Topic: Health risks ... from illness... and how to prepare...
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SpaceCodet

Wed 03/04/20 09:23 AM

Oh, come off it with this Fear Mongering crap. You listen to dipsh'ts in the media who have their heads jammed up their as'es. You'll whined up as stupid as them.

Standard prevention techniques for not catching illnesses will work to stop you from getting the Chinese lab bug. Those at risk of dying have heart, lung and other such medical problems. Malnutrition is another factor for most all viruses/diseases.

Here's something. Why don't you live in a sterile chamber, ware hazmat suits w/ gas mask for when you go outside and a decontamination room to remove all foreign matter when you return home.
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Seamus

Wed 03/04/20 11:42 AM

I think that there's nothing to be worried about. For the vast majority of people, it's a mild infection that lasts for a short time. The five percent of people who contract it and go to the critical, breathing impaired stage are usually over eighty years of age or already have other serious health problems. Not much of a comfort to them, I agree but at something like a four percent mortality rate, I'll take those odds all day.
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Blondey111

Wed 03/04/20 06:36 PM


Oh, come off it with this Fear Mongering crap. You listen to dipsh'ts in the media who have their heads jammed up their as'es. You'll whined up as stupid as them.

Standard prevention techniques for not catching illnesses will work to stop you from getting the Chinese lab bug. Those at risk of dying have heart, lung and other such medical problems. Malnutrition is another factor for most all viruses/diseases.

Here's something. Why don't you live in a sterile chamber, ware hazmat suits w/ gas mask for when you go outside and a decontamination room to remove all foreign matter when you return home.
while it is true there is a lot of propaganda and fear mongering .. what is becoming clear is there is still so much that is unknown about this virus ..

what the experts think they know ...

It is not a flu !!!

although there are common symptoms between. Coronavirus and influenza (in the early stages)... Coronavirus is believed to have multiple modes of transmission .. droplet.. contact and faecal . A major concern now is that it may also be airborne and able to survive in the atmosphere .

Experts also cannot rule out the possibility that like chickenpox .. the virus may be able to lay dormant in someone who has recovered and potentially reinfect/mutate at a later stage . It is much too soon to have any understanding of host immunity from exposure and what this represents .,

Keep in mind also It may be sometime before an accurate mortality (death rate) can be determined . Most of the figures are based on Chinaโ€™s outcomes and are not indicative of pandemic death rates . If you look at the world map of infections .. it is clear ., this is just the beginning .. many countries are in the early stage of trying to contain sporadic spread . For some this will not be achievable .. especially third world countries and those with poor access to health resources and funding .,

It is believed the virus is capable of producing a Rapid pneumonia/severe sepsis which can overwhelm the bodyโ€™s immune system (known as a cytokine storm ) . Potentially this can lead to multi organ failure and death . On the positive side .. There are increasing reports that for many their exposure to the virus is mild . While vulnerable populations have been identified ..evidence has also demonstrated that there are exceptions and health/age does not guarantee a desirable outcome.

Knowledge is power ..(rely on legitimate medical advice rather than propaganda ) . Be aware .,, stay informed .. minimise risk . Plan and Be prepared .... look after your health and look after each other .., that is what you would do for most threat situations .

Disclaimer ..,, This is just my understanding of the situation currently .. .. I may or may not know what I am talking about :wink: bigsmile :waving At you through my hazmet suit tongue2


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SpaceCodet

Wed 03/04/20 09:53 PM



Oh, come off it with this Fear Mongering crap. You listen to dipsh'ts in the media who have their heads jammed up their as'es. You'll whined up as stupid as them.

Standard prevention techniques for not catching illnesses will work to stop you from getting the Chinese lab bug. Those at risk of dying have heart, lung and other such medical problems. Malnutrition is another factor for most all viruses/diseases.

Here's something. Why don't you live in a sterile chamber, ware hazmat suits w/ gas mask for when you go outside and a decontamination room to remove all foreign matter when you return home.
while it is true there is a lot of propaganda and fear mongering .. what is becoming clear is there is still so much that is unknown about this virus ..

what the experts think they know ...

It is not a flu !!!

although there are common symptoms between. Coronavirus and influenza (in the early stages)... Coronavirus is believed to have multiple modes of transmission .. droplet.. contact and faecal . A major concern now is that it may also be airborne and able to survive in the atmosphere .

