Topic: Being more hungry and/or blood sugar dips?
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Fri 04/24/20 03:09 PM


It may have alot to do with lockdown diets.
People tend to eat more junk.

And,
Less physical activity.



Yeah, I'm gonna see if it changes when I make greens and meat like I normally do (I rarely eat potatoes or rice etc). Less junkfood stuff
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 04/24/20 03:24 PM

Those microwave 'ready meals' can raise triglyceride(sp?) counts.
Not sure what that means to hunger?
Doc put me on fish oil supplements for it.
I've been eating more home cooked stuff lately and doc reduced my fish oil dosage.
I don't really feel any different?

I have no fear of shortages, I was saying it 'might' be a delusional fear left over from my life when shortages were an issue.
When something is sub-conscious you don't know it because its sub-conscious, I was just speculating.

I keep bottled water because I am in a hurricane prone area on the coast.
Our tap water has no taste and I keep a jug in the fridge.
I also have one month or more supply of food at all times.
Plus, emergency 'add water' stuff like powdered eggs, potatoes, milk etc...

The issue is not with the reality but the sense I get from paying more attention to things I normally wouldn't.
Our grocery shelves are usually brimming with products and there were a few weeks were it looked like the shelves were empty.
My sub-conscious probably triggered something from my past that caused me to change my habits (again, just speculating).

I'm not worried, not stressed about food or water.
Hell, I'm not even stressed about the pandemic.
If I get it I'm dead, why worry about it?
I take precautions but I'm not locking myself away fretting over something out of my control.
That's insanity.
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Seamus

Fri 04/24/20 04:27 PM

I must admit that I have felt more hungry recently. Normally, I eat one meal a day in the evening, although I might have a light snack sometime in the afternoon. Recently though, I've been waking up in the early hours with gnawing hunger and often eating breakfast.
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Fri 04/24/20 04:32 PM


Those microwave 'ready meals' can raise triglyceride(sp?) counts.
Not sure what that means to hunger?
Doc put me on fish oil supplements for it.
I've been eating more home cooked stuff lately and doc reduced my fish oil dosage.
I don't really feel any different?

I have no fear of shortages, I was saying it 'might' be a delusional fear left over from my life when shortages were an issue.
When something is sub-conscious you don't know it because its sub-conscious, I was just speculating.

I keep bottled water because I am in a hurricane prone area on the coast.
Our tap water has no taste and I keep a jug in the fridge.
I also have one month or more supply of food at all times.
Plus, emergency 'add water' stuff like powdered eggs, potatoes, milk etc...

The issue is not with the reality but the sense I get from paying more attention to things I normally wouldn't.
Our grocery shelves are usually brimming with products and there were a few weeks were it looked like the shelves were empty.
My sub-conscious probably triggered something from my past that caused me to change my habits (again, just speculating).

I'm not worried, not stressed about food or water.
Hell, I'm not even stressed about the pandemic.
If I get it I'm dead, why worry about it?
I take precautions but I'm not locking myself away fretting over something out of my control.
That's insanity.

I understand it can be subconscious, and based on what others said on here the food situation in the USA isn't so relaxed. Over here there's no problem whatsoever. SHop's as full as it always is. So that's what I meant I don't have that fear, not even subconscious as over here there's no reason for it. If I'd see half empty shelves it probably would be different.

The fish oil... now you mention that... I also don't know if that does anything concerning hunger and dips... but I do know I should take Omega3. And I'm out. And the other day I suddenly wanted smoked salmon. I know from experience I crave that when my body needs Omega3.
I guess I will have to spend yet more money on a supplement, dangit. I'll look for it tomorrow, find the type with Omega 3 only, not 6 in it too.
Maybe that will sort it or at least help.
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Fri 04/24/20 04:37 PM


I must admit that I have felt more hungry recently. Normally, I eat one meal a day in the evening, although I might have a light snack sometime in the afternoon. Recently though, I've been waking up in the early hours with gnawing hunger and often eating breakfast.


You too!!? This is close to getting seriously weird, haha.
Today for me has been bad in that sense. Been hungry from 2 pm onwards. Had a snack when I got home, shortly there after dinner, coffee and cake, then this evening oatmeal. In spite of all that I have not felt full or fulfilled.
That sense of hunger has remained. I'm like the Stone's song: I can't get no satisfaction.
Even after that huge bowl of oatmeal I am still slightly hungry. Fed up with it. I'm off to bed!
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LarchTree

Fri 04/24/20 05:00 PM

Could be a number of different things. Is it blood glucose concentration measured by device or feeling of hunger?

