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Rock

Mon 06/01/20 04:05 AM

I find it difficult, to feel any sympathy for
a fool who spent his entire life as a
violent criminal.

Good riddance.

From what I've read of this, the cop's actions
were very much in the wrong.
But, I've heard, that the cop wussed out,
and committed suicide.

Good riddance there, as well.

Just a reminder..
That many of the same people who
are in full rage mode now about
police brutality, said not one single
damned word about brutality, when
Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor,
shot and murdered an unarmed woman
Justine Damond.

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:16 PM

George Floyd was a Thug, he spent time in prison for armed robbery, he resisted arrest numerous times before they took him to the ground. Did the cop over do it? Yes. Did Floyd deserve to die? No. But this was never a black and white situation for all you racists out there trying to find anything they can to make an issue out of. This is authority verses Thug situation, that cop didn't care what color Floyd was. So how do people respond to this? Well why not go out and steal from some hard working people and burn some buildings to the ground in our neighborhood all while the cops stand by and watch without doing anything. I hope all you THUG SUPPORTERS out there are proud of yourselves, well us hard working tax payers pay for all your wrong doings. So many laws have been broken by the thugs and thug supporter but very few have been arrested even though it would be like shooting fish in a barrel to do so, where is justice when it is really needed?

I for one, do not support 'thugs'. However, I cannot condone 'thugs' in uniforms who behave in murderous unnecessary actions that end people's lives. And THAT is a behavior that is MORE LIKELY (ratio) to happen when the suspect has darker skin tone. That is the issue. I also do not support the types of back door justifications that hinge on what someone did in their PAST to somehow lessen how authorities treat them NOW.

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:23 PM

To the family of George Floyd you have my deepest sympathies sad2

. I pray that true justice will be rendered and served to you :thumbsup:

George Flyod and his family don't deserve any respect whatsoever. If people commit crimes and assault officers they run the risk of being killed. If he would have obeyed the police none of this would have happened. That means building being destroyed, stores being looted, and understand there was people in many of those stores while they were being looted. The cost of all the law enforcement and everything that goes with it, and the closure of many businesses. What gives these protesters the right to gather while there are still restrictions in place for covid19 such as no gatherings of more than 10 people. How many people know what really happened? Most all of this has been propaganda set up by the media to fuel political views.

The same right those white protestors with GUNS had. If people are peacefully protesting, especially during a quarantine (which has been lifted in several places, by the way, for people to go back out and to work), certainly any out peacefully protesting are fine. And thanks to cell phones, what 'really happened' is pretty clearly visible for the nearly last TEN minutes of his life.

You are missing the point. IF a woman does not go out with a man, he can't date raper her. But that does not mean he is not just as liable and dispicable for the rape. If he commmited the crime, THEIR job is not the death penalty. Technically, i believe their only job in THIS situation was to ascertain if the bill was fake and where it came from. because bils pass hands such that the holder can be completely unaware that they are fake in the first place.
They are not a jury or a judge. They are merely to arrest and detain. What they did went beyond to cause a death that should have been REAASONABLY foreseen. Period. There is no excuse for it. And I do not believe that kind of on the scene death penalty of unarmted people happens as often with any group as with black males. It is a shame,.

Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/01/20 02:22 PM

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:23 PM

To the family of George Floyd you have my deepest sympathies sad2

. I pray that true justice will be rendered and served to you :thumbsup:

You are missing the point. IF a woman does not go out with a man, he can't date raper her. But that does not mean he is not just as liable and dispicable for the rape. If he commmited the crime, THEIR job is not the death penalty. They are not a jury or a judge. They are merely to arrest and detain. What they did went beyond to cause a death that should have been REAASONABLY foreseen. Period. There is no excuse for it. And I do not believe that kind of on the scene death penalty of unarmted people happens as often with any group as with black males. It is a shame,.

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:28 PM

I had to look it up. It is much more an outlier than 'lifelong thugs' with melanin being unnecessary killed, in a panicked 'moment' nonetheless. This mans's death was not within a panicked moment.

