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oldkid46

Tue 06/16/20 05:24 PM








It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!
Compassion is for people who befall something bad or devastating beyond their control such as natural disasters; compassion is not for people who befall hard times because of poor choices or stupidity!
Funny how I stay in the UK and the Police don't carry guns, but they can deal with people armed, or not that resist arrest, without shooting them, or killing them. Is it not just the case that a some of the Police in the States are going about with the attitude that they're above the law and can do whatever they want while on the job, to whoever they want? Seems like it to me!



I think it is a different cultural mentality. I think violence begets violence mostly. Less violence begets less violence, like a cycle. Treat people as a threat, and they start expecting to be seen as a threat, and making poor choices to defend themselves from that. I think also that the UK is much more whitewashed in many places than America, making it easy to see the bad apples as still 'one of us', than here in the US where there are more types of minorities that can be seen as 'them'.

These are just thoughts, of course. But I find many countries that have policies that would be decried as 'socialist' here do seem to have more regard for human life and caring about the community and not just the self.


America was founded on the concept of caring for oneself and being able to be self reliant. For most of it's existence it has been very rural with a very small segment of the population living in crowded cities. Europe has been the opposite of that for centuries with large concentrations of populations requiring more mutual cooperation among people. The 2 environments and expectations are very different.

Here in the US today, we have those 2 extremes: large urban areas and small rural areas. The people who live there have very different perspectives on life especially when it comes to self sufficiency. There is also much less racial conflict in small cities as there are very few minorities especially African-American. Those that are in the area tend to meld in and be part of the community. Kids all go to the same schools and have the same opportunities and teachers. When you are in the same class, have lunch together, and all support the same sports team for many years you don't recognize that many differences. There is also a much more uniform exposure to role models and people in the community. The larger the cities, the more social and racial dysfunction that exists.



I don't know if that is true. Slavery wasnt exactly 'self reliance' and 'caring for oneself' A lot of knowing how to exploit others for the benefit of oneself was involved in that founding, and is still involved in maintaining the status quo, IMHO.

I think, when push comes to shove, the difference is the skin color and being able to relate to "us vs "them".
Slavery was about someone getting free labor from someone else. It went on for decades around the world. Sometimes it was called slavery and at other times, indentured servants. Still exists in some parts of the world. I don't see the comparison of slavery with maintaining the status quo of today. Obviously there are still African Americans who consider themselves slaves and there are employers who consider themselves masters. Both are at fault and need to change their perception in our world today.
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msharmony

Tue 06/16/20 05:32 PM









It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!
Compassion is for people who befall something bad or devastating beyond their control such as natural disasters; compassion is not for people who befall hard times because of poor choices or stupidity!
Funny how I stay in the UK and the Police don't carry guns, but they can deal with people armed, or not that resist arrest, without shooting them, or killing them. Is it not just the case that a some of the Police in the States are going about with the attitude that they're above the law and can do whatever they want while on the job, to whoever they want? Seems like it to me!



I think it is a different cultural mentality. I think violence begets violence mostly. Less violence begets less violence, like a cycle. Treat people as a threat, and they start expecting to be seen as a threat, and making poor choices to defend themselves from that. I think also that the UK is much more whitewashed in many places than America, making it easy to see the bad apples as still 'one of us', than here in the US where there are more types of minorities that can be seen as 'them'.

These are just thoughts, of course. But I find many countries that have policies that would be decried as 'socialist' here do seem to have more regard for human life and caring about the community and not just the self.


America was founded on the concept of caring for oneself and being able to be self reliant. For most of it's existence it has been very rural with a very small segment of the population living in crowded cities. Europe has been the opposite of that for centuries with large concentrations of populations requiring more mutual cooperation among people. The 2 environments and expectations are very different.

Here in the US today, we have those 2 extremes: large urban areas and small rural areas. The people who live there have very different perspectives on life especially when it comes to self sufficiency. There is also much less racial conflict in small cities as there are very few minorities especially African-American. Those that are in the area tend to meld in and be part of the community. Kids all go to the same schools and have the same opportunities and teachers. When you are in the same class, have lunch together, and all support the same sports team for many years you don't recognize that many differences. There is also a much more uniform exposure to role models and people in the community. The larger the cities, the more social and racial dysfunction that exists.



I don't know if that is true. Slavery wasnt exactly 'self reliance' and 'caring for oneself' A lot of knowing how to exploit others for the benefit of oneself was involved in that founding, and is still involved in maintaining the status quo, IMHO.

I think, when push comes to shove, the difference is the skin color and being able to relate to "us vs "them".
Slavery was about someone getting free labor from someone else. It went on for decades around the world. Sometimes it was called slavery and at other times, indentured servants. Still exists in some parts of the world. I don't see the comparison of slavery with maintaining the status quo of today. Obviously there are still African Americans who consider themselves slaves and there are employers who consider themselves masters. Both are at fault and need to change their perception in our world today.


Making profits off of the work of others is the comparison. That is a bit more complex than merely 'self reliance' or 'caring for oneself'. Self reliance is great, but rarely the simple absolute that the cliche implies. People rely on people. No one lives in a bubble.


Edited by msharmony on Tue 06/16/20 05:32 PM
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oldkid46

Tue 06/16/20 06:33 PM










It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!
Compassion is for people who befall something bad or devastating beyond their control such as natural disasters; compassion is not for people who befall hard times because of poor choices or stupidity!
Funny how I stay in the UK and the Police don't carry guns, but they can deal with people armed, or not that resist arrest, without shooting them, or killing them. Is it not just the case that a some of the Police in the States are going about with the attitude that they're above the law and can do whatever they want while on the job, to whoever they want? Seems like it to me!



