Topic: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DEAD?
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tdion

Sun 12/06/20 02:15 PM

The body will indeed return to dust but that's not the end, since the soul will return to God who gave it.

[Ecclesiastes 12:7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Our thoughts and emotions are parts of our souls and remain intact after we die. There are examples in the scriptures of reincarnation and without such, our lifes would be meaningless.

Edited by tdion on Sun 12/06/20 02:23 PM
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The Wrong Alice

Mon 12/07/20 12:58 AM

Well the church of England is protestant, and they sure don't mention a bloodline, and they do say that Mary was a virgin
So, Jesus was Jewish, I believe that's a different religion. They don't believe in the Resurrection, and neither do I, and surely if the bible was written in a Jewish language they would have a better understanding of it, and that would leave no room for the constant arguments regarding mistranslation
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tdion

Mon 12/07/20 09:00 AM

There is no mistranslation. There are simply two Gospels.

1. The Gospel of Christ (which can be found in the holy bible).
2. The Gospel of Christianty know as the Catechism of Rome.
(the compilation of paper bulls, decrees or letters of the Popes).

Those two are completely different and will confuse you, if you
don't read them "separately" for the understanding of TRUTH.
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The Wrong Alice

Mon 12/07/20 09:34 AM

But I thought the bible was just parts of the Torah.
Which is confusing, as they don't believe in the resurrection
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tdion

Mon 12/07/20 06:16 PM


But I thought the bible was just parts of the Torah.
Which is confusing, as they don't believe in the resurrection


The Torah is the first 5 books of the bible written by Moses. It's the Torah that is part of the bible, and not the bible of the Torah. Jesus was not Jewish but a Jew meaning a descendant of Judah, who was the 4th son of Jacob. The bloodline goes from Jacob, his 12 sons and their descendants.

Jewish means to act like a Jew. The Jewish people call themselves Israeli and not Israelites. The Jewish people do make claims to be the real Jews, but history and the bible are telling a different story.

Our believes can't change the truth and what we must do is listen to what Jesus himself is saying in the bible. For he nor the Father will tell a lie.
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tdion

Mon 12/07/20 10:35 PM

To neutral zone:

You need to do your research. You didn't answer my questions and therefore I can't discuss this subject further.
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The Wrong Alice

Mon 12/07/20 11:34 PM

Well that is confusing, and surely cannot be correct.
Jesus is not Jewish, but is a jew which is surely short for Jewish.
And surely there was no bible until jesus came along, as there was no christianity
Yet there was Judaism, way before Jesus or Christianity, so presumably some sort of Jewish holy scripture
Besides that, you say Jesus was a Jew, presumably Joseph and Mary were Jews, Moses ( you call them the books of Moses) was a Jew, Moses took the Jews to freedom. The text I believe was originally written in a Jewish language.
There's usually some mention of Solomn somewhere along the line, whome I believe was a Jewish King. Many of the churches in England, have a seal of Solomon or star of David on the clock, which is on the tower. Many of the people who go to church, also go to a recreation of the Temple of Solomon.
Now I'm not Albert Einstein, but I'm sensing a common thread

Thus I try to keep an open mind, and not just rely on an old book from 1 branch of religion, that generally it's followers cannot even agree amongst themselves.

Sure Jesus had a big influence on a lot of people. But there were many more people and parts of the world, that he didn't have an influence on. The Americas, the 2 Poles, Acrica, Australia, and much of Asia ( I.e. Iran, Iraq, India, China, Thaliand and so on ). So really what did he have an influence on, a bit of Asia and Europe, hardly the whole world

As to what happens to the dead, I don't know. But maybe there is the possibility of more than 1 outcome
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tdion

Tue 12/08/20 04:41 AM


Well that is confusing, and surely cannot be correct.
Jesus is not Jewish, but is a jew which is surely short for Jewish.
And surely there was no bible until jesus came along, as there was no christianity
Yet there was Judaism, way before Jesus or Christianity, so presumably some sort of Jewish holy scripture
Besides that, you say Jesus was a Jew, presumably Joseph and Mary were Jews, Moses ( you call them the books of Moses) was a Jew, Moses took the Jews to freedom. The text I believe was originally written in a Jewish language.
There's usually some mention of Solomn somewhere along the line, whome I believe was a Jewish King. Many of the churches in England, have a seal of Solomon or star of David on the clock, which is on the tower. Many of the people who go to church, also go to a recreation of the Temple of Solomon.
Now I'm not Albert Einstein, but I'm sensing a common thread

Thus I try to keep an open mind, and not just rely on an old book from 1 branch of religion, that generally it's followers cannot even agree amongst themselves.

Sure Jesus had a big influence on a lot of people. But there were many more people and parts of the world, that he didn't have an influence on. The Americas, the 2 Poles, Acrica, Australia, and much of Asia ( I.e. Iran, Iraq, India, China, Thaliand and so on ). So really what did he have an influence on, a bit of Asia and Europe, hardly the whole world

As to what happens to the dead, I don't know. But maybe there is the possibility of more than 1 outcome


Jew is short for Judah. Judah was a son of Jacob who's name was changed to Israel. Jewish is not a biblical term or nationality. Jew(ish) means to act like a jew. If I say you are childish then it only means, that you behave like one. Further more, it's not possible to convert from a nationality to a religion. If a Chinese converts to Christianity he will still be a Chinese. The same goes for the Ashkenazies who converted to Judaism. They can't become Jews why they call themselves Jewish. It's the seed and bloodline that determines the nationality.

