Will the God forgive euthanasia?
If a person was very sick and would never be cured. He/she was extremely painful. Will the God forgive him/her if he/she went to Switzerland to have euthanasia?
I asked the priest of our church. He said no, because euthanasia was one type of murdering.
Simultaneously, the "war of justice" has been recognized by the church, even such kind of war could not avoid killing innocent people.
Nevertheless, both euthanasia and "war of justice" are killing. Why is the latter one legal? Is the church selective-blinded and double-standard?

I don't mean to offend Christians by asking the question. I am also a Christian. I just feel that the priest's answer could not convince me.

New Zealand has just recently passed a law (by majority) which permits euthanasia (under certain conditions ) . I fully support a persons right to have control over the end of life process during palliation . I will always support a compassionate approach . Religion has a powerful opportunity to support physical , emotional and spiritual well-being without guilt . I would hope god and his church would not endorse suffering .

Indeed my dear sister. The church is double minded, and the bible tells us that a double minded man (the church) is unstable and can't be trusted. The Pope has recently announced the changing of "The LORD's Prayer" which prayer was given by Christ himself. The Pope exalts himself above Christ, and therefore we must take heed that no man deceives us. This is again proof of the evils that men do, under the banner of Christianity. In the late 1400, Ferdinand II and his wife Esabella, leaded the Catholic church of Spain and Portugal with unspeakable wickedness, which continues till this day.

As for Euthanasia, the word itself, will not be found in the bible but killing oneself would be considered as being weak in faith and not having trust in the LORD. God is pro life and euthanasia is therefore against God.

[1 Corinthians 6:19] What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye HAVE of GOD, and ye are NOT your own?

Our body is NOT a gift of God but His sole POSSESSION. That's how important our body is!

[Job 15:31] Let not him that is deceived trust in vanity: for vanity shall be his recompence.

Further more [Galatians 6:7] Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. This is what we call Karma, and Since the body is not ours, nor of the church or any men but of God Himself, Euthanasia can't be approved and will be judged, NOT forgiven.

Islam permits euthanasia to be done by doctors under certain conditions

I think that she actually wanted to know if there is forgiveness from the All Mighty, and the answer would be a fat "NO".

Hi, are you meaning 'The Just War' theory where the ancient Christian theologians put together the precepts for the 'Just War'?

The "Just war theory" is not biblical and will not stand before GOD. We can't expect to end our life prematurely and be forgiven by God. The Almighty is a just God but also a most terrible God. If one is in chronical pain then he/she deserves to be, else God would have decided otherwise. No man is blameless more so no woman, because she was the beginning of sin.

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What does Christianity teach about war and peace?
The Bible does not give Christians a clear answer about whether war is permitted or not, but it has a lot to say about justice, the sanctity of life, the importance of resolving conflict and working for peace.

Most Christians believe that war should be avoided if possible, and should only be undertaken if all efforts to resolve an issue by peaceful means have failed. Many Christians see war as the result of a failure to live by God's standards.

There are many promises in the Old Testament that war will come to an end in the perfect Kingdom of God.

In Isaiah it states:

They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Isaiah 2:4
Christians are told by St Paul in Romans to support the state:

For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due.
Romans 13:6-7
Most Christians think that fighting for your country is included among these 'dues'.

However, some Christians are pacifists and believe that war is never justified.

What do Christians say about justice?
Christians believe that justice comes from God and they should work for justice in whatever situation they find themselves. They will often use Psalm 82 from Old Testament to justify this position:

Defend the rights of the poor and orphans; be fair to the needy and helpless. Rescue them from the power of evil men.
Psalm 82
How is the sanctity of life relevant to war?
Christians believe that God gave them life and that each human is made 'in the image of God'. Christians therefore believe that life is sacred and should be protected. The Ten Commandments forbid murder and in Matthew, Jesus tells his followers to:

Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
Matthew 5:44
Some Christians believe that there are times when the only way to defeat injustice or defend the idea of the sanctity of life is to declare war. Other Christians think that they should only use peaceful and non-violent methods. Jesus told his disciples:

If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:39
Jesus' peers would have understood a slap on the right cheek as a very serious insult. Jesus is telling his followers not to respond in the same way.

