Some of the reports tabling Corona Virus Data for each country are also tabling the GDP and national debts.



China has a $9 Trillion stock market - with $3 Trillion traded overseas - Singapore, Hong Kong and US market

Chinese IT firms are listed in US and Hong Kong stock exchange and not in Chinese A-share market.



For example: Huawei Semiconductor is listed in US and Hong Kong.
After the high-profile ban on it's parent Huawei Technologies Co. by US,
HS said it was de-listing from US due to considerations including limited trading volume and costs.

Hong Kong Other Tech companies, Hong Kong based are: Baidu (AI), Alibaba, Tescent (android - gaming).

(No idea how they are linked to Chinese government except for tax and HK bank accounts- ultimately linked to People's Bank of China (PBoC) - The Chinese Money Flow Cycle).

All these have nothing to do with the soft loans extended by PRC to Sri Lanka, Pakistan and some African nations. Since these countries are unable to pay the interests, they lease out land around their port cities for 99 years.

Wuhan based companies There is Dongfeng Motor Group, largest vendors for automobile parts in Asia - Suppliers to Indian auto industry.

Posted on 13 April 2020

Status to be reviewed after the Covid Wave sweeps out - say 3 months from now.

"Chinese IT firms are listed in US and Hong Kong stock exchange and not in Chinese A-share market."

That is interesting, why is that? IT firms not listed on their
own exchange?

Or just not 'A' shares? Is it illegal there or something?

Taking 'Dongfeng Motor Group' owned by Chinese government -
Assuming it's listed on US market - would make a sovereign asset on par with say GM.

I'm not clear about A-share market but assuming that institutions like People's Bank of China / China's State Insurance - are stakeholders it prepares the way for a future where the government may offload a small slice to private institutions.

Again, high net worth Chinese don't live in mainland China; in Hong Kong, silicon valley of China.

Of course, info is based on how the Indian economy loosened up from being a socialist monopoly.

Today, 14 April - by night fall we would've 120,000 dead

It's not an easy death
It is by slow drowning, as body fluids swept slowly inside the lungs
and spread over the tissues - if there were tissues remaining -
taking 2 days to submerge them completely

And ll the time, each of the 120,000 people knew they were drowning,
gasping for air through bubbles entrapped in the fluids
what was their fault, to die like this?

It's not clear what happened in China / Wuhan
two doctors who blew the whistle - disappeared.

But it is clear what happened in NYC
The first case was reported on March 1

Mayor said, "We've 1200 beds ready" - March 8

WHO declared corona virus a pandemic - March 11
Mayor voiced his view as: 'a bit of a trust-but-verify worldview"

NYC schools closed - March 16

City playgrounds were kept open - March 23
with city officials posting signs that said,Play at your own risk

On his weekly radio interview on WNYC’s “The Brian Lehrer Show“ - March 27
He said, “This whole godforsaken experience has been a learning curve.”

10,000 dead as on April 14
Projected to die: 10,000 by May 14

Bill De Basio's proud moment: "We will reopen schools in September"

While I don't claim to understand American politicians the question that startles me goes beyond De Blasio;

and forgive me, also beyond the 'death by drowning' of the 10K.

It is, "Why was De Basio scared of closing down NYC's public schools on March 8?"

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This returns us back to China /Wuhan and the question:
Did Wuhan's Mayor behave exactly like De Basio?

This is what Mayor Zhou said, "The city government’s disclosure of information about the disease had been “unsatisfactory.”

Our names will live in infamy, but as long as it is conducive to the control of the disease and to the people’s lives and safety, Comrade Ma Guoqiang and I will bear any responsibility,”

Mayor Zhou subsequently resigned.

China deserves, exactly what,
for loosing a deadly plague upon
the world?

I don't believe it was on purpose...


I heard now we have to worry about the meat ...
a factory has infected people ... gosh I hear so much ...
not sure if they had to shut down ... one co ... said will give you ...
$ 500. bonus if you stay on the job...
wanting people to work if even sick ...
or at least I guess till they fall down dead ...is what it sounded like ...

way...

I wouldn't dream of implying that it was intentional.
Yet, here we are.

Yes, I heard a similar story on the news,
about a pork processing plant. I believe,
the article put it in Minnesota or Wisconsin.

The above comments stir up - the intent behind this thread....

1. Political
Considering the age old rivalry between India & China, if...
if the virus had started in India,
and considering the phenomenal speed of it's spread
and knowing government response times to anything new.
I think the scale of devastation in India would have been larger than China's

And while the Chinese response time was initially slow
Subsequent actions, essentially quarantine were impressive.

In fact we learnt nothing from watching China, communistic country
Iran, a Muslim country and
Italy, over sexed country

We learnt from Spain - the strictest imposition of quarantine & curfew - March 15,
We are lucky.

Political Conclusion But when I noticed New York Mayor's sloppiness (leaving aside San Francisco which is dope land anyway) it was stunning. In my experience NYC is like Bombay, people are very civil and comply with government rules, readily. NYC's Mayor is a bigger bumpkin than London's and should be hanged in Times Square!

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2. Economy

We have to view China as an intensively strong Labor market, highly disciplined
just as we view Saudi Arabia / Iran as oil countries.

Now, while we were sleeping ...



But recall, China devalued the Chinese currency in 2015
from: 1 Yuan = 18 cents (US)
to 1 Yuan = 14 cents

leading to a collapse in the 'Future's market' and
impacting India's growing economy - apart from others.

