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I_love_bluegrass

Thu 01/23/20 10:27 AM


Best President of my lifetime. He's the real deal, draining the swamp and they are the ones that are against him. Would be nice to have a government that represents the people, not opportunists looking for their millions, Swamp creatures, get rid of them, term limits 4 years for every gov position. Kids can't be on boards of anything. Keep these cheaters honest, problem will go away in 6 months.


Dude...he is NOT "representing the people" (unless you areone of the very wealthy)..
He wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, which are NOT "entitlements", but things all US workers contribute towards all theor working lives.
And what all seniors depend on to get by...
You know what IS an "entitlement"?
Tax cuts and loopholes for corprorations...which is why we have such a huge defecit......howe about reining *those* instead, eh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/us/politics/medicare-trump.html

Also, you said "Kids can't be on boards of anything"..
HIS kids are in key posititon....I guess that is OK with you, but where *I* am from..that is called "nepotism,"..

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oldkid46

Thu 01/23/20 11:43 AM



Best President of my lifetime. He's the real deal, draining the swamp and they are the ones that are against him. Would be nice to have a government that represents the people, not opportunists looking for their millions, Swamp creatures, get rid of them, term limits 4 years for every gov position. Kids can't be on boards of anything. Keep these cheaters honest, problem will go away in 6 months.


Dude...he is NOT "representing the people" (unless you areone of the very wealthy)..
He wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, which are NOT "entitlements", but things all US workers contribute towards all theor working lives.
And what all seniors depend on to get by...
You know what IS an "entitlement"?
Tax cuts and loopholes for corprorations...which is why we have such a huge defecit......howe about reining *those* instead, eh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/us/politics/medicare-trump.html

Also, you said "Kids can't be on boards of anything"..
HIS kids are in key posititon....I guess that is OK with you, but where *I* am from..that is called "nepotism,"..


You say he is "NOT representing the people". He is representing the hard working men and women who PAY the taxes. He is NOT representing the people who expect the government to support them. I also believe their are no cuts to Medicare but their are some proposed for Medicaid. Those Social Security "cuts" you speak of must be in the COLA used or in the SSI program. Would love to hear your interpretation of the Social Security and Medicare cuts you reference.
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I_love_bluegrass

Thu 01/23/20 12:15 PM




You say he is "NOT representing the people". He is representing the hard working men and women who PAY the taxes. He is NOT representing the people who expect the government to support them. I also believe their are no cuts to Medicare but their are some proposed for Medicaid. Those Social Security "cuts" you speak of must be in the COLA used or in the SSI program. Would love to hear your interpretation of the Social Security and Medicare cuts you reference.


If you read the link, it explains that..
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Thu 01/23/20 12:16 PM
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Thu 01/23/20 01:18 PM

from that link:
President Trump suggested on Wednesday that he would be willing to consider cuts to social safety-net programs like Medicare to reduce the federal deficit if he wins a second term,

Asked in an interview with CNBC if cuts to entitlements would ever be on his plate, Mr. Trump answered yes.

“At some point they will be,” Mr. Trump said, before pointing to United States economic growth. “At the right time, we will take a look at that.”

So it is something Trump and his administration are willing to look at. Nothing planned, nothing proposed, only wanting to look at when the time is right. We all know the current safety net programs are not sustainable as they currently are. In most cases, additional revenue and reduced benefits will be required to provide long term stability to the programs. The sooner we start looking at these programs, the less painful the changes will need to be. Minor adjustments should have been made 20-30 years ago!!!!
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I_love_bluegrass

Thu 01/23/20 01:48 PM


from that link:
President Trump suggested on Wednesday that he would be willing to consider cuts to social safety-net programs like Medicare to reduce the federal deficit if he wins a second term,

Asked in an interview with CNBC if cuts to entitlements would ever be on his plate, Mr. Trump answered yes.

“At some point they will be,” Mr. Trump said, before pointing to United States economic growth. “At the right time, we will take a look at that.”

So it is something Trump and his administration are willing to look at. Nothing planned, nothing proposed, only wanting to look at when the time is right. We all know the current safety net programs are not sustainable as they currently are. In most cases, additional revenue and reduced benefits will be required to provide long term stability to the programs. The sooner we start looking at these programs, the less painful the changes will need to be. Minor adjustments should have been made 20-30 years ago!!!!


If he would roll back the tax cuts to the wealthy and corporation to the levels they were when Reagan took office (from 1950 to 1980..when we ironically had largest period of middle-class growth), things would be better..

