Topic: to grieve or not to grieve?
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soufiehere

Tue 08/20/19 12:56 PM

No I do not think it is right to take pleasure from the death of anyone.
What goes around, comes around.
I do not want peeps wishing I was dead so I wish it on no one.

That someone gets their just desserts? All good by me.

But I have always felt that if a society treated every single
life form as sacred, perhaps that same society would not have
so many killers, intent on living out some fantasy.
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Tue 08/20/19 01:24 PM


No I do not think it is right to take pleasure from the death of anyone.
What goes around, comes around.
I do not want peeps wishing I was dead so I wish it on no one.

That someone gets their just desserts? All good by me.

But I have always felt that if a society treated every single
life form as sacred, perhaps that same society would not have
so many killers, intent on living out some fantasy.

That intrigued me to look up how criminality % are in the world.
Amazing to see the USA, UK, Ireland, France, not scoring too well.
The Netherlands are among one of the safer countries.
Go figure. And we get all that chit throw at us from abroad on our drugs policy and tolerance. Goes to show our way does work.
We score the same as Saoudi Arabia which is considered one of the safest countries in the world.

If you want to see for yourself, it's quite interesting actually:
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Tue 08/20/19 01:31 PM

PS I do agree with the importance of seeing each life as sacred.
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Bastet127

Tue 08/20/19 06:21 PM

Ya know, when I hear of someone’s passing that did not do good in this world,
I always seem to get sad. Because I know whoever they hurt, it will open
the wound again. I always think of them and hope they are able to deal with
it and maybe even get some type of closure.
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ciretom

Tue 08/20/19 07:00 PM

is it ok to be happy that certain people die or am I wrong to feel that kind of joy?

Not really something for anyone else to judge.

I have absolutely no idea why it's making you "happy." If it's even truly making you "happy," or you're just categorizing it as "happy." It could really be something more complex but you have no desire/ability to really pick it apart and figure out what it really is (or maybe you just didn't want to type it out here).

I mean a lot of people think they're "happy" when it's really just a reduction of stress/pain.

I can only really judge if you're the type that starts dwelling more and more in schadenfreude and after so long just feeling happy in the deaths of others you start doing things, behaving in ways, that create situations that are harmful to others because you want to feel "happy."

Creating those situations would be "wrong."

But whatever you're feeling, I have no real idea as to the actual "why" and I can't actually trust you to know. I don't know you. You're a stranger.

So whether or not it's "wrong" or "okay" for you to feel any certain way?
Not for me to judge. As an adult, that's for you to figure out for yourself. At best seek the guidance of real life peers that actually know you and have direct personal experience with your emotional states and what behavior it leads to over time.

I can judge the behavior of seeking out the opinions of random strangers on the internet, but that would be off topic. As to your "feelings?" Not for me to judge.
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Tom4Uhere

Tue 08/20/19 09:08 PM

I don't grieve when somone I love dies, why should I grieve when someone I don't care about dies?
My dad was in a lot of pain before he died.
I didn't kill him but I felt relief when he finally died.

When a terrorist, rapist or murder dies, I am indifferent.
I guess I'm fortunate not to have those in my personal life?

Everybody dies.
I do not fear death myself.
Its all part of the process of existing.

As over-population becomes more and more evident, many will die.
Its inevitable.
The alternative is species extinction in which everybody dies.
Hopefully, I will go before the masses cause I certainly don't want to experience that mess.

I died already once, was revived in time.
I have always felt a bit of resentment for that.
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Susan

Wed 08/21/19 05:09 AM

HiMikey, :slight_smile:

I don't think it's wrong to be glad that terrible people are dead. I am glad when child-abusers, rapists and Terrorists, and the like are dead, because they aren't able to hurt people here anymore.

As far as people in my personal life that have hurt me whom have died, I have found it doesn't really help me, or give me any satisfaction.
I still have to come to terms and make peace with it, whether they r alive or dead.

Just don't give the "pleasure " or satisfaction much strength, or you will pollute your thoughts with too much hate.