Experts also cannot rule out the possibility that like chickenpox .. the virus may be able to lay dormant in someone who has recovered and potentially reinfect/mutate at a later stage . It is much too soon to have any understanding of host immunity from exposure and what this represents .,

Keep in mind also It may be sometime before an accurate mortality (death rate) can be determined . Most of the figures are based on Chinaโ€™s outcomes and are not indicative of pandemic death rates . If you look at the world map of infections .. it is clear ., this is just the beginning .. many countries are in the early stage of trying to contain sporadic spread . For some this will not be achievable .. especially third world countries and those with poor access to health resources and funding .,

It is believed the virus is capable of producing a Rapid pneumonia/severe sepsis which can overwhelm the bodyโ€™s immune system (known as a cytokine storm ) . Potentially this can lead to multi organ failure and death . On the positive side .. There are increasing reports that for many their exposure to the virus is mild . While vulnerable populations have been identified ..evidence has also demonstrated that there are exceptions and health/age does not guarantee a desirable outcome.

Knowledge is power ..(rely on legitimate medical advice rather than propaganda ) . Be aware .,, stay informed .. minimise risk . Plan and Be prepared .... look after your health and look after each other .., that is what you would do for most threat situations .

Disclaimer ..,, This is just my understanding of the situation currently .. .. I may or may not know what I am talking about :wink: bigsmile :waving At you through my hazmet suit tongue2




The media is owned and controlled by political factions. Hate and Fear Mongering is what they do. It's about manipulation so they can control people. They talk about left and right. Reality is that there's 360 degrees on the compass. Theocracy, Aristocracy, Technocracy and so on. The elitists want ancient Rome (them being the ruling class), the feminists want ancient Sparta where men are a mockery of themselves (manly-man), corporations want to be political states in amongst themselves forcing people to be slaves to their brands and the list goes on.

This bill that they're going to pass for the "Protection Against Copid 19" is most likely will be just as bad as some of the worst sh't they've past to remove Liberties from Americans. I wouldn't be surprised if other countries won't use this to pass some crap to further their ends. When it comes to politics, the job makes the person because power corrupts.

Most of the population doesn't have to worry that much about getting it. People like me do because my parents live next door. If they get it they're going to die. Others with certain health problems are at a high risk of death. This is reality and not some pipe dream.
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Ladywind7

Wed 03/04/20 10:06 PM

In New Zealand we have 3 cases now. Australia has sold out of toilet paper, of all things...
Opportunists there are selling loo roll for $5 a roll
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oldkid46

Thu 03/05/20 12:07 PM

Let me see if I have some idea of the risk for the US.
Currently there are less than 150 infected people with a population around 330 million. I guess that would be one be 1 infection per 2 million people. I Think the last death toll I heard was 11 - 12 people out of 330 million people. I believe that is about the chance of you getting killed by lightning sitting in your living room.

Now most of us expect the number of cases and the death toll to increase to a much higher number. Even if we had as many infected people as the entire world that would be less than 100,000 with less than 4000 deaths out of 330 million. I suspect something else will actually kill me - not Covid-19!!
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SparklingCrystal ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’Ž

Thu 03/05/20 12:44 PM

We got 82 confirmed cases now. That was a very steep increase. We had none for a long time, then 1, then 23, 38 and from 38 it jumped to 82. All this in a relatively short time.

I'm not in panic mode, nor in 'stock on shopping to the ceiling' mode.
I'm with SpaceCodet, all that fear-mongering, and you can drive yourself crazy too. I mean, washing your hands after you've picked up mail from the doormat?

All that fear keeps you in a very low vibration which also affects your immune system in a bad way.

Germany has gone up to 400 confirmed cases. I wished they'd put a stop to Germans coming here. Most of the German tourists here are from North Rhine-Westphalia, the state with the most confirmed cases.
Great! Get them all in! I say, stop them at the borders and send them the hell back till this is dying down.
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Rock

Thu 03/05/20 04:11 PM

Glad someone finally posted it.
Thank you, Blondey.

The coronavirus is NOT a flu.

.......

Matter of fact, there are a few different types
of corona viruses. The best known corona virus,
is the root cause of the COMMON COLD.