This explains it better than *I* can:

http://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/gop-tax-rate-cut-wealthy/

Also..funny how there is never money for programs which people paid into their whole working lives (Social Security and Medicare), but..oddly somehow, there's ~all kinds~ of money to fight useless wars... huh
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Thu 01/23/20 01:49 PM
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oldkid46

Thu 01/23/20 06:05 PM

Back when I was working, all the overtime I wanted was available. My income level was in the upper 20%. I would look at my after tax income to decide if I wanted that overtime. If I could hire someone to do my at home work for less than my net pay, I would hire them and work the OT. When it got to where it was not financially to my advantage, I'd turn down the OT. Tax rates do make a difference in reality.

I think most upper income people would not have a problem with higher individual income tax rates if the government didn't throw all the money away. I would have a hard time paying more in taxes so someone else could have a better lifestyle without earning it. It is NOT the responsibility of society to support those who are unwilling to support themselves!!!

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I_love_bluegrass

Fri 01/24/20 08:43 AM


Back when I was working, all the overtime I wanted was available. My income level was in the upper 20%. I would look at my after tax income to decide if I wanted that overtime. If I could hire someone to do my at home work for less than my net pay, I would hire them and work the OT. When it got to where it was not financially to my advantage, I'd turn down the OT. Tax rates do make a difference in reality.

I think most upper income people would not have a problem with higher individual income tax rates if the government didn't throw all the money away. I would have a hard time paying more in taxes so someone else could have a better lifestyle without earning it. It is NOT the responsibility of society to support those who are unwilling to support themselves!!!




But, sweetie...we are NOT talking about govenrment throwing you money away (do you include useless, long-running wars in that catagory?)...or "so someone else could have a better lifestyle without earning it", or "to support those who are unwilling to support themselves"....
We are talking about programs that people paid into all their working lives being cut...
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Fri 01/24/20 08:48 AM

One of the last good Emperor's?
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oldkid46

Fri 01/24/20 09:38 AM



Back when I was working, all the overtime I wanted was available. My income level was in the upper 20%. I would look at my after tax income to decide if I wanted that overtime. If I could hire someone to do my at home work for less than my net pay, I would hire them and work the OT. When it got to where it was not financially to my advantage, I'd turn down the OT. Tax rates do make a difference in reality.

I think most upper income people would not have a problem with higher individual income tax rates if the government didn't throw all the money away. I would have a hard time paying more in taxes so someone else could have a better lifestyle without earning it. It is NOT the responsibility of society to support those who are unwilling to support themselves!!!




But, sweetie...we are NOT talking about govenrment throwing you money away (do you include useless, long-running wars in that catagory?)...or "so someone else could have a better lifestyle without earning it", or "to support those who are unwilling to support themselves"....
We are talking about programs that people paid into all their working lives being cut...
The only programs I can think of that people or someone on their behalf paid into are workman's comp, unemployment insurance, medicare, and social security. I sincerely doubt any of those will be actually cut. I can see requiring more years of paying into SS and Medicare for the benefits. I can see an increase in my medicare premiums. I can see using a different COLA to reduce benefit growth. The problem is that there is not enough money coming into those programs to sustain them for the long term. This is an issue Congress should have addressed many years ago but they will not until the crisis is here. Most of the dems only want to raise taxes while most of the repubs want to reduce the benefits. The actual answers are somewhere in between but compromise in Congress is a dirty word seldom spoken. You can see this in the dems reaction to Trump's suggestion he is open to looking at changes. It is exactly the headline you used and is only to score political points!!!!!!
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I_love_bluegrass

Fri 01/24/20 10:22 AM




But, sweetie...we are NOT talking about govenrment throwing you money away (do you include useless, long-running wars in that catagory?)...or "so someone else could have a better lifestyle without earning it", or "to support those who are unwilling to support themselves"....
We are talking about programs that people paid into all their working lives being cut...





The only programs I can think of that people or someone on their behalf paid into are workman's comp, unemployment insurance, medicare, and social security. I sincerely doubt any of those will be actually cut. I can see requiring more years of paying into SS and Medicare for the benefits. I can see an increase in my medicare premiums. I can see using a different COLA to reduce benefit growth. The problem is that there is not enough money coming into those programs to sustain them for the long term. This is an issue Congress should have addressed many years ago but they will not until the crisis is here. Most of the dems only want to raise taxes while most of the repubs want to reduce the benefits. The actual answers are somewhere in between but compromise in Congress is a dirty word seldom spoken. You can see this in the dems reaction to Trump's suggestion he is open to looking at changes. It is exactly the headline you used and is only to score political points!!!!!!


