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Topic: Vaxers vs unvaxers. Joe Biden’s divided states of America
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Richard

Wed 02/16/22 06:27 PM






still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol




actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 06:35 PM
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Richard

Wed 02/16/22 06:34 PM








is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

bart embeded the page address on page 6 where he first spoke about it.
you can copy and paste the address to read the study



Okay, thanks! And I found out in 5 minutes of googling it’s not actually a legit John’s Hopkins study. You can google that if you like.
use the address it has embedded links you can fallow.
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Bastet127

Wed 02/16/22 06:34 PM







still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .




You did quote, buy you also paraphrased, thus, the problem. I do care about the people who have died from COVID, in fact, more so than what any numbers report. That’s what matters to me. Read anything into that you want, I don’t care.
Edited by Bastet127 on Wed 02/16/22 06:37 PM
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Bart

Wed 02/16/22 06:35 PM

Thank you Richard
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Bastet127

Wed 02/16/22 06:36 PM









is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

bart embeded the page address on page 6 where he first spoke about it.
you can copy and paste the address to read the study



Okay, thanks! And I found out in 5 minutes of googling it’s not actually a legit John’s Hopkins study. You can google that if you like.
use the address it has embedded links you can fallow.


I did, and I also found that the study they are referring to is not a legit study by JH. I don’t know how to say that any clearer.
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Richard

Wed 02/16/22 07:01 PM








still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .




You did quote, buy you also paraphrased, thus, the problem. I do care about the people who have died from COVID, in fact, more so than what any numbers report. That’s what matters to me. Read anything into that you want, I don’t care.

Hospitals had an obligation to keep all Covid patients isolated so they should treat anyone with Covid as they have Covid. How hospitals and how death certificates counted people are not one in the same. A death certificate has a primary cause and a contributing cause. So a cancer patients primary cause would be cancer with Covid as a contributor.


covid was not even a contributor in the cancer case I sited now in the courts. the death certificate was based on the medical report that was also falsified. the woman in question, had stage 4 cancer and chose to stop taking her chemo. the cause of her death was her cancer. after she died, they ran a test for covid 6 times, and only had 1 positive hit.
that is why the family is currently suing the hospital for giving them a falsified death certificate..
I guess it is OK when you take what was said to suit your own view point.
you can check the CDC report by googling, or you can just check the other thread where I posted their findings and the graph showing their findings. and also google about wht heads of hospitals are saying about being told to misrepresent the covid counts in their own words from their news interviews
I even quoted the dem mayor of new york city. going off about the numbers being rigged
as to the John hopkins report not being legit. it was covered by mainstream media CBS and ABC. so it must have been ligit enough for them.
the hospitals had an obligation to keep people with covid sepporated, not to falsify their reason for being hospitalized. which is what the hospital admin reported they were told to do when ever a covid test came back positive. they were required to list it as a covid patient, even if they received no treatment for covid.
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 07:14 PM
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Bastet127

Wed 02/16/22 07:10 PM









still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .




You did quote, buy you also paraphrased, thus, the problem. I do care about the people who have died from COVID, in fact, more so than what any numbers report. That’s what matters to me. Read anything into that you want, I don’t care.

Hospitals had an obligation to keep all Covid patients isolated so they should treat anyone with Covid as they have Covid. How hospitals and how death certificates counted people are not one in the same. A death certificate has a primary cause and a contributing cause. So a cancer patients primary cause would be cancer with Covid as a contributor.


covid was not even a contributor in the cancer case I sited now in the courts. the death certificate was based on the medical report that was also falsified. the woman in question, had stage 4 cancer and chose to stop taking her chemo. the cause of her death was her cancer. after she died, they ran a test for covid 6 times, and only had 1 positive hit.
that is why the family is currently suing the hospital for giving them a falsified death certificate..
I guess it is OK when you take what was said to suit your own view point.
you can check the CDC report by googling, or you can just check the other thread where I posted their findings and the graph showing their findings. and also google about wht heads of hospitals are saying about being told to misrepresent the covid counts in their own words from their news interviews
I even quoted the dem mayor of new york city. going off about the numbers being rigged
as to the John hopkins report not being legit. it was covered by mainstream media CBS and ABC. so it must have been ligit enough for them.