Given that tidbit, my thought is,
best prevention would be to prepare yourselves
for cold season.
Plenty of vitamin C.
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Blondey111

Fri 03/06/20 01:13 AM


If you think you have the coronavirus don't go to the hospital, Take colloidal silver it will kill everything made from a lab. Colloidal Silver was widely used more than a hundred years ago until antibiotics came along in WWII. You can make this yourself, there's instructions all over the web

https://www.honeycolony.com/article/amazing-benefits-of-silver/

https://www.silver-colloids.com/history-silver/

https://wishgranted.com/a-condensed-history-of-colloidal-silver/

www.researchgate.net


rock ... I wonโ€™t be taking CS.... it kills and disrupts haemostasis of healthy micro flora which play a vital role in the immune response . Some use Probiotics to try and rebalance flora (unsure how successful this is )

Curious why you came up with colloidal silver over .. coconut oil , honey or red bush tea laugh laugh . there are a lot of natural products claiming to have antiviral properties ... however .,, .. if current antiviral drugs are ineffective .. I donโ€™t believe natural therapies will halt or treat infection. .., ., but keep me posted waving




Edited by Blondey111 on Fri 03/06/20 01:15 AM
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Blondey111

Fri 03/06/20 01:23 AM


Glad someone finally posted it.
Thank you, Blondey.

The coronavirus is NOT a flu.

.......

Matter of fact, there are a few different types
of corona viruses. The best known corona virus,
is the root cause of the COMMON COLD.

Given that tidbit, my thought is,
best prevention would be to prepare yourselves
for cold season.
Plenty of vitamin C.

My pleasure rock biggrin

was just reading another article claiming there are already two strains of the virus .. one a milder strain and the other a very aggressive strain . Demonstrates probable early mutation already . Will make vaccine development and treatment much more complex .

Also claimed possible to be infected with both strains .
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SparklingCrystal ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’Ž

Fri 03/06/20 03:15 AM



If you think you have the coronavirus don't go to the hospital, Take colloidal silver it will kill everything made from a lab. Colloidal Silver was widely used more than a hundred years ago until antibiotics came along in WWII. You can make this yourself, there's instructions all over the web

https://www.honeycolony.com/article/amazing-benefits-of-silver/

https://www.silver-colloids.com/history-silver/

https://wishgranted.com/a-condensed-history-of-colloidal-silver/

www.researchgate.net


rock ... I wonโ€™t be taking CS.... it kills and disrupts haemostasis of healthy micro flora which play a vital role in the immune response . Some use Probiotics to try and rebalance flora (unsure how successful this is )

Curious why you came up with colloidal silver over .. coconut oil , honey or red bush tea laugh laugh . there are a lot of natural products claiming to have antiviral properties ... however .,, .. if current antiviral drugs are ineffective .. I donโ€™t believe natural therapies will halt or treat infection. .., ., but keep me posted waving


That line of thinking is common when working in the regular medical world. That evolves around science and what they can prove, and Big Pharma.
Antiviral meds -any meds btw- are aimed at the result of a dis-ease. The alternative aims at the cause, the core of the problem.
Much has to do with mindset too, including the state of your immune system. Even the state of your mother while you were in her womb has a huge influence. For instance, children born from a mother under stress have smaller head circumference, a smaller frontal lobe, larger adrenal glands and a weakened immune system. That's cos the child is preparing to survive under the same conditions the mother & father are living in. So it's not just the mother, but also the father (his sperm cell). Even the egg & sperm cell are influenced by these emotions (stress hormones) and determine the physical form of the child.

Science is waking up to a whole lot of things these days (thank goodness!) that the ancient people -where alternative medicine comes from- already knew.
But the Big Pharma world isn't about that as they can't do anything with it, probably don't want to either.

Probiotics can indeed be very helpful as especially Western people have a gut flora that's totally out of balance. And the gut is the basis of our entire health. Most of us also have fungi in our gut.
But I'm not sure how long it would take to change this into a healthy state with probiotics, and then to also shift the rest of the body into better health with a stronger immune system. Probably longer than this virus takes to spread. It would take quite some time to restore.
And you cannot just start taking huge amounts of probiotics. For some their gut is so weakened they have to start with very low dosis. Meaning you'd have to have that tested first.
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Rock

Fri 03/06/20 06:51 AM

I'm an executive level office monkey,
not a medical professional. bigsmile

I'll lean more toward "remedies" and preventions
for the time being.

There is yet, no vaccine to prevent.
No definitive cure.


Another remedy...
Ayatollah Tebrizian(sp?) of Iran,
recommends the "cure" for coronavirus is,
violet oil, administered rectally, at bedtime.

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SparklingCrystal ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’Ž

Fri 03/06/20 07:05 AM


I'm an executive level office monkey,
not a medical professional. bigsmile

I'll lean more toward "remedies" and preventions
for the time being.

There is yet, no vaccine to prevent.
No definitive cure.