In any case> let us just HOPE this ends with a sentence for the killer and 20 mill for the family like in Ms. Damond's case. With police, it is not so often the case when the deceased is rich in melanin.

Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/01/20 01:31 PM

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:32 PM

I see a lot of racists under this post...
Why are y'all shying away from the truth?
What Chauvin did was wrong...and in my own words he should be charged with first degree murder!

It cannot be first degree in that state. First degree has to have premeditation proven. But THIRD degree murder does not have to have premeditation.

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:41 PM

If the Police never did wrong, then people would trust them. Nobody ever made a song called "F**k the Fire Department" did they?

Humans can be cowards, bigots, bullies. Anywhere people are, there are cowards, bigots, and bullies, regardless of occupation or status. What I take issue with is becoming complacent and accepting of these types in positions of authority over other people's lives, instead of actively seeking to minimize their presence wherever possible. This doesn't happen without accountability. And too often status, badge, money, et cetera, allows some people to escape being held accountable. So we do not here about FPD so often because they do not so much deal with specific individuals so much as properties where individuals could be of any demographic. Too often, where police are concerned, that badge gives them public authority to be judge and executioner too, instead of just the arresting authority. Too often, that mindset gives them authority to execute 'suspects' who should otherwise have their civil opportunity to be tried before a judge or jury. Too often the 'yeah, but before, they did blah and blah blah" mindset kind of gets sympathy and leaves these actions taken less and less seriously. not to mention that it flies in the face of 'doing time' or the reality of being able to do better, if all that matters is that you were ONCE doing worse.

Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/01/20 01:54 PM

Larsson71

Mon 06/01/20 01:56 PM

If the Police never did wrong, then people would trust them. Nobody ever made a song called "F**k the Fire Department" did they?

I've yet to see a Fireman, or Firewoman, accused of killing a civilian, in cold blood, cos to be blunt, that's exactly what it was! The guy said he couldn't breathe and his pleas fell on deaf ears and he was ignored. That to me is murder, as no mercy, or compassion was shown to him whatsoever! Protect and serve? Who the public? Themselves more like and the ones with money and in positions of power, it seems like to me!

Humans can be cowards, bigots, bullies. Anywhere people are, there are cowards, bigots, and bullies, regardless of occupation or status. What I take issue with is becoming complacent and accepting of these types in positions of authority over other people's lives, instead of actively seeking to minimize their presence wherever possible. This doesn't happen without accountability. And too often status, badge, money, et cetera, allows some people to escape being held accountable. So we do not here about FPD so often because they do not so much deal with specific individuals so much as properties where individuals could be of any demographic. Too often, where police are concerned, that badge gives them public authority to be judge and executioner too, instead of just the arresting authority. Too often, that mindset gives them authority to execute 'suspects' who should otherwise have their civil opportunity to be tried before a judge or jury. Too often the 'yeah, but before, they did blah and blah blah" mindset kind of gets sympathy and leaves these actions taken less and less seriously.

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 01:57 PM

Larsson71

Mon 06/01/20 01:58 PM

If the Police never did wrong, then people would trust them. Nobody ever made a song called "F**k the Fire Department" did they?

msharmony

Mon 06/01/20 02:18 PM

If the Police never did wrong, then people would trust them. Nobody ever made a song called "F**k the Fire Department" did they?

I do see the difference though. Fireman work mostly in groups to save property, as opposed to the one on one that happens with officers and 'suspects'. The one on one
nature of police over fireman, makes the oppportunity for race bias leading to death to be more prevalent in police work than with putting out fires.

Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/01/20 02:24 PM

Larsson71

Mon 06/01/20 02:58 PM

If the Police never did wrong, then people would trust them. Nobody ever made a song called "F**k the Fire Department" did they?

The difference is the people working in the Fire Department, or the Fire Brigade, over here in the UK, have had proper training. I've seen Policemen over here walking about with the roid rage and the power trip blatantly showing in them and being totally aggressive to whoever crosses their path. Man, or woman, is doesn't matter to them, as they suffer the same fate regardless. The Police don't carry guns over here, but people being killed during arrests still happens. If someone is restrained properly, then that should be it. Job done and off to the Police Station, or Precinct in America. No one deserves to die being arrested regardless of race, creed, or colour, by the very people who are meant to protect us!

