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Topic: Is the Anti-Christ one individual?
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tdion

Sat 03/14/20 08:30 PM


Is it possible for a Christian to be the antichrist ???? I think so .. many proclaim to be for Christ but in fact are only for him when it suits them :angel:


God does not deal with nominations, but with individuals and nations.
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tdion

Sat 03/14/20 08:33 PM




No Where in the bible is stated that SATAN is the antichrist. You correctly stated that antichrist are those who are against Jesus and of course against the Father.
[1 John 2:22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

My question to you is, who is the liar and deceiver that held up a false image, saying they are Christ?



If you put it that way, then

John 8:44 - Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

-Satan is the liar... and the father of it


John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

-Jesus is the light of this whole world.

2 Corinthians
Chapter 11:10-15
10As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
11Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

-As it is stated that as the FALSE apostles are transformed into apostles of Christ, Satan is transformed into a angel of light. Since Satan is the father of lies and is transformed into Jesus who is the angel of light, but speaks lies that is against christ is the Antichrist.


I can see that your intentions are okay! However, sometimes we can reference verses without grasping the true meaning of it. Therefore we must understand the precepts.

1. You selected the correct verse but misunderstood the verse [John 8:44].
This verse was not directed to Satan but to a child of Satan, hence Christ said: "Ye are of your father" the Devil. Meaning a "child of Satan" in the flesh.
The word Devil means lair or deceiver. So, when somebody is a deceiver then he is expressing the characteristics of the Spiritual Demon Satan, which makes him a child of Satan. Thusly, we have the children of God and the Children of Satan.

2. Christ never spoke to the whole world. The world which Christ spoke to was the world of the Jews or the synagogue where the Jews always resorted. See [John 18:20].

3. In [John 8:12] Christ is referencing not the whole world but the world of [John 18:20] which is the world of the Jews. The word world can have several meanings which do not mean the earth, but a group or society with common aims and interest, such as the sports world and the animal world etc. This is the same world which Christ mentioned in [John 3:16] which probably is, the most famous verse in the bible.

4. I also noticed that you didn't understand what I meant with the "false image".
The image is called "the image of the beast" in the book of revelation.
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Edited by tdion on Sat 03/14/20 08:54 PM
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SeantheChristian

Sun 03/15/20 09:56 PM

Matthew 28:16-20

16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:8 Context

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


-Seems like Jesus and his disciples didnt just talk to the jews
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tdion

Mon 03/16/20 02:19 PM


Matthew 28:16-20

16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:8 Context

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


-Seems like Jesus and his disciples didnt just talk to the jews


Christ commanded his disciples to go to all nations, because the Jews were and are still scattered into all nations, as a punishment by God, for their disobedient. This disbursement is today know as the "African diaspora". Christ explicitly commanded his disciples to go NOT into the ways of the Gentiles. See [Mathew 10:5 and 6].

Occasionally Christ had encounters with other nations but his mission was never the whole world. [Matthew 15:24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[James 4:4] Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. This verse is contrary to [John 3:16] where God was supposed to love the whole world.
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SeantheChristian

Tue 03/17/20 10:42 AM

Romans 15:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

-It goes to say that it would have been easier you would think to bring people to the word of Christ who already knew of the old testament/Torah/Tenakh. Then the apostles along with the people they converted would try to convert any gentile they could.

Psalm 18
48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.
49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

-Jesus has quoted many old testament verses including the ones from the book of psalm. Jesus loves the whole world, which is why "he will" so to speak give thanks to the lord while being among the heathen. You preach to the gentiles, but dont go "into the way" of the Gentiles, in other words dont be influenced by the ways of Satan by staying out of satan city (city of samaritans). Back then they preached to the lost sheep and perhaps to the gentiles, but as there were only 12 it would make sense as you said to "preach to the lost sheep" who already knew of the tenakh.
Edited by SeantheChristian on Tue 03/17/20 10:46 AM
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tdion

Tue 03/17/20 05:26 PM


Romans 15:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

-It goes to say that it would have been easier you would think to bring people to the word of Christ who already knew of the old testament/Torah/Tenakh. Then the apostles along with the people they converted would try to convert any gentile they could.

Psalm 18
48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.
49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

-Jesus has quoted many old testament verses including the ones from the book of psalm. Jesus loves the whole world, which is why "he will" so to speak give thanks to the lord while being among the heathen. You preach to the gentiles, but dont go "into the way" of the Gentiles, in other words dont be influenced by the ways of Satan by staying out of satan city (city of samaritans). Back then they preached to the lost sheep and perhaps to the gentiles, but as there were only 12 it would make sense as you said to "preach to the lost sheep" who already knew of the tenakh.


You are missing an important point. There were Israelites who were called Gentiles because they went into Idolatry, and were also called uncircumcised because they didn't follow the covenant of Abraham. The Kingdom was split into Northern (3 tribes) and Southern (9 tribes) after King Solomon. The Gentiles Christ was referring to or who Paul wrote his letters too, were Israelites because they were among the Gentiles and forced to follow heathen customs.

Christ never preached to the heathen nations and Paul never wrote a letter to a heathen nation. I just showed showed you a verse were Christ said out of his own mouth that he was only sent, for the lost Sheep of the house of Israel. Are you saying that Christ is a liar??
Edited by tdion on Tue 03/17/20 05:27 PM