Another remedy...
Ayatollah Tebrizian(sp?) of Iran,
recommends the "cure" for coronavirus is,
violet oil, administered rectally, at bedtime.



The irony is that more and more people are refusing vaccines we do have and which we all got as baby & child. So we're getting more and more children that have not had any shot whatsoever, which creates a risk to the rest of us. Some child daycare centres are refusing children who have not been vacccinated, so parents are angry etc. etc.
I always say: wait till your baby/child gets one of those diseases. Or when government stops providing these vaccinations. Then you scream bloody murder that the government didn't do anything.

You see the same thing now. People want a vaccine. When they see people dying and begin to fear for their own life they suddenly forget about their resistance to vaccines.
I call that being a hypocrite.
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Rock

Fri 03/06/20 07:30 AM



I'm an executive level office monkey,
not a medical professional. bigsmile

I'll lean more toward "remedies" and preventions
for the time being.

There is yet, no vaccine to prevent.
No definitive cure.


Another remedy...
Ayatollah Tebrizian(sp?) of Iran,
recommends the "cure" for coronavirus is,
violet oil, administered rectally, at bedtime.



The irony is that more and more people are refusing vaccines we do have and which we all got as baby & child. So we're getting more and more children that have not had any shot whatsoever, which creates a risk to the rest of us. Some child daycare centres are refusing children who have not been vacccinated, so parents are angry etc. etc.
I always say: wait till your baby/child gets one of those diseases. Or when government stops providing these vaccinations. Then you scream bloody murder that the government didn't do anything.

You see the same thing now. People want a vaccine. When they see people dying and begin to fear for their own life they suddenly forget about their resistance to vaccines.
I call that being a hypocrite.


We're also not giving children as much exposure
to nature & natural foods. They get sick easier, because
they haven't had the chance to develop natural immunities.

Honey, is but one natural food, that helps the body build
antibodies. Often referred to, as a "natural antibiotic".


I'm not an "anti-vaxxer".
Nor, will I disparage modern medicine.
(it has saved my life more than once)

But, i will not turn my back, on the preventions & cures
given to us in nature.
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SparklingCrystal ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’Ž

Fri 03/06/20 08:09 AM




I'm an executive level office monkey,
not a medical professional. bigsmile

I'll lean more toward "remedies" and preventions
for the time being.

There is yet, no vaccine to prevent.
No definitive cure.


Another remedy...
Ayatollah Tebrizian(sp?) of Iran,
recommends the "cure" for coronavirus is,
violet oil, administered rectally, at bedtime.



The irony is that more and more people are refusing vaccines we do have and which we all got as baby & child. So we're getting more and more children that have not had any shot whatsoever, which creates a risk to the rest of us. Some child daycare centres are refusing children who have not been vacccinated, so parents are angry etc. etc.
I always say: wait till your baby/child gets one of those diseases. Or when government stops providing these vaccinations. Then you scream bloody murder that the government didn't do anything.

You see the same thing now. People want a vaccine. When they see people dying and begin to fear for their own life they suddenly forget about their resistance to vaccines.
I call that being a hypocrite.


We're also not giving children as much exposure
to nature & natural foods. They get sick easier, because
they haven't had the chance to develop natural immunities.

Honey, is but one natural food, that helps the body build
antibodies. Often referred to, as a "natural antibiotic".


I'm not an "anti-vaxxer".
Nor, will I disparage modern medicine.
(it has saved my life more than once)

But, i will not turn my back, on the preventions & cures
given to us in nature.

I feel pretty much the same. I would love the medical world to open their eyes to the alternative a bit more though. I feel they should complement each other, use/prescribe one when that one is needed and not automatically medicine-only.
The benefits I've had from alternative therapies is incredible. I know when to go to the GP or find an alternative therapist.

I know about honey, the problem is I really don't like it. As in ill ill
I've tried a few times, but I cannot stand it.
Even the smell of it, e.g. when in tea, makes me feel sick. A real bummer. Otherwise I would use it daily for sure!
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Blondey111

Fri 03/06/20 02:54 PM




If you think you have the coronavirus don't go to the hospital, Take colloidal silver it will kill everything made from a lab. Colloidal Silver was widely used more than a hundred years ago until antibiotics came along in WWII. You can make this yourself, there's instructions all over the web

https://www.honeycolony.com/article/amazing-benefits-of-silver/

https://www.silver-colloids.com/history-silver/

https://wishgranted.com/a-condensed-history-of-colloidal-silver/

www.researchgate.net


rock ... I wonโ€™t be taking CS.... it kills and disrupts haemostasis of healthy micro flora which play a vital role in the immune response . Some use Probiotics to try and rebalance flora (unsure how successful this is )