Blondey111

Mon 06/01/20 09:29 PM

http://www.hennepinattorney.org/-/media/Attorney/Derek-Chauvin-Criminal-Complaint.pdf?la=en&hash=1E453C8A0834E00805D32DA7132616A1D28F7AD5

Copy of Court criminal complaint ....

“At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak.

Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.

At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total.

Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive.

Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous”

Given how fast the police department fired them there is little doubt the behaviour of the officers involved was an extreme breach of their professional and ethical codes of conduct . The evidence is overwhelming .

Not one of them terminated the restraint when they realised he was unresponsive . No attempt to resuscitate . They are all criminally implicated .

To anyone feeling saddened by what happened to George .... :heart:

by your side ..

Zion

Mon 06/01/20 09:55 PM

A career Criminal...

Resisting arrest after committing another just another in a long list of felonies...

Sounds like a legit reason to burn down buildings, loot and destroy businesses, deface monuments.

msharmony

Tue 06/02/20 07:25 AM

I only agree with looting when stores are going to take the loss no matter what, like in a flood or other natural disaster where supplies for survival end up being scarce otherwise. I never agree with rioting. Protests are a cornerstone of how America stands out and form a timeline of most culturally significant systemic changes in the history of the USA.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Even if he had committed a non violent crime, it was just wrong to kill him for it. As Blondie said, if it was that simple, they would not be fired. There was no excuse. HE was killed by compression that lasted well past the time that he was prone, on the ground, NOT RESISTING.

HE was pulled FROM the police car and thrown on the ground. The store owner 'suspected' a bill was counterfeit. But that is not evidence of a crime because bills cross many hands and often times people do not realize they received them. The appropriate response was to find out where the bill came from. If they decided an arrest was needed, once he was in the car, the rest was excessive fatal use of force. Period. Not to mention the totally senseless heartless choice to tell him to get up and in the car, when they were still HOLDING him down.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html

Edited by msharmony on Tue 06/02/20 07:36 AM

Zion

Tue 06/02/20 08:43 AM

At least two people were killed and at least five police officers were shot on Monday night in the US during protests over the death of George Floyd.

The two deaths were in the Chicago suburb of Cicero, Illinois, officials confirmed.

Four police officers in St. Louis County, Missouri, were shot, though the injuries were not said to be life-threatening.

An officer was shot on the Las Vegas strip. Local media suggested he was more seriously hurt.

There were also violent scenes in Buffalo, New York, New York City, Washington, DC, and Philadelphia, among other cities.

https://www.insider.com/george-floyd-protests-2-dead-5-police-shot-hundreds-arrested-2020-6

I guess those lives don't count...I'm sure there won't be a vigil for those 2 dead in Chicago...that doesn't further the agenda

See, now (it actually should have been 6 days ago) is where the "movement" should lose all respectability and have civic leaders condemning those actions instead of warping the words of MLK to justify the actions. I really don't know what more these protesters want...the cops were fired, the ex-officer responsible has been charged and the wheels of justice are turning...

msharmony

Tue 06/02/20 09:50 AM

The justice system already trends towards those lives counting, unlike black lives. Those victims and families will see some type of justice for their loss. I do not see anyone justifying what you are talking about. There are peaceful protesters out and there are those causing harm to others. They are not all the same group. Those in the latter group should and will be prosecuted. What people want is to see real change, invasive SURGERY on systemic racism, not just band-aids.

Unknow

Tue 06/02/20 10:24 AM

What you need is another war. Not talking about Iraq or Afghanistan. I mean a proper war. Soon all black people will be your friend!
It will never get fixed.
World War 2
USA forces come to the UK. There black service men were segregated from the white.
British black service men were the same as British white.
An incident in a bar between American white and British black. The Americans told the brit to get out. The black British army guy battered them all and was never approached again.
You will never change it.
Like when they shot a black person. Wtf does it take 20 - 30 shots?
Here we can do it with 1or2 clean shots whoa