I think it is a different cultural mentality. I think violence begets violence mostly. Less violence begets less violence, like a cycle. Treat people as a threat, and they start expecting to be seen as a threat, and making poor choices to defend themselves from that. I think also that the UK is much more whitewashed in many places than America, making it easy to see the bad apples as still 'one of us', than here in the US where there are more types of minorities that can be seen as 'them'.

These are just thoughts, of course. But I find many countries that have policies that would be decried as 'socialist' here do seem to have more regard for human life and caring about the community and not just the self.


America was founded on the concept of caring for oneself and being able to be self reliant. For most of it's existence it has been very rural with a very small segment of the population living in crowded cities. Europe has been the opposite of that for centuries with large concentrations of populations requiring more mutual cooperation among people. The 2 environments and expectations are very different.

Here in the US today, we have those 2 extremes: large urban areas and small rural areas. The people who live there have very different perspectives on life especially when it comes to self sufficiency. There is also much less racial conflict in small cities as there are very few minorities especially African-American. Those that are in the area tend to meld in and be part of the community. Kids all go to the same schools and have the same opportunities and teachers. When you are in the same class, have lunch together, and all support the same sports team for many years you don't recognize that many differences. There is also a much more uniform exposure to role models and people in the community. The larger the cities, the more social and racial dysfunction that exists.



I don't know if that is true. Slavery wasnt exactly 'self reliance' and 'caring for oneself' A lot of knowing how to exploit others for the benefit of oneself was involved in that founding, and is still involved in maintaining the status quo, IMHO.

I think, when push comes to shove, the difference is the skin color and being able to relate to "us vs "them".
Slavery was about someone getting free labor from someone else. It went on for decades around the world. Sometimes it was called slavery and at other times, indentured servants. Still exists in some parts of the world. I don't see the comparison of slavery with maintaining the status quo of today. Obviously there are still African Americans who consider themselves slaves and there are employers who consider themselves masters. Both are at fault and need to change their perception in our world today.


Making profits off of the work of others is the comparison. That is a bit more complex than merely 'self reliance' or 'caring for oneself'. Self reliance is great, but rarely the simple absolute that the cliche implies. People rely on people. No one lives in a bubble.



Making profits off the labor of someone else is not in any way comparable as long as they are paid the prevailing wage for their skill set. You are right that no one lives in a bubble and we all need others who possess skills we do not. In today's society that level of what we need varies considerably. No one who is physically and mentally capable should rely on others to do what they could do for themselves. This is where one of the great debates of today's society exists between different people.
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msharmony

Tue 06/16/20 09:44 PM











It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!
Compassion is for people who befall something bad or devastating beyond their control such as natural disasters; compassion is not for people who befall hard times because of poor choices or stupidity!
Funny how I stay in the UK and the Police don't carry guns, but they can deal with people armed, or not that resist arrest, without shooting them, or killing them. Is it not just the case that a some of the Police in the States are going about with the attitude that they're above the law and can do whatever they want while on the job, to whoever they want? Seems like it to me!



I think it is a different cultural mentality. I think violence begets violence mostly. Less violence begets less violence, like a cycle. Treat people as a threat, and they start expecting to be seen as a threat, and making poor choices to defend themselves from that. I think also that the UK is much more whitewashed in many places than America, making it easy to see the bad apples as still 'one of us', than here in the US where there are more types of minorities that can be seen as 'them'.

These are just thoughts, of course. But I find many countries that have policies that would be decried as 'socialist' here do seem to have more regard for human life and caring about the community and not just the self.


America was founded on the concept of caring for oneself and being able to be self reliant. For most of it's existence it has been very rural with a very small segment of the population living in crowded cities. Europe has been the opposite of that for centuries with large concentrations of populations requiring more mutual cooperation among people. The 2 environments and expectations are very different.

Here in the US today, we have those 2 extremes: large urban areas and small rural areas. The people who live there have very different perspectives on life especially when it comes to self sufficiency. There is also much less racial conflict in small cities as there are very few minorities especially African-American. Those that are in the area tend to meld in and be part of the community. Kids all go to the same schools and have the same opportunities and teachers. When you are in the same class, have lunch together, and all support the same sports team for many years you don't recognize that many differences. There is also a much more uniform exposure to role models and people in the community. The larger the cities, the more social and racial dysfunction that exists.



I don't know if that is true. Slavery wasnt exactly 'self reliance' and 'caring for oneself' A lot of knowing how to exploit others for the benefit of oneself was involved in that founding, and is still involved in maintaining the status quo, IMHO.

I think, when push comes to shove, the difference is the skin color and being able to relate to "us vs "them".
Slavery was about someone getting free labor from someone else. It went on for decades around the world. Sometimes it was called slavery and at other times, indentured servants. Still exists in some parts of the world. I don't see the comparison of slavery with maintaining the status quo of today. Obviously there are still African Americans who consider themselves slaves and there are employers who consider themselves masters. Both are at fault and need to change their perception in our world today.


Making profits off of the work of others is the comparison. That is a bit more complex than merely 'self reliance' or 'caring for oneself'. Self reliance is great, but rarely the simple absolute that the cliche implies. People rely on people. No one lives in a bubble.



Making profits off the labor of someone else is not in any way comparable as long as they are paid the prevailing wage for their skill set. You are right that no one lives in a bubble and we all need others who possess skills we do not. In today's society that level of what we need varies considerably. No one who is physically and mentally capable should rely on others to do what they could do for themselves. This is where one of the great debates of today's society exists between different people.


It is when that wage is set by the masters and not by living standards.I agree though that people will always disagree on their subjective views about what people 'should' be able to do and what they 'could' do for themself.