Curious why you came up with colloidal silver over .. coconut oil , honey or red bush tea laugh laugh . there are a lot of natural products claiming to have antiviral properties ... however .,, .. if current antiviral drugs are ineffective .. I donโ€™t believe natural therapies will halt or treat infection. .., ., but keep me posted waving


That line of thinking is common when working in the regular medical world. That evolves around science and what they can prove, and Big Pharma.
Antiviral meds -any meds btw- are aimed at the result of a dis-ease. The alternative aims at the cause, the core of the problem.
Much has to do with mindset too, including the state of your immune system. Even the state of your mother while you were in her womb has a huge influence. For instance, children born from a mother under stress have smaller head circumference, a smaller frontal lobe, larger adrenal glands and a weakened immune system. That's cos the child is preparing to survive under the same conditions the mother & father are living in. So it's not just the mother, but also the father (his sperm cell). Even the egg & sperm cell are influenced by these emotions (stress hormones) and determine the physical form of the child.

Science is waking up to a whole lot of things these days (thank goodness!) that the ancient people -where alternative medicine comes from- already knew.
But the Big Pharma world isn't about that as they can't do anything with it, probably don't want to either.

Probiotics can indeed be very helpful as especially Western people have a gut flora that's totally out of balance. And the gut is the basis of our entire health. Most of us also have fungi in our gut.
But I'm not sure how long it would take to change this into a healthy state with probiotics, and then to also shift the rest of the body into better health with a stronger immune system. Probably longer than this virus takes to spread. It would take quite some time to restore.
And you cannot just start taking huge amounts of probiotics. For some their gut is so weakened they have to start with very low dosis. Meaning you'd have to have that tested first.
sorry crystal but that line of thinking comes from informed choice .. knowing the benefits and side effects of the medication (whether conventional or natural ) . Modern medicine very much recognises a patients right to autonomy In treatment choices .. including the right to choose not to be treated .it also acknowledges the importance of practising holistically .

As for antiviral medications being aimed at the result of disease .. it is a very complex science .. did you know for example many antiviral medications work by targeting reverse transcription (how a virus replicates ) or targeting specific stages of the viral replication cycle Or specific enzymes needed by the virus . There are several mechanisms of action that can be targeted . Most medicines (antiviral or otherwise ) Target โ€œcellsโ€ Simplest way I can describe it . Symotoms are a result of disruption at the biological cellular level . Pharmacology understands this .. perhaps the ancient people did not biggrin

Personally .. if someone has a preference for natural therapies . My role is to support them and make sure they are fully and correctly informed . My advice to anyone using natural therapies is to know the benefits and consequences .,to know any potential side effects and interactions with conventional medications . Even natural therapies can be harmful in certain situations . Anyone taking prescription medicines and using natural therapies should discuss with a health professional first to avoid any potential complications . Natural does not mean harmless ... for example taking โ€œtoo muchโ€ vitamin c acidifies the urine and has the potential to cause kidney stones :angel: waving








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mysticalview21

Fri 03/06/20 03:12 PM

I just posted but seems it got lost laugh happens ...

this is simple ... this virus is more dangerous then the flu and
pneumonia becouse what it does it sticks to your lungs and
that is hard to cure ... hear say ... + they are not letting people in the hospitals ... in certain states ... + of course we do not have respirators for as many cases ...even it it is like the flu ... and what I heard was the way other test is with xrays ... but they might not have enough or want to take the chance ... listen to the professionals ...

hopefully they will be honest ... with us ... I also heard they are ...
quarantining people in their homes now ...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 03/06/20 03:21 PM
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Blondey111

Fri 03/06/20 03:15 PM


I just posted but seems it got lost laugh happens ...

this is simple ... this virus is more dangerous then the flu and
pneumonia becouse what it does it sticks to your lungs and
that is hard to cure ... hear say ... + they are not letting people in the hospitals ... in certain states ...
hi mystical .. curious what states and why ???
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mysticalview21

Fri 03/06/20 03:23 PM

South Carolina becouse they have the virus 19...hear say ...
friend of friend family ... quarantining people in their homes now ...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 03/06/20 03:27 PM
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mysticalview21

Fri 03/06/20 03:38 PM

I also heard south korea where doing better in reacting to this Virus 19


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-04/south-korea-tests-hundreds-of-thousands-to-fight-virus-outbreak
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 03/06/20 03:42 PM