Solomon was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah. It's important to understand the lineage. The New Testament came approximately 200 years after Christ. Prior to that Torah/Tenak was the main script. Jesus was teaching Moses while he walked the earth. Not presumably, both were Jews.

Moses was not a Jew but an Israelite of the tribe of Levi. He was a prophet and levitical priest. He did not free the jews only, but the twelve tribes of Israel from the hands of Pharao.

There is no such thing as a "Jewish language". The real Jews spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The Jewish people in Israel speak Yiddish which is actually an European Language, originated from the old German language. The Jewish people are often called Ashkenazi because their biblical lineage goes back to a man named Gomer who was the son of Japhet.

Jesus audience was the Israelites, his people. That's the nation he came for. He had no interest in other nations and was hated by the nations, you just mentioned. He came not for the whole world. After the reign of King Solomon the 12 tribes was splitted into two separate Kingdoms. 3 of the tribes became known as Judah and those were the people who followed Christ. The other tribes were not in Rome with Christ but migrated to what we call today the Americas. Incase these confuses you; I only deal with the bible. No christianity.

At a certain period of his life, Solomon went into Idolatry and was worshipping the Gods of his many wives. The Seal and star of David are Pagan symbols and among others, the freemasons and Rosicrucians, adopted some symbols into their rites. The extend of his Idolatry is not known, and the bible doesn't deal with it.

Life is a cycle and as such it repeats itself.





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The Wrong Alice

Tue 12/08/20 05:12 AM

Israelis, jewish people. It would seem that most Isrealis are Jewish people, okay not all. And obviously not all Jewish people are Israelis. But presumably ( and I maybe wrong ) they all believe that they're descended from these 12 tribes.
The point is, there seems to be an awful lot of Israelis in this book. In fact it would seem that anybody who is not an Israeli, is, well, a baddie. You know, the Egyptians, the Roman's. They hardly come across well. The Israelis are the goodies, everybody else are the baddies, but it's not about that, it's about the Christians.

And I think Moses was around for quite awhile before Jesus, like over a 1000 years before.
So, are you saying that Moses lived to be over 1000 years old, and that when that young whipper snapper Jesus came along, that Jesus began teaching him stuff. Oh, and you never did mention whether you believed in the resurrection or not
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tdion

Tue 12/08/20 05:42 AM


Israelis, jewish people. It would seem that most Isrealis are Jewish people, okay not all. And obviously not all Jewish people are Israelis. But presumably ( and I maybe wrong ) they all believe that they're descended from these 12 tribes.
The point is, there seems to be an awful lot of Israelis in this book. In fact it would seem that anybody who is not an Israeli, is, well, a baddie. You know, the Egyptians, the Roman's. They hardly come across well. The Israelis are the goodies, everybody else are the baddies, but it's not about that, it's about the Christians.

And I think Moses was around for quite awhile before Jesus, like over a 1000 years before.
So, are you saying that Moses lived to be over 1000 years old, and that when that young whipper snapper Jesus came along, that Jesus began teaching him stuff. Oh, and you never did mention whether you believed in the resurrection or not


No, they say that they are the Jews. The other 11 tribes are lost and they have no interest in finding them.. Moses started his mission when he was 80 years old. His journey to the promised land lasted 40 years, and he died at the age of 120. Yes, Christ was born over 1500 years after Moses died.

Jesus did not literally teach moses, but he taught the Torah, namely the laws.

Jesus resurrected in a different body, that's why the disciples didn't recognize him. He left the earth with his new body thru the clouds. The clouds are the chariots of God.



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The Wrong Alice

Tue 12/08/20 06:49 AM

So Moses taught Jesus, through the Torah, a jewish holy book.
And Jesus was resurrected, sort of in that his body died. But then after a few days, his spirit went into a new body, and thus salvation.
What happened to the spirit that was previously in Jesus's new body, and what was he called?. Is that bit in the bible or Torah. Did Jesus ask him, did he for instance say, Brian, look mate, I've always liked you , but the thing is, I will shortly die, and when I do, I want to offer salvation for everybody, and to do that, I'll have to be ressurcted. Now I can't use the same body, I'll need a new 1, would it be okay, if I used yours
Sure thing Jesus, no worries mate. Oh, but what will happen to me.
Never mind all that, I'm Jesus, here, have a banana
Oh, i like bananas, thanks
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tdion

Tue 12/08/20 03:47 PM

|[Jeremiah 17:9] The heart (mind) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it?
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Elena

Sat 12/19/20 11:01 PM

“The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate,”--- Jeremiah said (Jeremiah 17: 9).
Cunning of the heart can manifest itself in the fact that we justify our mistakes, belittle shortcomings, try to explain weaknesses, or exaggerate achievements. A broken heart can also lead to hypocrisy, and then our lips will flatter one thing and our deeds another. How important it is to be honest when we test our heart's motives!

That's right!

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Toodygirl5

Sat 02/27/21 02:15 PM

Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing
before the throne, and the books were opened; and another
book was open, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Revelation 20:15

And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.



NASB
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Toodygirl5

Sat 02/27/21 02:25 PM



Yes, the Bible is not a textbook, much less propaganda.
The Bible is the Word of God. And they began to write it when such concepts did not
exist.
God does not force anyone to serve himself. Therefore, he does not need to propagate
anything.




True!