If you use 3 parts olive oil and 1 part coconut oil, as an energy source in place of carbohydrates, this will even out blood sugar levels.

Avoiding carbohydrates and staying well hydrated throughout the day is a definite.

If too much sugar is stored in the liver (glycogen), it can cause malfunction which is hard on the body. Insulin causes blood sugar to be stored in the liver and removed from the blood, glycogen causes it to be released back into the blood.

I myself like to go for a 30 minute run first thing in the morning just before breakfast because it keeps the metabolism high during fasting. Also, insulin levels are lowest then and energy is released from the liver.
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Blondey111

Fri 04/24/20 06:08 PM

Hi crystal

Just a couple of thoughts from me .

Are you testing your blood sugars .. if so what range are you getting ..

The thre cardinal signs of diabetes or pre-diabetes are
Polyuria (increased urination)
Polydipsia ( increased thirst)
Polyphagia (increased Appetite )

if the body has difficulty getting glucose from the blood into cells increased hunger can occur . This can be an indication the body has insufficient insulin or cannot Adequately respond to insulin .

It is not necessary to have all three cardinal signs for a diagnosis .

There are of course other reasons for dysphagia.

If you want to rule out diabetes you will need to see your gp for hba1c Blood testing which is a more accurate measure of average blood glucose rather than random finger prick testing .

Even If you have not had significant dietary changes you could keep a diary of what you are eating and when you are experiencing symptoms . This may help narrow down what is happening . I would be wary of introducing any new supplements at this stage . If you have made dietary changes recently perhaps remove foodstuffs that you do not usually eat . If you are eating lots of foods or drinks that convert easily to glucose (fruit is one of them , cakes also ) try reducing your intake and see if symptoms improve . Replace with complex carbs that take your body longer to convert to glucose . (oats are a good complex carb) Fibre intake also changes how your body processes sugars and unless you have a medical reason not to add fibre to your diet is also a good addition .

If you are experiencing any other symptoms such as dizziness or feeling shaky or light headed see a doctor rather than just attribute it to your diet .

Stress, Smoking , alcohol , caffeine and estrogen can impact blood sugar and cortisol levels . If you have only recently started HRT you may need an adjustment .

It is really not recommended to smoke and take estrogen as this can definitely increase risk of blood clots ...both smoking and Estrogen (In certain circumstances) have this risk . Combined the risk is greater . Not saying that to scare you just inform you . Also wanted to mention that if you have a uterus . Estrogen is generally taken in combination with progesterone (to reduce endometrial cancer risk ) .If this is not happening have a chat to your doctor .

Hope you feel better soon waving
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themp

Fri 04/24/20 06:09 PM

Look at insulin resistance as a possible factor!
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Rock

Fri 04/24/20 09:52 PM

I'm too tired to google the definition of "triglycerides".


But, yeah, that microwavable crap also has way
more sodium in it, than any human should ever
consume in a day.
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Sat 04/25/20 05:41 AM


Hi crystal

Just a couple of thoughts from me .

Are you testing your blood sugars .. if so what range are you getting ..

The thre cardinal signs of diabetes or pre-diabetes are
Polyuria (increased urination)
Polydipsia ( increased thirst)
Polyphagia (increased Appetite )

if the body has difficulty getting glucose from the blood into cells increased hunger can occur . This can be an indication the body has insufficient insulin or cannot Adequately respond to insulin .

It is not necessary to have all three cardinal signs for a diagnosis .

There are of course other reasons for dysphagia.

If you want to rule out diabetes you will need to see your gp for hba1c Blood testing which is a more accurate measure of average blood glucose rather than random finger prick testing .

Even If you have not had significant dietary changes you could keep a diary of what you are eating and when you are experiencing symptoms . This may help narrow down what is happening . I would be wary of introducing any new supplements at this stage . If you have made dietary changes recently perhaps remove foodstuffs that you do not usually eat . If you are eating lots of foods or drinks that convert easily to glucose (fruit is one of them , cakes also ) try reducing your intake and see if symptoms improve . Replace with complex carbs that take your body longer to convert to glucose . (oats are a good complex carb) Fibre intake also changes how your body processes sugars and unless you have a medical reason not to add fibre to your diet is also a good addition .

