claimed it couldn't be because blablabla...
The case was dismissed and has to go to court again, putting the entire family through all that misery a second time.

Now how would you feel if you're the parent or husband in such situation? Not sure. I'd want him to get as much prison time as possible, but would I wish him dead?
Difficult to fathom.

Thing is... does it alleviate your pain when such a person dies? I don't think so.
You don't get your loved one back.
The ego will be thrilled, 'there you go, you MF!!!" but the pain won't go away.
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Tue 08/20/19 10:32 AM

I think it takes a stronger person to forgive the perpetrator of such things.
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 10:32 AM


Difficult things...
An acquaintance of mine lost her 29 yr old daughter 3 years ago when a totally drunk idiot hit her motorbike with his van.
She died on the spot, her husband -who was behind her on the bike- was badly injured and transported by trauma helicopter to R'dam hospital.
He missed his wife's funeral and everything as he was in a coma.

The trial on that is still going. It had ended after 3 years and 3 different courts. He got 6 years he initially had gotten.
But... then his smart-@$$ lawyer objected to that, stating there was a technical hiccup with the sentence. It had been manslaughter and he claimed it couldn't be because blablabla...
The case was dismissed and has to go to court again, putting the entire family through all that misery a second time.

Now how would you feel if you're the parent or husband in such situation? Not sure. I'd want him to get as much prison time as possible, but would I wish him dead?
Difficult to fathom.

Thing is... does it alleviate your pain when such a person dies? I don't think so.
You don't get your loved one back.
The ego will be thrilled, 'there you go, you MF!!!" but the pain won't go away.

That is sad and one thing that gets me is a smart lawyer!
It's not an ego thing. can't explain what it is.
Guess it's up to the individual to have their own feelings.
I see what you're saying though.
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Tue 08/20/19 10:38 AM



Difficult things...
An acquaintance of mine lost her 29 yr old daughter 3 years ago when a totally drunk idiot hit her motorbike with his van.
She died on the spot, her husband -who was behind her on the bike- was badly injured and transported by trauma helicopter to R'dam hospital.
He missed his wife's funeral and everything as he was in a coma.

The trial on that is still going. It had ended after 3 years and 3 different courts. He got 6 years he initially had gotten.
But... then his smart-@$$ lawyer objected to that, stating there was a technical hiccup with the sentence. It had been manslaughter and he claimed it couldn't be because blablabla...
The case was dismissed and has to go to court again, putting the entire family through all that misery a second time.

Now how would you feel if you're the parent or husband in such situation? Not sure. I'd want him to get as much prison time as possible, but would I wish him dead?
Difficult to fathom.

Thing is... does it alleviate your pain when such a person dies? I don't think so.
You don't get your loved one back.
The ego will be thrilled, 'there you go, you MF!!!" but the pain won't go away.

That is sad and one thing that gets me is a smart lawyer!
It's not an ego thing. can't explain what it is.
Guess it's up to the individual to have their own feelings.
I see what you're saying though.

I always hope that if something like that would happen to me that I could be like a couple I once saw in a docu. Elderly, their daughter had been killed by a man who was imprisoned. He was not the best of persons.
The parents, however, got in touch with him and stayed in touch for years on end. They visited him, talked to him, got to know him.
And... they forgave him. Truly utterly forgave him! I cried, one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
And you know what's happened to that man? He came to wholeheartedly regret what he'd done as by getting to know the parents he began to realize the impact and to see what he was like, what he had caused.
He turned around 100% from being a criminal to becoming a good person.
They showed the parents with him outdoors, talking, hugging.
Seriously amazing what love can do!
I think I was 26ish at the time, and remember thinking "Ifever something like that happens to me I hope I can deal with it that way too, because it is the only right way, the only way that leads to true healing."
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 10:44 AM

That's sweet crystal, not sure if I'd be like that, depends greatly on the circumstances.
I lost a girlfriend to a drunk driver a few years ago. She was in Budapest, her home. We had only met a few months before when she was working here.
It's the apparent total disregard for others that gets me.
People drink drive constantly knowing full well what could happen. it's no good being sorry afterwards.
Now if it's a genuine accident then that's different.
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Tue 08/20/19 10:53 AM


That's sweet crystal, not sure if I'd be like that, depends greatly on the circumstances.
I lost a girlfriend to a drunk driver a few years ago. She was in Budapest, her home. We had only met a few months before when she was working here.
It's the apparent total disregard for others that gets me.
People drink drive constantly knowing full well what could happen. it's no good being sorry afterwards.
Now if it's a genuine accident then that's different.

