Before I start slam dunkin' on y'all, I want to point out that LAB GROWN MEAT and WORKING CLASS PEOPLE HOLDING CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE is the most likely solution to this crisis. Meat is delicious and (usually) healthy, and can be more delicious and healthy when it's grown in a lab. It's just expensive to produce, but as time goes on, research will get it down to quite cheap. Also, learn to experiment with soybeans, quinoa, and lentils. ;)
Edit: Also, if you can't find legitimate, academic or scientific evidence of what I'm saying (not conspiracy theory blog posts) via Googling my phrases (I tried that for your guys' info) then feel free to ask for a source. I have access to academia.edu, JSTOR and other things. More than happy to pirate a PDF for you folks.
But, all in all, a lot of pseudoscientific nonsense here. I recommend you all do a basic read-up on SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT and stop listening to old dudes with poor lighting in their bedroom who don't know how to angle a webcam.
Here's a good one for you- How much feed does it take to get a turkey to weigh 25 pounds?
I can't speak for turkeys, but broiler chickens add edible meat to their body at a 4:1 ratio. Grass fed beef is (I believe) 17:1 and grain fed beef is 54:1.
What did you give up for Global Warming or acid rain? All proven to be money grabbing hoaxes.
Post your sources. Legitimate ones.
The climate has changed for as long as there has been a climate.
Certainly not at the rate that it has now. And even so, there are things we can do to control it.
In reality, I don't think that there's enough arable and viable agricultural land to feed everyone and meat contains vital and essential elements that you don't find elsewhere.
In reality, there certainly is. In fact, that land being used to feed animals is much less efficient than just growing crops. And to say that you can't get things from meat in other sources? Nonsense. There are tons of vegan bodybuilders.
If we all suddenly switched to eating loads of wegetables and stuff, wouldn't we then become the primary source of greenhouse gas?
See my comment about adding another production of gas between ours. Besides, cows farting (lol, I'm immature) isn't necessarily the main issue; yes methane is a big deal but in general we're wasting a lot of the nutrients in our soil. And no, cow fertilizer doesn't replenish it as quickly as it's taken away.
I find it VERY hard to believe that livestock and cattle produce as much or more as all vehicles and planes combined.
You're correct! Corporations by and large do way more pollution than individuals. You don't have to go vegan. What you should due is lobby against large corporations. You sound smart, what else do you have to say on the issue?
So much so that I do not believe it. I believe this is all part of the huge scam of Codex Alimentarius which was designed shortly after WW2 by ppl in America and ex Nazi scientist, also in America, to control the world population with food.
Oof. A conspiracy so vast that it would have leaked with irrefutable evidence by now. No thanks, I'll stick to actual verifiable methods we have.
In some twisted fantasy, you could say the removal of mass quanities of fish from the ocean might cause the oceans to cool because there is not as much movement in the oceans.
Glad you admit it's a twisted fantasy. But overfishing destroys the entire food chain, that's the main problem. It's very real. Tuna should be way, way more expensive than it is, considering the damage it does to the environment when you eat it. Farmed tuna is quite a bit better choice, but still not perfect.
Our species global population is nearing 10 billion.
You can Google "overpopulation myth" and find some fascinating modern evidence on how our crisis is way more political. We could theoretically hold up to 25 billion people on our planet. But yes, allowing women publicly subsidized access to birth control, and giving GOOD QUALITY, EMOTIONALLY CONNECTING SEX EDUCATION to our kids is a great solution.
I'm tired of hypocrites who use thousands of times the resources that I do, that I and people like me need to give up this or that, eat insects etc to save the planet, when they have no intention of giving up anything.
I'm sorry, who are those people? Seems a strawman argument to me, but feel free to counter.
I'm not giving up eating beef. Just because some nut jobs think that's going to save the world doesn't mean I have to follow. If they'd stop tearing down state forests the trees would suck up all the farts so we wouldn't have to smell them.
"Nut jobs" as in scientists? People who dedicate their lives to understanding biology and agriculture? But hey, great point about how deforestation is a huge issue.
Anthropogenic climate change is largely mythological.
I've yet to see a REAL SOURCE on this and I've been trying for more than a decade.
At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago.
A lot of what's in your long post is certainly true, but nobody is debating any of that. At all. All we're saying is that in the last few hundred years, and especially the last decade, we're making way more of a negative impact on the planet than any other species has before.
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potato420
on Thu 01/09/20 04:44 AM