Just before his arrest, in the Gospel of Luke, Jesus told his followers:

And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
Luke 22:36
This suggests that Jesus accepted the right to be able to defend yourself.

Holy war
The concept of holy war, a war 'on behalf of God', developed at a time when the Christian church was becoming increasingly politically powerful. The Crusades, which were ordered by various Popes and took place between the 11th and 13th centuries, are the most famous examples of holy war. The intention was to recover Jerusalem from the Muslims. The Crusades resulted in many atrocities being carried out in the name of God.

The concept of holy war is rejected by all mainstream Christian Churches today.

And

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What is a just war?
A just war is a war which is declared for right and noble reasons and fought in a certain way. A just war is not a war that is ‘good’ as such – it is a war that Christians feel to be necessary or 'just' in the circumstances, when all other solutions have been tried and have failed. It is a necessary evil and a last resort.

Christianity is not a pacifist religion although there are pacifists in most Christian denominations. Some Christian groups, eg the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), oppose war in all circumstances.

Most Christians would support a war if it were justified by just war standards.

What is the Just War theory?
The Just War theory was first developed by St Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas was one of the most influential theologians of the last 1,000 years. The theory set out conditions against which to judge whether or not a war should be waged (jus ad bellum) and if it could be justified, and how it should be waged (jus in bello).

Aquinas's conditions for a Just War – jus ad bellum
The war must have a just cause - eg against invasion, or for self-defence - and not to acquire wealth or power.
The war must be declared and controlled by a proper authority, eg the state or ruler.
The war must be fought to promote good or avoid evil, with the aim of restoring peace and justice after the war is over.
Later conditions developed by other Christians - jus in bello
The war must be a last resort when all peaceful solutions have been tried and failed, eg negotiation.
The war should be fought with 'proportionality', with just enough force to achieve victory and only against legitimate targets, ie civilians should be protected.
The good which is achieved by the war must be greater than the evil which led to the war.
The Just War theory, with some amendments, is still used by Christians and others today as a guide to whether or not a war can be justified.

Why do some Christians support the principle of the Just War theory?
Sometimes war may be necessary and right, even though it may not be good. In the case of a country that has been invaded by an occupying force, war may be the only way to restore justice. Pope Benedict XVI said defending oneself and others is a duty.

When wars are fought to protect people it could be seen as an example of Jesus' teaching:

Love your neighbour as you love yourself
Matthew 22:39
Righteous anger is sometimes justified, eg when Jesus was angry about the presence of money lenders in the Temple, he is said to have:

made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables
John 2:15
Righteous anger is about using one's anger in a way that is thoughtful and controlled to bring about about justice or to protect the weak.

My thoughts are you must not confuse the theory of 'Just War' with Euthanasia.
They are by far, two different things.
I do know Jesus was compassionate, kind and has perfect love towards us all. If it hurts us to watch our loved ones pass painfully, it hurts him more.

I had the pressure of turning my 31 year old husband off life support. I knew he would have wanted me too. Does that make me a murderer?

First, the bible was not written to Christianity. God gave the word to Holy Men, Israelites, who wrote what God requested of them, and because he would scatter His people into corners, for their disobedience, they would be conquered and lose everything even their heritage, customs, silver and gold.

What Christianity actually did was, they captured these people who had already lost their identity, during the early 15th century, gave them Christianity, stole their bible, and murdered those that didn't want to conform to their new religion. Christianity is not of God.

Those that became christians, who previously called themselves Moors, were captured, and deported to St Thomas Island and were made slaves. No nation in the world has suffered more then these people, and today millions of them are worshipping the false God which Christiany gave them, not knowing their history, true identity and what had happened to them.