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JulieABush

Wed 06/17/20 02:54 PM

I’m not sure if anyone on this thread has addressed this and that is the fact of defunding the policenoway . Personally I think this idea is stupid, outrageous and dangerous period. Without them there would be no law and order. Just because of what’s happened recently doesn’t mean all police officers are that way. After all who are you going to call when you need their help only to find there are none?
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oldkid46

Wed 06/17/20 04:27 PM












It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!
Compassion is for people who befall something bad or devastating beyond their control such as natural disasters; compassion is not for people who befall hard times because of poor choices or stupidity!
Funny how I stay in the UK and the Police don't carry guns, but they can deal with people armed, or not that resist arrest, without shooting them, or killing them. Is it not just the case that a some of the Police in the States are going about with the attitude that they're above the law and can do whatever they want while on the job, to whoever they want? Seems like it to me!



I think it is a different cultural mentality. I think violence begets violence mostly. Less violence begets less violence, like a cycle. Treat people as a threat, and they start expecting to be seen as a threat, and making poor choices to defend themselves from that. I think also that the UK is much more whitewashed in many places than America, making it easy to see the bad apples as still 'one of us', than here in the US where there are more types of minorities that can be seen as 'them'.

These are just thoughts, of course. But I find many countries that have policies that would be decried as 'socialist' here do seem to have more regard for human life and caring about the community and not just the self.


America was founded on the concept of caring for oneself and being able to be self reliant. For most of it's existence it has been very rural with a very small segment of the population living in crowded cities. Europe has been the opposite of that for centuries with large concentrations of populations requiring more mutual cooperation among people. The 2 environments and expectations are very different.

Here in the US today, we have those 2 extremes: large urban areas and small rural areas. The people who live there have very different perspectives on life especially when it comes to self sufficiency. There is also much less racial conflict in small cities as there are very few minorities especially African-American. Those that are in the area tend to meld in and be part of the community. Kids all go to the same schools and have the same opportunities and teachers. When you are in the same class, have lunch together, and all support the same sports team for many years you don't recognize that many differences. There is also a much more uniform exposure to role models and people in the community. The larger the cities, the more social and racial dysfunction that exists.



I don't know if that is true. Slavery wasnt exactly 'self reliance' and 'caring for oneself' A lot of knowing how to exploit others for the benefit of oneself was involved in that founding, and is still involved in maintaining the status quo, IMHO.

I think, when push comes to shove, the difference is the skin color and being able to relate to "us vs "them".
Slavery was about someone getting free labor from someone else. It went on for decades around the world. Sometimes it was called slavery and at other times, indentured servants. Still exists in some parts of the world. I don't see the comparison of slavery with maintaining the status quo of today. Obviously there are still African Americans who consider themselves slaves and there are employers who consider themselves masters. Both are at fault and need to change their perception in our world today.


Making profits off of the work of others is the comparison. That is a bit more complex than merely 'self reliance' or 'caring for oneself'. Self reliance is great, but rarely the simple absolute that the cliche implies. People rely on people. No one lives in a bubble.



Making profits off the labor of someone else is not in any way comparable as long as they are paid the prevailing wage for their skill set. You are right that no one lives in a bubble and we all need others who possess skills we do not. In today's society that level of what we need varies considerably. No one who is physically and mentally capable should rely on others to do what they could do for themselves. This is where one of the great debates of today's society exists between different people.


It is when that wage is set by the masters and not by living standards.I agree though that people will always disagree on their subjective views about what people 'should' be able to do and what they 'could' do for themself.


The wage is always set by the "master" or employer. If it is below minimum wage, the government will intervene. If it is below what others are paying, there will be a shortage of employees. The problem will always be solved. What we can or should expect others to do will always be open to debate. We need to acknowledge that a lot of people just aren't very capable of doing lots of things. You would think that with the Utube videos, most people could do most common tasks.
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msharmony

Wed 06/17/20 05:25 PM

I agree. We also acknowledge what it costs in a region to pay for basic living expenses like rent/mortgage, gas, electric, internet, phone, food, and whether pay in that region is enough to sustain it. And we need to acknowledge which jobs are actually open in a region and how much competition there is for those jobs. That acknowledgment, I think, would follow with the acknowledgment that it is not so simple to just 'get a job', if the purpose of working is to have basic living expenses.


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oldkid46

Wed 06/17/20 05:48 PM


I agree. We also acknowledge what it costs in a region to pay for basic living expenses like rent/mortgage, gas, electric, internet, phone, food, and whether pay in that region is enough to sustain it. And we need to acknowledge which jobs are actually open in a region and how much competition there is for those jobs. That acknowledgment, I think, would follow with the acknowledgment that it is not so simple to just 'get a job', if the purpose of working is to have basic living expenses.



Unfortunately what you say is all too real. In many parts of the country there is a severe disconnect between the wage base and the cost of living. In some areas a $12-15/hr full time will provide for one person and maybe a dependent. In other areas that basic wage needs to be in the $20-25/hr to survive. It really isn't fair to the low wage worker trying the best they can. I've supported an adjustable minimum wage that is adjusted for median wage and cost of living for an area. In some areas people would be shocked by what the minimum wage needs to be!
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dust4fun

Wed 06/17/20 07:30 PM













It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!
Compassion is for people who befall something bad or devastating beyond their control such as natural disasters; compassion is not for people who befall hard times because of poor choices or stupidity!
Funny how I stay in the UK and the Police don't carry guns, but they can deal with people armed, or not that resist arrest, without shooting them, or killing them. Is it not just the case that a some of the Police in the States are going about with the attitude that they're above the law and can do whatever they want while on the job, to whoever they want? Seems like it to me!