Horrible to go through!! :heart: Such things are difficult.
I'm also not sure if I could be/feel the way that couple did if for instance one of my kids fell victim to anything bad.
But not sure if I'd have the energy to even feel angry and vengeful as I'm not sure I'd survive losing one of my kids tbh... Even thinking about it is unbearable.
But like you, total disregard for others is something I have great difficulty with too.

Let's just pray nothing like that ever happens to us and our loved ones (again).
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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 11:04 AM



That's sweet crystal, not sure if I'd be like that, depends greatly on the circumstances.
I lost a girlfriend to a drunk driver a few years ago. She was in Budapest, her home. We had only met a few months before when she was working here.
It's the apparent total disregard for others that gets me.
People drink drive constantly knowing full well what could happen. it's no good being sorry afterwards.
Now if it's a genuine accident then that's different.

Horrible to go through!! :heart: Such things are difficult.
I'm also not sure if I could be/feel the way that couple did if for instance one of my kids fell victim to anything bad.
But not sure if I'd have the energy to even feel angry and vengeful as I'm not sure I'd survive losing one of my kids tbh... Even thinking about it is unbearable.
But like you, total disregard for others is something I have great difficulty with too.

Let's just pray nothing like that ever happens to us and our loved ones (again).
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Riverspirit1111

Tue 08/20/19 11:11 AM


I think it takes a stronger person to forgive the perpetrator of such things.


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@ Mikey... I don't feel it's wrong to be happy that those who did horrendous things are no longer here. Although, I don't really feel it's right to either. I do feel it's a very personal thing, and a very human thing to have feelings regardless of what they are. They are just that... feelings.

I believe that if the feeling you're having is troublesome to you or you're questioning having that feeling, that it's good to look at it and do some soul searching. Feelings are there for a reason, sometimes to help us grow or find some peace... or often the case, compassion and/or forgiveness.

For me personally, I wouldn't so much be happy they are gone as I would be happy that they can't hurt anyone else. On the other hand I would be sad for them because they didn't get the chance in this life time to make things right... to turn it around, and live in and with peace and love. But then, perhaps they weren't meant to in this lifetime. Perhaps their soul purpose was to come here and help us learn compassion and forgiveness?

So far, as far as I know, none of those who did horrible things to me are dead... aside from my father that is. When he died, I wasn't happy at all... I was sad because I failed at helping him die a peaceful old man. He died a lonely miserable man who pushed his whole family away. As far as the others, it wouldn't make me happy if they were gone. I've forgiven them and hope that if they are still here that they are doing well and have found love in their hearts.
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Mrmxb

Tue 08/20/19 11:28 AM

According to me this is a normal idea/thing. And we all are like you said. Bad man is like stench. His stench disturb everyone. People will want to escape than this stench.:angry:

Good/Nice people are like flowers propagator the nice smell smitten . Is there who don't like an excellent smell. They are harmless and helpfu. flowerforyou
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Rock

Tue 08/20/19 11:32 AM

I feel loss, when a good person passes.

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Unknow

Tue 08/20/19 11:36 AM

Thanks river and mrmxb.
It's not only the personal happenings.
It's things you see or hear on the tv. Some your happy about some your sad about if that makes sense?

Trying not to make this so much about me but about is it right that someone can feel happy even if they never knew them.
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Riverspirit1111

Tue 08/20/19 11:44 AM


Thanks river and mrmxb.
It's not only the personal happenings.
It's things you see or hear on the tv. Some your happy about some your sad about if that makes sense?

Trying not to make this so much about me but about is it right that someone can feel happy even if they never knew them.


That makes sense Mikey. I believe it's pretty much the same as if it were personal. Feelings aren't right or wrong, they just are. It's how those feelings effect us and what we do with them that matters.