So I guess JH’s saying otherwise is not important. I’m curious what led that family to sue when they could have just had the death certificate amended.
Edited by Bastet127 on Wed 02/16/22 07:12 PM
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Richard

Wed 02/16/22 07:16 PM










still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .




You did quote, buy you also paraphrased, thus, the problem. I do care about the people who have died from COVID, in fact, more so than what any numbers report. That’s what matters to me. Read anything into that you want, I don’t care.

Hospitals had an obligation to keep all Covid patients isolated so they should treat anyone with Covid as they have Covid. How hospitals and how death certificates counted people are not one in the same. A death certificate has a primary cause and a contributing cause. So a cancer patients primary cause would be cancer with Covid as a contributor.


covid was not even a contributor in the cancer case I sited now in the courts. the death certificate was based on the medical report that was also falsified. the woman in question, had stage 4 cancer and chose to stop taking her chemo. the cause of her death was her cancer. after she died, they ran a test for covid 6 times, and only had 1 positive hit.
that is why the family is currently suing the hospital for giving them a falsified death certificate..
I guess it is OK when you take what was said to suit your own view point.
you can check the CDC report by googling, or you can just check the other thread where I posted their findings and the graph showing their findings. and also google about wht heads of hospitals are saying about being told to misrepresent the covid counts in their own words from their news interviews
I even quoted the dem mayor of new york city. going off about the numbers being rigged
as to the John hopkins report not being legit. it was covered by mainstream media CBS and ABC. so it must have been ligit enough for them.




So I guess JH’s saying otherwise is not important. I’m curious what led that family to sue when they could have just had the death certificate amended.
because the hospital and ME lied about the cause of their mothers death.
I dont know if you are aware, but it is a criminal act to falsify a death certificate.
so they filed charges with the court, and are suing as is their right. and john hobkins can denounce any study done by the people in their medical department.
that dont change where the study report came from. ot the team that wrote it.
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 07:25 PM
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Bastet127

Wed 02/16/22 07:24 PM











still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .




You did quote, buy you also paraphrased, thus, the problem. I do care about the people who have died from COVID, in fact, more so than what any numbers report. That’s what matters to me. Read anything into that you want, I don’t care.

Hospitals had an obligation to keep all Covid patients isolated so they should treat anyone with Covid as they have Covid. How hospitals and how death certificates counted people are not one in the same. A death certificate has a primary cause and a contributing cause. So a cancer patients primary cause would be cancer with Covid as a contributor.


covid was not even a contributor in the cancer case I sited now in the courts. the death certificate was based on the medical report that was also falsified. the woman in question, had stage 4 cancer and chose to stop taking her chemo. the cause of her death was her cancer. after she died, they ran a test for covid 6 times, and only had 1 positive hit.
that is why the family is currently suing the hospital for giving them a falsified death certificate..
I guess it is OK when you take what was said to suit your own view point.
you can check the CDC report by googling, or you can just check the other thread where I posted their findings and the graph showing their findings. and also google about wht heads of hospitals are saying about being told to misrepresent the covid counts in their own words from their news interviews
I even quoted the dem mayor of new york city. going off about the numbers being rigged
as to the John hopkins report not being legit. it was covered by mainstream media CBS and ABC. so it must have been ligit enough for them.




So I guess JH’s saying otherwise is not important. I’m curious what led that family to sue when they could have just had the death certificate amended.
because the hospital and ME lied about the cause of their mothers death.
I dont know if you are aware, but it is a criminal act to falsify a death certificate.
so they filed charges with the court, and are suing as is their right.


It will be interesting to see how that all pans out.
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Richard

Wed 02/16/22 07:30 PM












still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



actually I quoted you directly. I did speak my opinion about what you said, but I could use your own words more completely if you wish .




You did quote, buy you also paraphrased, thus, the problem. I do care about the people who have died from COVID, in fact, more so than what any numbers report. That’s what matters to me. Read anything into that you want, I don’t care.

