New poll shows that the current % of the United States is 23. When presented to experts the reply was, "Those who claim to be Libertarians don't know what it even means". So the percentage is way lower. Of cause in this man's opinion it has always been very low. Those who we call "Leftists" and other weidos, uninformed as well as many others waved the flag of Liberals for years. They did so to use the respect that Libertarians built up over centuries.

Nowadays Libertarian is a bad word. The erosion of deviants and others have destroyed it's reputation. Since other groups are more popular now the rats are leaving the ship. This is a good thing in my opinion because when no one who isn't a "true liberal" claims the title the damage can start to be repaired in ernus.

Can speculate on the real numbers which may be 18% or lower. The numbers don't really matter and never did. You either believe a certain way or you don't. There will always be posers of one thing or another. Especially if someone thinks they can get something for nothing or little efford.

A libertarian is NOT a liberal, far from it!!!! Most libertarians want a much smaller government while most liberals want a much larger government.

Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association and individual judgement. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems.

I think a definition of the word as context to how it is being used would be helfpul. For instance, conservative could mean someone who is opposed to ANY change. It can also mean someone who is opposed only to changing certain traditions but not opposed to all change. Liberal could mean a person who is open to change and 'progress' or it could mean someone who is not open to any standards are traditions and need everything to always change for everybody at all times.

It is hard to get people on the same page if the word they are discussing does not mean the same thing to those in on the discussion.

It's usually a good idea in any discussion to first define and agree on any technicsl terms you are going to be using: Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative etc but most people just jump straight in.

That's the major point of this poll. The definitions of the words have charged by others who want to confuse the situations. People think that Liberals are Anarchists and Libertarians are Socialists

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-difference-between-classical-liberalism-and-libertarianism/

So what I was getting at was we need to get back to the beginning. Way before things were corrupted.

The Political Compass test can at least be useful in establishing one's own position, which is a start. When I took it, I came out as a political Centrist, two cells towards Libertarian and one cell to the left of dead centre.

I don't remember what quizes I did on Google. On the one it had left and right. I scored dead center of the left's box. I don't believe it because the questions are normally vague on those tests. The one had Welfare mixed in with Food Stamps which isn't the same thing. Food Stamps are a helping hand for those who need it. Welfare is used so they don't need to get a job by the majority of those who are on it.

The compass is 360 degrees but they only have East and West. All those quizzes seem to be bent towards the author's bias. A quiz told me I was a Socialist because I believe Food Stamps and Job training programs are needed. Of cause this is to plug up holes in Capitalism. There's a major difference between a handful of social programs that help not full on socialism.