So..you are perfeclly OK with your tax dollars being thrown away on endless, useless wars...?
We've been in the Middle East for *how* many years now?
Have we settled anything?
Resolved anything?
Nope...that area is a tinderbox, and we should leave it alone..and focus on using the oil we now EXPORT from this country (to sell on the world market, while *importing* Middle East oil) for our OWN country, so we won't be dependant on the good will of the regimes in the Middle East.

Plus, you did not address how the corporate and wealthy taxes were *much* higher between 1950 anbd 1980...the period when me had the baby Boom, and huge growth in the middle class, and built the interstate system, etc....
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Fri 01/24/20 10:24 AM
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Fri 01/24/20 11:58 AM

The immense growth in the 50s and 60s was fueled by the end of war, the GI bill, and the large number of returning servicemen. Marriage and births increased significantly along with the desire for homes. Huge building boom that created a demand for workers which was filled by the returning GIs. During that time, taxes were higher and the government and the economy were switching from a military basis to a consumer base. Too both improve our highway infrastructure and create more jobs for the returning GIs, we embarked on building the internet highway system based on the European highway design.

In the 70's we had the oil crisis and a downward spiral in the economy. That also was the time when government initiated many of the social programs as a result of the "Great Society". Taxes remained high and the economy struggled until the Reagan tax cuts in 1981. Even with that stimulus, the economy struggled because of the price and shortage of oil. The economy finally started to make a decent recovery through the 90's. That ended in 2000 and the economy again struggled for many years with the major crash in 2008. It has taken a number of years to recover from the 2000-2008 time period.

The Obama administration was able to stabilize the financial system and we slowly started on the road to recovery although very anemically. I don't believe the economy recovered to the pre 2008 levels until well into Obama's 2nd term. Today we continue with the economic expansion from 2012 and it has accelerated under Trump from both the tax cut stimulus and the regulatory reductions. Now we are entering into new trade agreement which should continue the economic growth. We need to get our economy to where there is very little need for social programs to help most people. The best social program is a job for everyone!



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I_love_bluegrass

Fri 01/24/20 03:20 PM



We need to get our economy to where there is very little need for social programs to help most people. The best social program is a job for everyone!




Two things:

(1.) You best be thankful there IS Social Security and medicare as you get older..
Back before there wwere such programs...old people were relegated yo "homes", or shu ted between various family member..something that can;r readily happen these days, and can't be done if one was adopted and doesn;t have amny extended family....or was an onloychild and have no extended family of their owm

I have volunteered at nursing homes in the past...and many of those people DO have family within 50 miles..but they can't be bothered...
One shouldn;t have to live out their days with someone that can't stand having them around and resents them being there....
Social Security and low-income housing for seniors helps make sure they can live independantly.

(2.) Sure...a job for everyone..
You mean a minimum wage job at WalMart or any numer of other places, where many of the full-time workers still need food stamps to get by?
Oh..get a second (and third) job, you say?
Fine....but you'd better hope your various bosses will work with your schedules, allow travel time, and you have enough time off to care for your family, get enough sleep, and so forth.

Most jobs that have been created lately are low-paying service type jobs....
Not everyone has the intelligence to attaend college...so,that is not a panacea to fix the problem for all people, especially older workers..
We need good paying jobs, with benefits, so people can work *one* full time job, raise a family....put some aside for an emergency...
Also?
Nowadys, teachers have to buy classroom supplies out of their own pocket....something they didn't have to do in years past..

Many of the goods paying jobs that people used to have were sent overseas under Bush Sr....he should have put his foot down about that...

But, we're never going to agree...so, I'm done here..

Peace.



Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Fri 01/24/20 03:21 PM
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Sun 01/26/20 10:56 PM

Senior military and Trump administration officials had said on Jan. 8 that 11 Iranian missiles had caused “no casualties, no friendly casualties, whether they are U.S., coalition, contractor, etc.

US troops were injured in Iran missile attack despite Pentagon initially saying there were no casualties

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/service-members-injured-iran-strike/index.html
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Buford

Mon 01/27/20 02:47 PM

Trump is a disgrace. But the problem is worse than that. Other countries' leaders are following his example. If every country cares only about themselves than things are very bad. I think Trump would have done very well as a Nazi. If you've read anything about the Nazis I think you will agree with me.
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mysticalview21

Mon 01/27/20 03:32 PM


Trump is a disgrace. But the problem is worse than that. Other countries' leaders are following his example. If every country cares only about themselves than things are very bad. I think Trump would have done very well as a Nazi. If you've read anything about the Nazis I think you will agree with me.


you could start with that ... he wants to be a dictator ... but his ties with Israel along side his son in law ...Jared Corey Kushner & fam ... is a pretty compelling case in its self ... if u read what they have been doing ... as they try and disgrace the Biden's today ...


and to say know wittiness... so Bolton could not come in ... all they are doing is covering their A**es ...