If you are experiencing any other symptoms such as dizziness or feeling shaky or light headed see a doctor rather than just attribute it to your diet .

Stress, Smoking , alcohol , caffeine and estrogen can impact blood sugar and cortisol levels . If you have only recently started HRT you may need an adjustment .

It is really not recommended to smoke and take estrogen as this can definitely increase risk of blood clots ...both smoking and Estrogen (In certain circumstances) have this risk . Combined the risk is greater . Not saying that to scare you just inform you . Also wanted to mention that if you have a uterus . Estrogen is generally taken in combination with progesterone (to reduce endometrial cancer risk ) .If this is not happening have a chat to your doctor .

Hope you feel better soon waving

I am not diabetic. I am very very very sensitive to estrogen wobbles and drops.
Many women have this insane hunger thing because of it when they go through menopause. Just that it's hardly ever mentioned on a website or in books even. But many have it and I did too when it began for me 2 years back.
If memory serves it has to do with the hypothalamus that regulates hormones including estrogen production, and also the hunger and fulfilled reflex.
I had the same when pregnant, both times, but didn't know the cause yet. I cried many times that I had to eat again while I didn't want to.
But I'm not sure if it has to do with that now, hence me asking here if more people are experiencing it.
I do have progesteron but you have to be careful with that. Use to much (for your body) and you create a new imbalance and lower estrogen than progestron which can bring back the problems of low estrogen. It's a tricky thing.
Almost a matter of trial and error. If it doesn't go I will go back to my therapist from "Care for Women". I am thinking of going off the pill and switching to (natural) supplements from Care for Women. But I'm afraid. You have NO idea how f*(king ill I was due to estrogen drop. I seriously couldn't function. Not a matter of not feeling all that good, a matter of not being able to live, act, think. Zombie mode, unable to function.
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LarchTree

Sat 04/25/20 06:18 AM

Blood sugar testing devices are not very expensive (you would probably have to buy one anyway when you talk to a doctor about it) and can be useful for knowing how the body works better, as everyone’s body works slightly differently. For most nondiabetic people some things should still be avoided because they cause the blood sugar to spike to harmful levels and then crash to low levels. Some things don’t taste sweet but still have a lot of added sugar in them. Anyhow, it is good you are sensitive to pick up to such things, and we are fortunate to have Blondey on here as a friend, and she knows much more about human physiology than I do.
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Tom4Uhere

Sat 04/25/20 08:59 AM

Additionally, I find my sleep patterns are changing.
I'm waking earlier and going to bed earlier?
All since the restrictions came into effect with no change in my activity level.

I was going to bed at 4am and getting up around 11am.
Lately I go to bed at 2am and get up around 9am.

I also have a strange desire to go places.
Its not cabin fever, I barely went anywhere over the last 10 years.
I put less than 8,000 miles on my truck last year.
Recently, I have noticed I take the long way home when I do go out.
I justify it as curiosity but that's not entirely accurate.
I was never curious before all this?
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Sat 04/25/20 02:22 PM


Additionally, I find my sleep patterns are changing.
I'm waking earlier and going to bed earlier?
All since the restrictions came into effect with no change in my activity level.

I was going to bed at 4am and getting up around 11am.
Lately I go to bed at 2am and get up around 9am.

I also have a strange desire to go places.
Its not cabin fever, I barely went anywhere over the last 10 years.
I put less than 8,000 miles on my truck last year.
Recently, I have noticed I take the long way home when I do go out.
I justify it as curiosity but that's not entirely accurate.
I was never curious before all this?

Peculiar, as I have similar things...
I tend to go to bed earlier as I get tired much earlier. I do sleep the normal amount of hours, I need 8,5-9 hrs sleep.
I don't like getting up earlier as I don't like long mornings, hihi.
Now for me it's not a 2 hr change, although if I give in to my tiredness & sleepiness it would be.
But then I'd also have to get up around half past 8 which I hate!