Clearly, a 'beggar they neighbor' move

Then Trump got elected,
and along with Americans, rest of world woke up

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Next 6 months will be interesting because as the stock market revives slowly
Wall ST. will e slowed because oil prices are lowest
US will maintain expensive military sanctions on Iran
Dems will waste another 20 billion trying to get Biden elected
and Americans generally, will remain divided over the elections.

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All of the above is open secret.
TY

When we say Rise of China, it also means decline of US

Reason is the basket size (world market size) remains the same since China is not introducing new products but competitive pricing on existing products

Covid curve in US has not flattened.

10 days ago, Mar 7, the number of cases were 400,000
Today, Mar 17, it is 700,000
In less than 10 days, say 8 days, the number will reach 1,000,000 cases
Death rate is also highest in the USA it is 30%

1 million - is a game changer: here's why!
So far Trump has evaded direct responsibility by giving long rope to governors and mayors to manage. But once figures touch 1 mil then US exports / imports - become suspect - get slowed down. This because, if a US military carrier - TR, can get effected no reason mercantile ships won't.

Maybe the 1 million cases won't make any differences - because of world dependencies on US software rather than hard products

but little things begin to add up.

Today, US Debt increased US GDP by 3 Trillion

i.e., 24.5 Trillion (Debt) - 21.5 Trillion (GDP)

What does it mean?

In my opinion rise and decline of two nations accelerate now

For example, a Chinese Insurance firm bought out Lloyd's HQ building in London in 2013


http://goin2london.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lloyds-building-interior.jpg

No doubt China had edged out UK in terms of the second largest GDP in the World but then Why would the Chinese Insurer (PRC) buy in a 290 ft tower expensive to maintain?

Lower Price:


But in my opinion it goes beyond visibility, building credibility ... best address in the World ... to something else altogether.

To sell insurance against the next ..... strain; who knows!

Chinese Honey

Asian hornets from China arrived in France around 2008 'accidentally'.
They feed on honey bees. The hornets have been spreading to Europe.

In France, the honey industry has come down from what was worth a few billions of dollar in 2008 to zilch.

I'm not one given to believe in coincidence.
Everything happens for a reason.


China seems to have catastrophic "accidents".

Through design?
Incompetence?
Stupidity?

Xi Jinping, and the Chinese communist party,
should be held accountable by the Chinese people,
and by the world.

Chen Wei (pictured), a Major General of the People's Liberation Army, was flown in to Wuhan late last month after the coronavirus broke out there, according to Chinese state-run media.

Dr. Chen is also a leading specialist in genetic engineering vaccines in China. She developed a medical spray during the SARS outbreak in 2003, preventing around 14,000 medical workers from contracting the virus, said another state-media report

She is also known in the country as the 'terminator of Ebola' for leading a team to create a vaccine against the fatal virus.

Speaking of fighting the novel coronavirus, Chen said: 'The epidemic is like a military situation. The epicentre equals to the battlefield.'

Problem is the news articles. One mentions US funding research & training for WIV staff during Obama's administration.

Second, 'the epicentre keeps moving - to Italy, then Spain and now in US.'

A normal interpretation of 'terror virus' would be rumor mongering on terror and creating a large scale panic. But in this case, just before the conference 4 Indian soldiers were killed within Kashmir by unknown assailants.

Fake News What is surprising is the Indian PM has mentioned 'fake news'! This is for the first time and in an international forum.

I have reasons to believe it has to do with CNN who as we know has a rogue reporter covering DT.

Can a media channel be a virus Yes, according to our PM; because in CNN's rule book, if you are with DT, you are with the enemy!

Is the virus generated in Wuhan Lab - a myth?

From Live Science:


https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html


Maybe China should take this Scripps, improve it and retell to the world.

jai .. In 2015 the Wuhan institute published a paper on research Their team had conducted into “creating a chimera, the hybrid virus that combined elements from two bat-borne coronaviruses, including one that causes SARS. The mutated virus that resulted was more easily able to infect human cells, making it more useful for lab experiments”. I would like to see the DNA sequencing from that study and subsequent studies (published or not ). I can see why questions are being asked of China . Clearly they held and studied bat carona viruses . Coincidence or not, their research and processes should be subjected to an independent investigation.

Thanks Blondey.

On the economic level:
Elon Musk is expanding his electric truck / car factory in Shanghai. Initially set up in 2018, Elon believes he will capture the Chinese auto market.

Although everybody loves Elon, something is not quite right.

Update as on 17 May

If we consider China's management of this pandemic as the benchmark...
then as per Worldometer



12 countries lead China on infection cases: USA, Brazil, 7 European, Iran & India

In terms of death, 13 countries have or exceed 5000 deaths.
Notably, a small country like Belgium has over 9000 deaths

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Total cases 4.7 million
Total death 0.31 million

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Projections - 1st June based on graph

Total cases 5.7 million
Total death 0.5 million

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Projections - 1st Oct Worst case scenario

Based on countries like US - flattening
While countries like India - may see high case doubling rates

Total cases 10.0 million
Total deaths 1 million

i.e., world standing.. 10,000,000 / 1 mil

Benchmark .................... 83,000 / 5000

We didn't see this scale

I'm all for China's economy being razed after the Wuhan virus.