Yes many battles were fought for the Holy Land (God's land), probably starting around the 11th century, out of Greed and for riches, because God had already casted his people out, and the Holy Land was for Grasp. On may 14, 1948 the Holy Land was given to the Ashkenazi's who inhabit the land, named it Israel, called themselves Jews, and will remain there untill their time is fullfilled.

Christ was teaching Mozes and was referring to the book of Leviticus. You see, the bible was not written to Christianity, and therefore their followers can NEVER fully understand the scriptures. You wrote it down but could not understand it's true meaning: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".

This is witchcraft to condition your mind, to find love and favor, from the people who hate and destroy you. Only a destroyed mind beliefs that you should love the people who hate and hurt you. This is one of the core wickedness of Christianity, to brainwash the nations, and let them forget, forgive and give love to the Church although they are very wicked. No man should fall in these traps. It's a wicked and pedophile institution and has nothing to do with the love of God.

Biblically, your enemies are the children of your people (nation), against whom you have a grudge. Christ was teaching the Israelites, not the whole world, to love their own because there was great enimosity and distress among them. For instance: Paul wrote his last letters to the Ephesians, his brothers, while he was in jail. Some of them informed the Romans of his writings and mission and he was captured and jailed.
We can't hate our brothers and sisters in our hearts (minds).

And that right/left cheek thing... only ment ... forget the grudges.


The second part of the sentence you wrote says: "... pray for those who persecute you".

Christ was persecuted by Rome and the Romans were not his people. Rome was the ruling body and Christ and his family were slaves under the rulership of Pontius Pilate who was Governer of Rome, at that time. Therefore Christ was praying for them. Christ never told his people to love the Romans or any other nations. Their is even an account in the bible of a woman of another nation, who begged Christ to save her daughter from an unclean spirit, and Christ called her and her nation, dogs. The bible tells us that Christ was not a sizzy but an austere man. He was preaching against the nations, and never compromised with anybody. He came to do the will of his father.

They are NOT your people. They are from another nation, and you must pray for them because they have the power to persecute you. Christ was persecuted by Rome and he NEVER defended himself.

Their is no justification for the taking of a life no matter what the conditions are. Men make foolish decisions and we must pray and ask God for wisdom, knowledge, strenght and understanding; but maybe your faith was too little and it was easier to escape the burden which you were carrying, while he was alive. Just my two cents.

[Jer. 17:9] The heart (mind) is deceifull above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Yes, you were deceived by the philosophies and doctrines of men and Not by God!


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in most cases the decision to end life support is based on the Clinical judgement of a health professional., it is the health professional who turns off the ventilator and ends treatment .

Ending life support may overlap in certain circumstances with principles of euthanasia .. but the euthanasia ACT is quite different .

I did not literally turn it off, but as his wife, I had the choice put on me to decide. The ICU doctor or whatever he was, some head trauma specialist, (I was in shock), asked me to give him his dignity. His family wanted him off life support, but the decision was mine to make.
I know it is not euthanasia, but it is similar to some hard choices we humans make.

I understood the pressure. There is a movie titled "GOOD KILL" (2014). Maybe you saw the movie. If not, you should consider. A drone pilot went on a CIA mission and soon realized that his crew was targeting civilians and not the Taliban. As a family man he began to question the ethics of his job. And when he was commanded to make a "Good Kill", his life became a nightmare.

hello my friend think it is a right discession. its not a sin .

Hey Tdion, I will watch it soon.

Thank you, although it was 23 years ago, you still wonder if you did not the right thing. Bless x

To pretend that the church endorses suffering if they don't approve of euthanasia is ridiculous. I know you said hope, but I don't know how you can say the same thing without the suggesting that, that's what they're doing by not endorsing it.

It would be shangri-la if the church did - but life is suffering and the Bible is very clear about killing yourself or others, no matter the excuse. I too would chose a compassionate choice, but I wouldn't sit there pretending that those compassionate choices are choices God would if he were good or worth believing in.

I do agree that ending life support is quite different than euthanasia. But that's something the doctors will have to deal with when they meet their maker.