Going places, I have the SAME thing!!
I thought maybe it was because I was stuck without a car for so long, but I still have this urge, and bleep knows about where to go. I have no clue.
It isn't until later at night that this restlessness goes, probably cos then I get sleepy & tired.
I can barely even watch a movie or series, I haven't the rest inside. I leave it running while clicking and reading on fora, FB, Mingle... Insane!
And that feeling to want to go... it can be really strong at times!
I have btw always had a natural curiosity.
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Blondey111

Sat 04/25/20 04:00 PM

Not diagnosing you as diabetic crystal .. a lot of the proceeding conversation was focused on dietary concepts and survival mode.during lockdown ... Just giving you some of my thoughts . I will add though unless you are tested for diabetes you cannot be certain this is not the reason for your symptoms . Health is dynamic and can change from one minute to the next . If you are confident hormonal imbalance may be the culprit . Similarly , It is easy to determine hormone levels with a blood assay test. Two years is quite a long time to be on HRT . Regardless hormonal control can fluctuate and sometimes a change of brand is required or a change in dose . There is still considerable caution surrounding the use of HRT for sustained periods and in certain age groups . Generally the lowest dose possible is prescribed to relieve symptoms but sometimes that needs tweaking . As you say some women just cannot function without HRT and it is an important treatment for their well-being . Not sure if you are taking estrogen pills or using a Transdermal patch (the latter is considered to have slightly less risk factors but some do better on the oral formula . A combined therapy is often used .. transdermal for oestrogen and oral for progesterone . .
.Good luck finding a resolution . waving
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Seamus

Sat 04/25/20 06:31 PM

Humanity is dreaming of freedom and will soon break the chains of slavery. Then the freedom they establish will become chains to future generations.
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SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž

Sun 04/26/20 03:21 AM

Thanks everyone for chipping in :)

I just found out that a lot is going on at the moment. A huge shift. Kind of like a re-calibration I suppose. Much of this happens at night, hence people waking up tired, feeling tired during the day, etc.

I also realised this morning that I do wake earlier too. For at least 4-5 days I wake at 9:15. Usually I succeed in sleeping another hour, otherwise my head goes noodle doodle, this morning I was less successful.
So I do wake earlier. Really annoying.
I'm just going to wait and see how this pans out. If it doesn't change I will see my GP, but I don't think much will come from that.
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Tom4Uhere

Sun 04/26/20 06:15 AM

This morning...up at 7am.
Went to bed at 2am but had to force it.
5 hours of sleep at my activity level is okay but I didn't wake refreshed.
I feel like I worked all night.
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Jimmyz1234

Mon 05/25/20 05:28 AM

Stressing and worrying burn more calories resulting in low blood sugar. Chances are if you are stressed out and worrying about things you can't you're probably not eating regularly. This is just an opinion but I doubt it's the carona virus.
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delightfulillusion

Mon 05/25/20 05:33 AM


Stressing and worrying burn more calories resulting in low blood sugar. Chances are if you are stressed out and worrying about things you can't you're probably not eating regularly. This is just an opinion but I doubt it's the carona virus.



I’m diabetic and stress INCREASES my blood sugars
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LarchTree

Mon 05/25/20 07:11 AM

I am trying to reduce average fasting blood glucose from mid 90s to mid 70s. I have had general anxiety disorder for the later part of my life and am looking into techniques to reduce and handle stress.

One thing that I think might also be related is I took flonase for one week and afterward I felt bizarre and β€œeroded”; while I was taking it I felt like I was absorbing stress above level I would normally shut down at. Several months after taking it regular blood test showed my fasting blood sugar had jumped up to mid 90s; I bought a blood sugar testing device and tested every morning and the average is mid 90s. Flonase might be related to what the problem is and how I should fix it, and I am never taking it again. Could it have caused enlarged adrenal glands? I do not understand this part.

I understand the anxiety part better and am working at that angle, as well as the physiological angle to fix health effects caused by anxiety. I want to be resilient. I have a big book about overcoming anxiety through breathing, psychology, philosophy, nutrition, and every other way one could imagine. In addition, I am using the same advice from these articles I read to help understand the issue.

https://www.precisionnutrition.com/all-about-cortisol
https://kresserinstitute.com/normal-blood-sugar-isnt-normal-part-2/
https://nutrita.app/article/skinny-fat
https://legionathletics.com/skinny-fat/
https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/a-z/high-intensity-interval-training-hiit