I understand what you're saying, though.

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Unknow

Wed 08/21/19 05:16 AM

Thank you Susan flowerforyou
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Susan

Wed 08/21/19 08:56 AM

Ur Welcome Mikey :slight_smile:
Hey Mikey, been thinking about this thread and it brought me back to darker days here in Ireland, just after watching a doc on the BBC called "The day Mountbatten died" on that day there were also 18 British soldiers from the Para's killed by the IRA, and I remember the writing on the walls around Belfast - "13 dead and not forgotten, we got 18 and Mountbatten" of course referring to "Bloody Sunday" in Derry, and another of the time was "How do you know Mountbatten had dandruff? They found his head and shoulders on the beach."
Another doc on the BBC last week about the years of conflict here and Ex Members of the SAS who had ambushed an killed 8 IRA men in Tyrone, were interviewed and asked how they felt about it, they said "they delighted in it and had a party that evening with the cook baking them a cake to celebrate"
What I'm getting at is, they were all some mothers sons, doing what they believed to be right, do you think it is ok to glorify in the deaths of an enemy?

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Unknow

Wed 08/21/19 09:20 AM

Hi Dino, yes I remember. It was Warrenpoint?
Well very sad days, and I should say when I wrote this thread I shouldn't have put 'terrorists ' to be included. I guess like most of us we think terrorists as rag heads like 9-11, London bridge, Manchester arena and so on.
The point I wanted to make was more on a personal level. A holes round town etc, you know the type.
I don't know how you define the irish scene. but, definitely, everyone is someone's son :thumbsup:
It's the innocent people that get caught up in it like the big one in that town on a Saturday afternoon. can't remember what it was.
But it's going on everyday somewhere in the world. And often state sponsored!
We had a couple of bombs here in the day.
I think unless you live it you don't really know.
Like 911. Made a lot of people think!
I hope they get there act together. people in Ireland don't need it :thumbsup:
Yeah I understood that, too man A-Holes and not enough bullets.

Yes Warrenpoint, you right about the word "Terrorist" it always gets a reaction..

Was just looking your opinion on that kind of glorification, fair enough response, looking back it's pretty fecked up, I always thought about the familys who's sons had their names bandied about in such a cruel way, but I suppose anger brings out the worst in people..

Still your round anywayz..winking
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Unknow

Wed 08/21/19 09:36 AM


Yeah I understood that, too man A-Holes and not enough bullets.

Yes Warrenpoint, you right about the word "Terrorist" it always gets a reaction..

Was just looking your opinion on that kind of glorification, fair enough response, looking back it's pretty fecked up, I always thought about the familys who's sons had their names bandied about in such a cruel way, but I suppose anger brings out the worst in people..

Still your round anywayz..winking

drinks only one, I think you've had enough this week laugh

No, some situations are different and shouldn't be glorified.
Remember Hillsborough, I have a very controversial opinion on that but can't say, I've run it past people over the years, not good laugh
I used to go to Belfast just after it went quite, falls road industry area.
They were great guys. I used to drive a truck and took stuff there from Sweden :thumbsup:


Yeah I understood that, too man A-Holes and not enough bullets.

Yes Warrenpoint, you right about the word "Terrorist" it always gets a reaction..

Was just looking your opinion on that kind of glorification, fair enough response, looking back it's pretty fecked up, I always thought about the familys who's sons had their names bandied about in such a cruel way, but I suppose anger brings out the worst in people..

Still your round anywayz..winking

drinks only one, I think you've had enough this week laugh

No, some situations are different and shouldn't be glorified.
Remember Hillsborough, I have a very controversial opinion on that but can't say, I've run it past people over the years, not good laugh
I used to go to Belfast just after it went quite, falls road industry area.
They were great guys. I used to drive a truck and took stuff there from Sweden :thumbsup:

One can never stop at one..drinker

Mountbatten's Granddaughter said at the end of the show "Forgiveness is important, we have to move on." which I thought was very brave.