I think it is a different cultural mentality. I think violence begets violence mostly. Less violence begets less violence, like a cycle. Treat people as a threat, and they start expecting to be seen as a threat, and making poor choices to defend themselves from that. I think also that the UK is much more whitewashed in many places than America, making it easy to see the bad apples as still 'one of us', than here in the US where there are more types of minorities that can be seen as 'them'.

These are just thoughts, of course. But I find many countries that have policies that would be decried as 'socialist' here do seem to have more regard for human life and caring about the community and not just the self.


America was founded on the concept of caring for oneself and being able to be self reliant. For most of it's existence it has been very rural with a very small segment of the population living in crowded cities. Europe has been the opposite of that for centuries with large concentrations of populations requiring more mutual cooperation among people. The 2 environments and expectations are very different.

Here in the US today, we have those 2 extremes: large urban areas and small rural areas. The people who live there have very different perspectives on life especially when it comes to self sufficiency. There is also much less racial conflict in small cities as there are very few minorities especially African-American. Those that are in the area tend to meld in and be part of the community. Kids all go to the same schools and have the same opportunities and teachers. When you are in the same class, have lunch together, and all support the same sports team for many years you don't recognize that many differences. There is also a much more uniform exposure to role models and people in the community. The larger the cities, the more social and racial dysfunction that exists.



I don't know if that is true. Slavery wasnt exactly 'self reliance' and 'caring for oneself' A lot of knowing how to exploit others for the benefit of oneself was involved in that founding, and is still involved in maintaining the status quo, IMHO.

I think, when push comes to shove, the difference is the skin color and being able to relate to "us vs "them".
Slavery was about someone getting free labor from someone else. It went on for decades around the world. Sometimes it was called slavery and at other times, indentured servants. Still exists in some parts of the world. I don't see the comparison of slavery with maintaining the status quo of today. Obviously there are still African Americans who consider themselves slaves and there are employers who consider themselves masters. Both are at fault and need to change their perception in our world today.


Making profits off of the work of others is the comparison. That is a bit more complex than merely 'self reliance' or 'caring for oneself'. Self reliance is great, but rarely the simple absolute that the cliche implies. People rely on people. No one lives in a bubble.



Making profits off the labor of someone else is not in any way comparable as long as they are paid the prevailing wage for their skill set. You are right that no one lives in a bubble and we all need others who possess skills we do not. In today's society that level of what we need varies considerably. No one who is physically and mentally capable should rely on others to do what they could do for themselves. This is where one of the great debates of today's society exists between different people.


It is when that wage is set by the masters and not by living standards.I agree though that people will always disagree on their subjective views about what people 'should' be able to do and what they 'could' do for themself.


The wage is always set by the "master" or employer. If it is below minimum wage, the government will intervene. If it is below what others are paying, there will be a shortage of employees. The problem will always be solved. What we can or should expect others to do will always be open to debate. We need to acknowledge that a lot of people just aren't very capable of doing lots of things. You would think that with the Utube videos, most people could do most common tasks.

Do you people have a clue who picks your fruits and vegetables? Mostly migrant workers from Central America, some legal and some not. Do you think they get minimum wage? Most of them are paid by volume to get around paying them a living wage, and some forms of food and shelter are sometimes supplied. But for the most part they are doing slave labor. Sometimes they need to pay off what it took for them to get here, and other time these farms deduct for certain things. There are many illegals here being taken advantage if while others are sitting on welfare and not doing a thing but still complaining they want more, or those working meaningless jobs for minimum wage but for some reason think they should be compensated the same as those who are doing skilled jobs, or performing physical labor. Increasing minimum wage only increases the cost of everything while devaluing the worth of the American dollar. The actual value to work performed compared to compensation will always vary widely. The thing is people always have the right to get another job whether for better pay or for less responsibility.
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oldkid46

Wed 06/17/20 07:55 PM

Don't mix up minimum wage and living wage. They are often very different things. The other part of reality is when minimum wage increases, wages for skilled workers will also go up. Yes inflation is often the end result.
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mysticalview21

Fri 06/19/20 06:08 PM


I’m not sure if anyone on this thread has addressed this and that is the fact of defunding the policenoway . Personally I think this idea is stupid, outrageous and dangerous period. Without them there would be no law and order. Just because of what’s happened recently doesn’t mean all police officers are that way. After all who are you going to call when you need their help only to find there are none?


I believe the wording is use wrong... not defunding but putting some of that $
into some parts of that in neglected neighborhoods ... and start to know your police on the forces for your city ... not bring in military to fight those trying to be peaceful ... and they are finding out that most that burnt the building and trashed others ...where under cover police ... becouse this gives the police the cause of hurting others... that are not violent... shameful ... and those trying to take out the journalist... that try and give in put out the truth ...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 06/19/20 06:40 PM
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mysticalview21

Fri 06/19/20 06:29 PM

I wanted to put this out before I forget ... laugh


I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide...

really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ...
found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ...
and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some...

I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 06/19/20 06:38 PM
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msharmony

Fri 06/19/20 08:35 PM


I wanted to put this out before I forget ... laugh


I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide...

really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ...
found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ...
and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some...

I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ...


Thank you so much mystical. There have been so many things brought up here to address in this thread.

First, I am saddened by the 'some people have it worse' argument. BEing beaten AND raped my be worse than just being beaten, but that has nothing to do with whether being beaten is bad. Immmigrants do have it worse for very hard work, which means that should ALSO be addressed. IT is an additional issue, not one that somehow negates other issues.