I think Tdion nailed the crux of the topic when he said "I think that she actually wanted to know if there is forgiveness from the All Mighty, and the answer would be a fat "NO"."

hi bob .... . I do not expect you to understand or agree with my perspective ... there was no pretence .. and I stand by what I said and my commitment to delivering compassionate care .. care that acknowledges a person’s right to be self -determining when it comes to healthcare decisions (including death ).

I think the whole dynamic of sin and forgiveness is interesting ..

Are there sins god will not forgive ???

Who sits in judgement god or mankind ?

Is religion exempt from free will ?

The reason I ask .., I recently read the Vatican’s statement on euthanasia ...

”The CDF document clarified that pastoral care of those contemplating receiving euthanasia or any other form of suicide can’t include reception of the sacraments, including confession and absolution”

Do you support this ???!

The CDF document also warns against the “other extreme” of end-of-life medical decisions: “Not accepting the limits of medicine, and aggressively trying to avoid death
Life always has intrinsic value, and it should not be discarded via euthanasia or wrongful withdrawals of treatment. That doesn’t mean life must be preserved at all costs, and prolonging life with overzealous treatment actively harms the person and offends their dignity,”

“The document goes so far as to criticize the way aggressive treatments might deprive ‘death of its true dignity’, and this perspective is certainly worth reflecting on, After all, wherein does the dignity of death lie”

The Vatican seems a little conflicted .

What do you think the true dignity of death is ????

http://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/09/bioethicists-welcome-vatican-document-on-euthanasia-no-life-is-unworthy-of-life/

Either way .. I have chosen my path in life ... compassion :-). I am happy with my choice

Good morning Blondey

To suggest I won't understand your point of view, is ignorant. You have no idea what I will understand or not. You are correct about not agreeing; however, I believe in your right to hold your beliefs and my beliefs are no more right than yours when it comes to topics such as this. I just took umbrage to the indirect suggestion that if the church doesn't support euthanasia, they support suffering. They are 2 different animals.

I don't have all the answers, but I'll try.

Yes, there are sins God will not forgive - unless you repent. It's kinda hard to repent when you're dead.

Who sits in judgement? That all depends on your belief system. Morals come from God. Laws hold no power. If it comes down to percentage of being caught - in a world with no God those percentages of getting caught will go down, because there is no reason not to kill, or steal or whatever else morals have taught. If everyone did it, there's too much work and not enough jails to hold people with no morals. Mankind can judge each other all they want to, but in the end, what do their judgements matter?

Do I support that.... It will be something I will have to think deeply about - I haven't considered it ever. And you will have to define what support means. On the surface, it's a seems like asking for confession before you go kill somebody - which sounds reasonable to deny. But like I said, I'll need more time to contemplate all the intricacies on something complex and paradoxical.

I agree the Vatican is conflicted. It is composed of fallible men and women.


Dignity of death.... I don't know if I have an opinion. It's like pride - what good does it do when your alive? It's a nice feeling, but you don't have any feeling when you're dead.

I appreciate people like you. The world needs more compassion. I only hope you're not sacrificing this life for the next.

I will read your link you posted, it's always good to have more insight.

Hi bob thanks for your input .

I like to think I am not ignorant .. laughing .. but I am flawed just to be clear though .. I didnt suggest you could not understand my viewpoint ., I said I didn’t expect you to understand my perspective , which is shaped by my lived experience .. I am exposed to death, dying and suffering every day ., that colours my view point on euthanasia. It was my way of saying I respect your right to your own perspective.

I read something interesting .. “You cannot name a sin that Jesus did not die for “ . He died for all (righteous and unrighteous ).

From what I understand .. . God is a god of grace and forgiveness ... . he expects the same of others .

Based on that I believe it is immoral for the Vatican to refuse confession and absolution .., .it seems more like an ultimatum . Surely judgement should lie with god .

More countries are now seeking legal euthanasia acts to be passed .. it will be interesting to see how the Vatican other religious groups and society respond .