So that's where all the dodgy Swedish gear came from?.laugh

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Larsi666 😽

Wed 08/21/19 09:44 AM

Okay ... I didn't grow up in Ireland. But the "Troubles" got plenty of coverage on the telly in Germany. Take a wee lad like me, looking at kids in my age, being pelted with rubber bullets, because they threw stones at tanks. Hearing of unfair voting rights. Looking at Orangemen, parading through Republican Areas.

And the worst thing is, nobody wants to admit, who fired the first bullet, and everything else was tit-for-tat :cry:
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Unknow

Wed 08/21/19 09:46 AM




Yeah I understood that, too man A-Holes and not enough bullets.

Yes Warrenpoint, you right about the word "Terrorist" it always gets a reaction..

Was just looking your opinion on that kind of glorification, fair enough response, looking back it's pretty fecked up, I always thought about the familys who's sons had their names bandied about in such a cruel way, but I suppose anger brings out the worst in people..

Still your round anywayz..winking

drinks only one, I think you've had enough this week laugh

No, some situations are different and shouldn't be glorified.
Remember Hillsborough, I have a very controversial opinion on that but can't say, I've run it past people over the years, not good laugh
I used to go to Belfast just after it went quite, falls road industry area.
They were great guys. I used to drive a truck and took stuff there from Sweden :thumbsup:

One can never stop at one..drinker

Mountbatten's Granddaughter said at the end of the show "Forgiveness is important, we have to move on." which I thought was very brave.

So that's where all the dodgy Swedish gear came from?.laugh



Yes, very brave.
Loving the bling on your profile, think I need a diamond as soon as these stolen trucks full of whiskey get unloaded laugh :thumbsup:
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Unknow

Wed 08/21/19 09:48 AM


Okay ... I didn't grow up in Ireland. But the "Troubles" got plenty of coverage on the telly in Germany. Take a wee lad like me, looking at kids in my age, being pelted with rubber bullets, because they threw stones at tanks. Hearing of unfair voting rights. Looking at Orangemen, parading through Republican Areas.

And the worst thing is, nobody wants to admit, who fired the first bullet, and everything else was tit-for-tat :cry:

According to Merkel you didn't grow up in Germany either, that's why you got deported laugh
Yes, same here larsi




Yeah I understood that, too man A-Holes and not enough bullets.

Yes Warrenpoint, you right about the word "Terrorist" it always gets a reaction..

Was just looking your opinion on that kind of glorification, fair enough response, looking back it's pretty fecked up, I always thought about the familys who's sons had their names bandied about in such a cruel way, but I suppose anger brings out the worst in people..

Still your round anywayz..winking

drinks only one, I think you've had enough this week laugh

No, some situations are different and shouldn't be glorified.
Remember Hillsborough, I have a very controversial opinion on that but can't say, I've run it past people over the years, not good laugh
I used to go to Belfast just after it went quite, falls road industry area.
They were great guys. I used to drive a truck and took stuff there from Sweden :thumbsup:

One can never stop at one..drinker

Mountbatten's Granddaughter said at the end of the show "Forgiveness is important, we have to move on." which I thought was very brave.

So that's where all the dodgy Swedish gear came from?.laugh



Yes, very brave.
Loving the bling on your profile, think I need a diamond as soon as these stolen trucks full of whiskey get unloaded laugh :thumbsup:

Had to adore it, was lookin a bit shabby after you put the trucks on yours..laugh
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Unknow

Wed 08/21/19 09:51 AM

I'm thinking maybe a middle finger would have been better laugh

Okay ... I didn't grow up in Ireland. But the "Troubles" got plenty of coverage on the telly in Germany. Take a wee lad like me, looking at kids in my age, being pelted with rubber bullets, because they threw stones at tanks. Hearing of unfair voting rights. Looking at Orangemen, parading through Republican Areas.

And the worst thing is, nobody wants to admit, who fired the first bullet, and everything else was tit-for-tat :cry:

As I said Larsi, dialogue is the only answer, change is happening, but at too slow a pace, but at least things are improving, the securocrats need to be told to feck aff and let the peoples wishes be met.