Second, about the hangings, I can at least understand that suicides do happen this way, and that current times may make some folks suicidal. I do not believe that is the case with ALL of these hangings, but I understand the tendency to rather think they were than to think they were homicides.


Third. I hate to hear people talk about employment and wages as if it's like going outside to pick your favorite weed. As I have stated before, there are many factors, like region one lives in and what employment is available IN that region, and what qualifications and/or numbers are competing for the job opening, and whether pay is commiserate with the expenses to go to a job, like potential child care and transportation and wardrobe costs, et cetera. It is not just a simple 'just get a job' equation. And the assumption of whether those needing or receiving assistance are just 'sitting' on welfare. Welfare does not even allow people to 'sit' on it anymore. The stereotypes must stop. The wages MUST keep up regionally with the costs of living. I personally think the subjective standard of the 'value' of work should be set at a minimum in all regions, based on the minimum cost of living for an individual residing there.



AS to the racist brand names, I feel honestly that people are too soft and triggered by too many things. The names are based upon the names that were founded, and as brands, and understanding the context of their founding, I am not personally upset or in need of them to change their brand names. I feel like, with retail items, market will determine whether something is wanted or not. I buy Aunt Jemima because it tastes good and it is the name I know, not because I don't like the particular image of a black woman they chose.

However, each brand or company should be able to decide if they want to change branding or image. The market will direct them along the way.
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/19/20 08:38 PM
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dust4fun

Sun 06/21/20 09:09 PM



I wanted to put this out before I forget ... laugh


I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide...

really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ...
found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ...
and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some...

I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ...


Thank you so much mystical. There have been so many things brought up here to address in this thread.

First, I am saddened by the 'some people have it worse' argument. BEing beaten AND raped my be worse than just being beaten, but that has nothing to do with whether being beaten is bad. Immmigrants do have it worse for very hard work, which means that should ALSO be addressed. IT is an additional issue, not one that somehow negates other issues.

Second, about the hangings, I can at least understand that suicides do happen this way, and that current times may make some folks suicidal. I do not believe that is the case with ALL of these hangings, but I understand the tendency to rather think they were than to think they were homicides.


Third. I hate to hear people talk about employment and wages as if it's like going outside to pick your favorite weed. As I have stated before, there are many factors, like region one lives in and what employment is available IN that region, and what qualifications and/or numbers are competing for the job opening, and whether pay is commiserate with the expenses to go to a job, like potential child care and transportation and wardrobe costs, et cetera. It is not just a simple 'just get a job' equation. And the assumption of whether those needing or receiving assistance are just 'sitting' on welfare. Welfare does not even allow people to 'sit' on it anymore. The stereotypes must stop. The wages MUST keep up regionally with the costs of living. I personally think the subjective standard of the 'value' of work should be set at a minimum in all regions, based on the minimum cost of living for an individual residing there.



AS to the racist brand names, I feel honestly that people are too soft and triggered by too many things. The names are based upon the names that were founded, and as brands, and understanding the context of their founding, I am not personally upset or in need of them to change their brand names. I feel like, with retail items, market will determine whether something is wanted or not. I buy Aunt Jemima because it tastes good and it is the name I know, not because I don't like the particular image of a black woman they chose.

However, each brand or company should be able to decide if they want to change branding or image. The market will direct them along the way.

Finding a job is almost as easy as going out and picking your favorite weed, and a single person should be able to survive on something close to minimum wage. The issue becomes when a single woman with 3 illegitimate kids gets a job they have to find someone to watch those kids and they have 4 mouths to feed and shelter instead of just 1 and generally they have no skills or experience to bring to the table to make them worth a higher wage, even people with college degrees often have to start at a low wage until they have experience in the field. And if a guy has child support to pay he's in basically the same position as the single mom just without the daycare responsibility. I've been thru the 4 simple steps to keep a job that many cannot fallow. 1. Show up on time. 2.show up everyday. 3.do your work while you are at work. 4. Act professional while you are at work. Millions are able to do this everyday, however many are not able to preform these tasks often because they just don't have respect. Life choices at a young age can affect not only you but possibly generations to come. There are good jobs out there in construction and production and they are willing to train the right people, but these people need to fallow the 4 rules.
I haven't really been following the hangings but I will say when a loser like Floyd becomes a hero some people who are just not right may see this as a way to make a name for themselves. While others may have been supremacists who feel the blacks are gaining too much power at this time. However I don't believe there is any kind of police conspiracy going on. With all the video being taken in this day n age its hard to believe at least something would not be picked up somewhere. There may be a rouge officer here or there, but for the most part not only blacks, but also other nationalities are getting killed by cops because of their fighting, fleeing, and going for the officers weapons. These cops are making life and death decisions not only of the suspects, but also their own lives and public safety. I think many have been pushed so hard so many times that it becomes only a matter of time before something happens. In a lot of ways these officers go thru things similarly to soldiers in some of the crime infested neighborhoods and yet are still expected to function as an ordinary person on a daily basis even though we've become all too familiar with the difficulty many returning soldiers have adapting back to civilian life.
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mysticalview21

Wed 06/24/20 05:39 PM




I wanted to put this out before I forget ... laugh


I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide...

really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ...
found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ...
and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some...

I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ...


Thank you so much mystical. There have been so many things brought up here to address in this thread.

First, I am saddened by the 'some people have it worse' argument. BEing beaten AND raped my be worse than just being beaten, but that has nothing to do with whether being beaten is bad. Immmigrants do have it worse for very hard work, which means that should ALSO be addressed. IT is an additional issue, not one that somehow negates other issues.

Second, about the hangings, I can at least understand that suicides do happen this way, and that current times may make some folks suicidal. I do not believe that is the case with ALL of these hangings, but I understand the tendency to rather think they were than to think they were homicides.