I believe it all should have gone to the courts ...outside the walls of the white house ... so know one could refuse subpoena... including the President...
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mysticalview21

Tue 01/28/20 05:06 AM



Trump is a disgrace. But the problem is worse than that. Other countries' leaders are following his example. If every country cares only about themselves than things are very bad. I think Trump would have done very well as a Nazi. If you've read anything about the Nazis I think you will agree with me.


you could start with that ... he wants to be a dictator ... but his ties with Israel along side his son in law ...Jared Corey Kushner & fam ... is a pretty compelling case in its self ... if u read what they have been doing ... as they try and disgrace the Biden's today sounds familiar ... seems they contradicted them selves with the constitution on many parts ... first it is an can be the house to bring these things to our attention...
due to even a misdemeanor... which is light in the constitution ... which of course was more and a file of abuse of power ... the house showed all of this ... and by the constitution ... maybe not like all presidents but this is not who they where talking about ... trumps lawyers talked about the past ... I still say they had a right to bring this up ...on abuse of power ...do to some dates & wittiness and the ones... senates would not allow to speak ... I would also like to say I have know problem with Israel... just about the similarity with in these family's ... that are being talked about ...


and to say know wittiness... so Bolton could not come in ... all they are doing is covering their A**es ... and do not want the truth to come out at this time ...


I believe it all should have gone to the courts ...outside the walls of the white house ... so know one could refuse subpoena... including the President... but hey what do I know ... they will keep saying bring this to the voters ... so know one senator can be cought up ... in these practices ...
you could start with that ... he wants to be a dictator ... but his ties with Israel along side his son in law ...Jared Corey Kushner & fam ... is a pretty compelling case in its self ... if u read what they have been doing ... as they try and disgrace the Biden's today sounds familiar ... seems they contradicted them selves with the constitution on many parts ... first it is an can be the house to bring these things to are attention...
due to even a misdemeanor... which is light in the constitution ... which of course was more and a file of abuse of power ... the house showed all of this ... and by the constitution ... maybe not like all presidents but this is not who they where talking about ... trumps l;lawyers talked about the past ... I still say they had a right to bring this up ...on abuse of power ...do to some dates & wittiness and the ones... senates would not allow to speak ... I would also like to say I have know problem with Israel... just about the similarity with in these family's ... that are being talked about ...


and to say know wittiness... so Bolton could not come in ... all they are doing is covering their A**es ... and do not want the truth to come out at this time ...


I believe it all should have gone to the courts ...outside the walls of the white house ... so know one could refuse subpoena... including the President... but hey what do I know ... they will keep saying bring this to the voters ... so know one senator can be cought up ... in these bad practices the president has brought on himself with his dishonesty ...




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Edited by mysticalview21 on Tue 01/28/20 05:30 AM
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Wed 01/29/20 09:35 PM

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln).
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mysticalview21

Thu 01/30/20 07:23 AM

:thumbsup: very true ... but agree ...
they should be able to call wittiness ...

if this is a trial ... then why would you not want wittiness ...

if they don't it will show he is above the law ... never in history ...
that I can recall ... having a trial at this magnitude not have...
any wittiness ...


if they come back to say no time for this ... they must consider an act for the people of the United States ...not just themselves ...
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oldkid46

Thu 01/30/20 10:11 AM

Either both sides call witnesses or neither. Dems only want a couple of their choosing!! I would like to know a lot more about Burisma and Hunter Biden! The whole Ukrainian story over the years is not very good!!
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I_love_bluegrass

Thu 01/30/20 12:05 PM


Either both sides call witnesses or neither. Dems only want a couple of their choosing!! I would like to know a lot more about Burisma and Hunter Biden! The whole Ukrainian story over the years is not very good!!



Trump's daughter works at the White House
Her husband works at the White House
Rudy's son works at the White House
Barr's daughter works at the Treasury
Barr's son-in-law works at the White House
Trump's sons do foreign business
His daughter is getting Chinese patents and Saudi grants

But, sure..let's talk about Biden....