Hospitals had an obligation to keep all Covid patients isolated so they should treat anyone with Covid as they have Covid. How hospitals and how death certificates counted people are not one in the same. A death certificate has a primary cause and a contributing cause. So a cancer patients primary cause would be cancer with Covid as a contributor.


covid was not even a contributor in the cancer case I sited now in the courts. the death certificate was based on the medical report that was also falsified. the woman in question, had stage 4 cancer and chose to stop taking her chemo. the cause of her death was her cancer. after she died, they ran a test for covid 6 times, and only had 1 positive hit.
that is why the family is currently suing the hospital for giving them a falsified death certificate..
I guess it is OK when you take what was said to suit your own view point.
you can check the CDC report by googling, or you can just check the other thread where I posted their findings and the graph showing their findings. and also google about wht heads of hospitals are saying about being told to misrepresent the covid counts in their own words from their news interviews
I even quoted the dem mayor of new york city. going off about the numbers being rigged
as to the John hopkins report not being legit. it was covered by mainstream media CBS and ABC. so it must have been ligit enough for them.




So I guess JH’s saying otherwise is not important. I’m curious what led that family to sue when they could have just had the death certificate amended.
because the hospital and ME lied about the cause of their mothers death.
I dont know if you are aware, but it is a criminal act to falsify a death certificate.
so they filed charges with the court, and are suing as is their right.


It will be interesting to see how that all pans out.

well this is oregon. if we were any bluer we would be turning to ice. it will depend on how long it will take to get heard. and if it is before or after elections. and then if the socialist party retains control of the state.
right now the only law that matters is GOV. BROWNS LAW. but she can not run again.
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 07:34 PM
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Richard

Fri 02/18/22 03:25 PM




So I guess JH’s saying otherwise is not important.

not when the full 62 page report in question, has the JHU.EDU web address embedded in it.

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

you wanted the link, now you can read the full unedited report at your leisure. just copy and paste.
Edited by Richard on Fri 02/18/22 03:37 PM
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2KidsMom

Mon 03/07/22 01:17 PM

Wow I see there is division here too.
I know where I stand..with some of you already after reading some of these comments..sadly
May God Bless and be with each of us no matter our choice.
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Winx

Sat 03/12/22 05:57 PM


Better to be fully vaxxed and masked than be on a ventilator.

Look at the number of anti-vax / anti mask now wishing they had worn a mask, gotten the vaccine.

I cannot imagine the pain of losing a family member because refused a vaccine. Only this morning read about a family that lost a 4 year old daughter because they refused vaccine.

Getting the vaccine saves you and those around you.

Mandating / ordering that people get vaxxed is not new. Washington had all his troops vaxxed for smallpox.
Thank you. We also lined up in school to receive a small pox vaccine. It's nothing new. My anti-vax friend just spent 4 weeks in the hospital. Was on a feeding tube, etc. Two months later, she's still not at work because she's on oxygen.
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Unknow

Sat 03/12/22 08:32 PM

Vax vs unvaxx is an oxymoron y'll--first of all, the covid Vax is NOT a Vax, it has NOT been tested as such, and it does NOT protect you from covid. On that note covid has NOT even been isolated yet--FACT.
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Poetrywriter

Sun 03/13/22 01:32 PM


Vax vs unvaxx is an oxymoron y'll--first of all, the covid Vax is NOT a Vax, it has NOT been tested as such, and it does NOT protect you from covid. On that note covid has NOT even been isolated yet--FACT.


You have NOT provided any proof. Just saying FACT does not make it so!
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Mortman

Sun 03/13/22 04:42 PM


Vax vs unvaxx is an oxymoron y'll--first of all, the covid Vax is NOT a Vax, it has NOT been tested as such, and it does NOT protect you from covid. On that note covid has NOT even been isolated yet--FACT.

I agree with Poetrywriter. None of those points are facts, regardless of your assertion. The vaccines are indeed vaccines. Failing to stop infection in 100% of cases is not the definition. No vaccines are 100%. In clinical studies many of the vaccines stopped infection in around 95%. Then came the variants.

Also not only has COVID-19 been isolated, but they've isolated different variants and can show the ratio of Omicron BA.1.1 to Omicron BA.1.1.529. But maybe you know something we don't because of your "research?"
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions
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Unknow

Sun 03/13/22 08:16 PM

My understanding is that COID-19 is a medical diagnostic code that references a list of SYMPTOMS that are associated with H1N2 ( may not be correct) or what is the second variant of the bird flu.