Third. I hate to hear people talk about employment and wages as if it's like going outside to pick your favorite weed. As I have stated before, there are many factors, like region one lives in and what employment is available IN that region, and what qualifications and/or numbers are competing for the job opening, and whether pay is commiserate with the expenses to go to a job, like potential child care and transportation and wardrobe costs, et cetera. It is not just a simple 'just get a job' equation. And the assumption of whether those needing or receiving assistance are just 'sitting' on welfare. Welfare does not even allow people to 'sit' on it anymore. The stereotypes must stop. The wages MUST keep up regionally with the costs of living. I personally think the subjective standard of the 'value' of work should be set at a minimum in all regions, based on the minimum cost of living for an individual residing there.



AS to the racist brand names, I feel honestly that people are too soft and triggered by too many things. The names are based upon the names that were founded, and as brands, and understanding the context of their founding, I am not personally upset or in need of them to change their brand names. I feel like, with retail items, market will determine whether something is wanted or not. I buy Aunt Jemima because it tastes good and it is the name I know, not because I don't like the particular image of a black woman they chose.

However, each brand or company should be able to decide if they want to change branding or image. The market will direct them along the way.

Finding a job is almost as easy as going out and picking your favorite weed, and a single person should be able to survive on something close to minimum wage. The issue becomes when a single woman with 3 illegitimate kids gets a job they have to find someone to watch those kids and they have 4 mouths to feed and shelter instead of just 1 and generally they have no skills or experience to bring to the table to make them worth a higher wage, even people with college degrees often have to start at a low wage until they have experience in the field. And if a guy has child support to pay he's in basically the same position as the single mom just without the daycare responsibility. I've been thru the 4 simple steps to keep a job that many cannot fallow. 1. Show up on time. 2.show up everyday. 3.do your work while you are at work. 4. Act professional while you are at work. Millions are able to do this everyday, however many are not able to preform these tasks often because they just don't have respect. Life choices at a young age can affect not only you but possibly generations to come. There are good jobs out there in construction and production and they are willing to train the right people, but these people need to fallow the 4 rules.
I haven't really been following the hangings but I will say when a loser like Floyd becomes a hero some people who are just not right may see this as a way to make a name for themselves. While others may have been supremacists who feel the blacks are gaining too much power at this time. However I don't believe there is any kind of police conspiracy going on. With all the video being taken in this day n age its hard to believe at least something would not be picked up somewhere. There may be a rouge officer here or there, but for the most part not only blacks, but also other nationalities are getting killed by cops because of their fighting, fleeing, and going for the officers weapons. These cops are making life and death decisions not only of the suspects, but also their own lives and public safety. I think many have been pushed so hard so many times that it becomes only a matter of time before something happens. In a lot of ways these officers go thru things similarly to soldiers in some of the crime infested neighborhoods and yet are still expected to function as an ordinary person on a daily basis even though we've become all too familiar with the difficulty many returning soldiers have adapting back to civilian life.




I believe your talking about two differnt things ... where not talking about

what becomes of solders after war ... I support them always have ...

it is more how the police get to kill someone and get off even when it is done right in front of a crowd ... it is not just about this one person ... it is about the rules that police do not follow ... and seems killing blacks

the way they do ... is less paper work for them ... ck this out ... know ? just shot this boy dead ... https://youtu.be/yzj24uHKWv0

this goes back as far as https://youtu.be/sdktDOeG2VI
Rodney King...

and just goes on and on with police committing crimes when they are suppose to be protecting the neighborhoods...

then there was this one Miami police shoot caretaker of autistic man...
https://youtu.be/rwHJL5X97Do


I could go on and on with police getting away with shootings or killings of blacks ... boys and men an women ... but sad to say the police got more $ for drug bust and more equipment... did not seem like congress did ch*t ...
did not address black lives matter but could be wrong ...

if they do not do anything to stop these killings by police ...riots and some will not be peaceful ... much anger here ... an around the world ... will continue...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Wed 06/24/20 05:46 PM
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dust4fun

Fri 06/26/20 05:45 PM

Peoples stupidity does not = society's fault.
Peoples laziness does not = society's fault.
Peoples lack of judgement does not= society's fault.
Peoples lack of respect does not = society's fault.
If you are an alcoholic its your poor choices that got you there, not society's fault.
If you are 150lbs over weight and have diabetes its your lack of good choices and/or your genetic make-up, not society's fault.
If your addicted to drugs you've made some bad choices in your life, not society's fault.
If you decide to have a child you can't afford to take care of its not society's fault.
If you decide to run around with a gun or try to wrestle a cops weapon away from them and you get killed its not society's fault.
Its about time people start taking responsibility for their own actions, show some respect, stop playing the victim, and stop blaming society for the choices they make.
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mysticalview21

Fri 06/26/20 08:07 PM


Peoples stupidity does not = society's fault.
Peoples laziness does not = society's fault.
Peoples lack of judgement does not= society's fault.
Peoples lack of respect does not = society's fault.
If you are an alcoholic its your poor choices that got you there, not society's fault.
If you are 150lbs over weight and have diabetes its your lack of good choices and/or your genetic make-up, not society's fault.
If your addicted to drugs you've made some bad choices in your life, not society's fault.
If you decide to have a child you can't afford to take care of its not society's fault.
If you decide to run around with a gun or try to wrestle a cops weapon away from them and you get killed its not society's fault.
Its about time people start taking responsibility for their own actions, show some respect, stop playing the victim, and stop blaming society for the choices they make.


who died and made you god ... saying society is not a fault is not true ...
yes some can be responsible for their selves but some can not ..that is why we have rule of law ... we would not need it under your words ...

you can argue all you want but looks like your a little to white... to understand anything that blacks or any other race has gone through ... this is life that people have to live with every day ... and if u have no issue with your self good ... carry on ... but until you have walked in another persons shoes ... your talk is cheep... an is all you may have ... many blessings on your journey ...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 06/26/20 08:34 PM
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Fri 06/26/20 08:31 PM

here I go listening to the news again ... what the government is doing about cop killers and their unions ... nothing ... don't let them tell you police have the right to kill blacks or anyone else for that matter and get away with it ... like they did with this one to ...

https://youtu.be/De9gyfbdlv4


and my goodness do they not understand what is happening ... they are trying for a race war ... so those that think like the kkk can start the killings and possible the hangings again ... those people did not committee suicide... someone did that to them ... one of the main things here... is “We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f------ n------,” he said.


police men ->‘We are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them’: Three cops fired after racist talk of killing blacks... this shows how deep this has gotten and taking down all of the statues that are really white men ways of thinking in the passed ...even though did not happen that way ... personalty ...I don't care one way or another ... and think if they want to save them put them in a museum and put the truth on their markers ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/25/wilmington-racist-police-recording/





I just have some hope that they will start giving the blacks a little more credit then they have had in the past ...so as not letting the white man start a race war ... becouse that is where it would start ... not from peaceful protesters...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 06/26/20 08:36 PM
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msharmony

Fri 06/26/20 11:10 PM




I wanted to put this out before I forget ... laugh


I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide...

really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ...
found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ...
and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some...

I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ...


Thank you so much mystical. There have been so many things brought up here to address in this thread.

First, I am saddened by the 'some people have it worse' argument. BEing beaten AND raped my be worse than just being beaten, but that has nothing to do with whether being beaten is bad. Immmigrants do have it worse for very hard work, which means that should ALSO be addressed. IT is an additional issue, not one that somehow negates other issues.

Second, about the hangings, I can at least understand that suicides do happen this way, and that current times may make some folks suicidal. I do not believe that is the case with ALL of these hangings, but I understand the tendency to rather think they were than to think they were homicides.


Third. I hate to hear people talk about employment and wages as if it's like going outside to pick your favorite weed. As I have stated before, there are many factors, like region one lives in and what employment is available IN that region, and what qualifications and/or numbers are competing for the job opening, and whether pay is commiserate with the expenses to go to a job, like potential child care and transportation and wardrobe costs, et cetera. It is not just a simple 'just get a job' equation. And the assumption of whether those needing or receiving assistance are just 'sitting' on welfare. Welfare does not even allow people to 'sit' on it anymore. The stereotypes must stop. The wages MUST keep up regionally with the costs of living. I personally think the subjective standard of the 'value' of work should be set at a minimum in all regions, based on the minimum cost of living for an individual residing there.



AS to the racist brand names, I feel honestly that people are too soft and triggered by too many things. The names are based upon the names that were founded, and as brands, and understanding the context of their founding, I am not personally upset or in need of them to change their brand names. I feel like, with retail items, market will determine whether something is wanted or not. I buy Aunt Jemima because it tastes good and it is the name I know, not because I don't like the particular image of a black woman they chose.

However, each brand or company should be able to decide if they want to change branding or image. The market will direct them along the way.

Finding a job is almost as easy as going out and picking your favorite weed, and a single person should be able to survive on something close to minimum wage. The issue becomes when a single woman with 3 illegitimate kids gets a job they have to find someone to watch those kids and they have 4 mouths to feed and shelter instead of just 1 and generally they have no skills or experience to bring to the table to make them worth a higher wage, even people with college degrees often have to start at a low wage until they have experience in the field. And if a guy has child support to pay he's in basically the same position as the single mom just without the daycare responsibility. I've been thru the 4 simple steps to keep a job that many cannot fallow. 1. Show up on time. 2.show up everyday. 3.do your work while you are at work. 4. Act professional while you are at work. Millions are able to do this everyday, however many are not able to preform these tasks often because they just don't have respect. Life choices at a young age can affect not only you but possibly generations to come. There are good jobs out there in construction and production and they are willing to train the right people, but these people need to fallow the 4 rules.
I haven't really been following the hangings but I will say when a loser like Floyd becomes a hero some people who are just not right may see this as a way to make a name for themselves. While others may have been supremacists who feel the blacks are gaining too much power at this time. However I don't believe there is any kind of police conspiracy going on. With all the video being taken in this day n age its hard to believe at least something would not be picked up somewhere. There may be a rouge officer here or there, but for the most part not only blacks, but also other nationalities are getting killed by cops because of their fighting, fleeing, and going for the officers weapons. These cops are making life and death decisions not only of the suspects, but also their own lives and public safety. I think many have been pushed so hard so many times that it becomes only a matter of time before something happens. In a lot of ways these officers go thru things similarly to soldiers in some of the crime infested neighborhoods and yet are still expected to function as an ordinary person on a daily basis even though we've become all too familiar with the difficulty many returning soldiers have adapting back to civilian life.



This seems very judgmental and misogynist. What does it matter if a child is 'legitimate' and how is any child not? Life spans over many years, and many things can and do happen that leave people as single parents besides just some 'illegitimate' situation.

Here in Vegas, minimum wage is about 8.50. That means, if you get 40 hours, 340 a week, before tax, before any kind of insurance. If one does not mind living amongst roaches and drugs and crime, they may get a one bedroom for 750 dollars. IF we do not consider taxes or insurance, that leaves roughly 500 a month for their gas, electric, telephone, grocery, and transportation, that is IF they do not mind living with roaches, drug and crime. And then, as I said before, you do not just go out and 'get' a job. In such areas, the competition for even low wage will be high, and employers paying those wages do not want seasoned workers who are not as easily moldable or trainable, and possibly more skilled or wise than they are.

I do not know what type of jobs you have competed for as an adult, but I believe the outlook expressed here to be idealistic and narcissistic. Many people have many various situations. You being able to do something, does not make those who can or do not do it any less or more 'lazy' or disrespectful than you.

As for Floyd, I do not know who says he is a hero or why he needs to be for his impact upon societal views and possibly societal change to be recognized.



Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/26/20 11:14 PM
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Sat 06/27/20 02:16 PM





I wanted to put this out before I forget ... laugh


I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide...

really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ...
found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ...
and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some...

I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ...


Thank you so much mystical. There have been so many things brought up here to address in this thread.

First, I am saddened by the 'some people have it worse' argument. BEing beaten AND raped my be worse than just being beaten, but that has nothing to do with whether being beaten is bad. Immmigrants do have it worse for very hard work, which means that should ALSO be addressed. IT is an additional issue, not one that somehow negates other issues.

Second, about the hangings, I can at least understand that suicides do happen this way, and that current times may make some folks suicidal. I do not believe that is the case with ALL of these hangings, but I understand the tendency to rather think they were than to think they were homicides.


Third. I hate to hear people talk about employment and wages as if it's like going outside to pick your favorite weed. As I have stated before, there are many factors, like region one lives in and what employment is available IN that region, and what qualifications and/or numbers are competing for the job opening, and whether pay is commiserate with the expenses to go to a job, like potential child care and transportation and wardrobe costs, et cetera. It is not just a simple 'just get a job' equation. And the assumption of whether those needing or receiving assistance are just 'sitting' on welfare. Welfare does not even allow people to 'sit' on it anymore. The stereotypes must stop. The wages MUST keep up regionally with the costs of living. I personally think the subjective standard of the 'value' of work should be set at a minimum in all regions, based on the minimum cost of living for an individual residing there.



AS to the racist brand names, I feel honestly that people are too soft and triggered by too many things. The names are based upon the names that were founded, and as brands, and understanding the context of their founding, I am not personally upset or in need of them to change their brand names. I feel like, with retail items, market will determine whether something is wanted or not. I buy Aunt Jemima because it tastes good and it is the name I know, not because I don't like the particular image of a black woman they chose.

However, each brand or company should be able to decide if they want to change branding or image. The market will direct them along the way.

Finding a job is almost as easy as going out and picking your favorite weed, and a single person should be able to survive on something close to minimum wage. The issue becomes when a single woman with 3 illegitimate kids gets a job they have to find someone to watch those kids and they have 4 mouths to feed and shelter instead of just 1 and generally they have no skills or experience to bring to the table to make them worth a higher wage, even people with college degrees often have to start at a low wage until they have experience in the field. And if a guy has child support to pay he's in basically the same position as the single mom just without the daycare responsibility. I've been thru the 4 simple steps to keep a job that many cannot fallow. 1. Show up on time. 2.show up everyday. 3.do your work while you are at work. 4. Act professional while you are at work. Millions are able to do this everyday, however many are not able to preform these tasks often because they just don't have respect. Life choices at a young age can affect not only you but possibly generations to come. There are good jobs out there in construction and production and they are willing to train the right people, but these people need to fallow the 4 rules.
I haven't really been following the hangings but I will say when a loser like Floyd becomes a hero some people who are just not right may see this as a way to make a name for themselves. While others may have been supremacists who feel the blacks are gaining too much power at this time. However I don't believe there is any kind of police conspiracy going on. With all the video being taken in this day n age its hard to believe at least something would not be picked up somewhere. There may be a rouge officer here or there, but for the most part not only blacks, but also other nationalities are getting killed by cops because of their fighting, fleeing, and going for the officers weapons. These cops are making life and death decisions not only of the suspects, but also their own lives and public safety. I think many have been pushed so hard so many times that it becomes only a matter of time before something happens. In a lot of ways these officers go thru things similarly to soldiers in some of the crime infested neighborhoods and yet are still expected to function as an ordinary person on a daily basis even though we've become all too familiar with the difficulty many returning soldiers have adapting back to civilian life.



This seems very judgmental and misogynist. What does it matter if a child is 'legitimate' and how is any child not? Life spans over many years, and many things can and do happen that leave people as single parents besides just some 'illegitimate' situation.

Here in Vegas, minimum wage is about 8.50. That means, if you get 40 hours, 340 a week, before tax, before any kind of insurance. If one does not mind living amongst roaches and drugs and crime, they may get a one bedroom for 750 dollars. IF we do not consider taxes or insurance, that leaves roughly 500 a month for their gas, electric, telephone, grocery, and transportation, that is IF they do not mind living with roaches, drug and crime. And then, as I said before, you do not just go out and 'get' a job. In such areas, the competition for even low wage will be high, and employers paying those wages do not want seasoned workers who are not as easily moldable or trainable, and possibly more skilled or wise than they are.

I do not know what type of jobs you have competed for as an adult, but I believe the outlook expressed here to be idealistic and narcissistic. Many people have many various situations. You being able to do something, does not make those who can or do not do it any less or more 'lazy' or disrespectful than you.

As for Floyd, I do not know who says he is a hero or why he needs to be for his impact upon societal views and possibly societal change to be recognized.




It isn't what the minimum wage is but what the prevailing wage is for minimal skilled workers. In my area, most places must offer $14-15 to get someone to work in fast food or a convenience store as a starting wage. A decent place to live will run in the $600-900/ month. It is all back to what the local situation is someplace.