Russia is on the verge of a armed conflict and insurgency into the Ukraine. Putin called for ( and had a discussion) with Biden on this subject 2 weeks ago. And Biden threatened severe sanctions should Russia attack, clearly that did not bother Putin. Actually many in the U.S. feel Biden o.k'd the attack to some degree by stating that " small insurgencies will bring smaller sactions"
But we are not close to this situation as is the European countries so my question is really geared towards them.
What is your position on this threat?. Europe gets alot of their oil from Russia ( Germany over 40%) , does that not handcuff alot of what can be done

well for one the word is "incursion".

I think very early in my posts I apologized in advance for type o's since I work off of a phone. And at time this phone makes up its own words and there is no edit tab
But type o's or incorrect word aside, do you have anything of value to add to the topic Or is it just pointing our mistakes in writing?

German Navy Chief resigns over remarks in India on Ukraine, Russia


https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/german-navy-chief-resigns-over-remarks-on-ukraine-russia/article38312659.ece


42nd IISS Fullerton Lecture - Germany's Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Kay-Achim Schönbach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG26J-GD3DQ

Biden, ball sniffer-in-chief,
generally can't remember his own words
from one hour to the next.

Unfortunately the European nations will not align, there will be a few unwilling to commit to stand as one. Therefore it will ultimately land in the lap of the U.S, ( again) to dole out the penalty. No matter how many sanctions are put on Russia , maybe stop nordstream2 pipeline, the Russians will already be there and I don’t think we would involve our troops. I hope we wouldn’t. So that leaves who to push them out. China and many others will side with Russia. So financial sanctions only go so far.

I agree
Unless those who can give a different perspective from Europe Chime in, I don't think other then giving the Ukraine arms and intelligence any European country will physically stand with them. I think Russia has many European countries by the balls with the oil.
I think Putin warned Biden to back off as well.. and I think he is. Biden will act shocked when they go in just like he did when Afghanistan fell but he knew they would and he knows the Ukraine will to.
I also think alot of European countries have lost faith in the U S. because Biden left them high and dry with the way he pulled out of Afghanistan
So much for NATO

So you want us to get into a shooting war with Russia?

Who is saying a shooting war?. My post is really about our ( U.S.) diminished world standing and Europe painting itself into a corner by its reliance on Russian oil. And I was looking for European views on it ( since we are not there) .It will be interesting to actually see what sanctions will be put in place and what effect they actually have on Russia. Because clearly our threat of sections had no effect.
And as a father of a Marine I don't want to see them fighting for anyone other then us. Recently they went to Iceland to do cold weather training. The Marines I spoke to said the locals hated them, to the point where they pretty much stayed on the base. They felt very unwelcome. And these are not young gun ho hell raising Marines, they are well grounded intelligent men and women. So as for fighting...no...in my opinion I wouldn't fight for any country that didn't even like us.
And I have lived outside the U.S. and had the opportunity to view us while " looking in" and I found that many countries look at us as that strong retarded kid on the block, they want us to fight for them by don't want to hang out with us.

Biden has mentioned sending 5,000 troops to the Baltic region. In my opinion it is the European community who needs to lead in this, especially with manpower.
And
Frankly I do not think the European community has any confidence in Biden to lead. The word I read many times from the European press when describing Biden is. incompetent
Same word used here in the States

Who wants a "shooting war war with Russia"? I posted the following on another thread.

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England's PM Neville Chamberlain had that type of view when on 9/30/1938 he ceding the German-speaking Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Germany. That's what furthered Germany's aggression which led to the invasion of Poland on 9/1/1939 that marked the beginning of WWII. The course of history will repeat itself unless unless something is done to change that course.

Showing weakness towards aggressors like Putin only increases their aggression. Force is needed to stop aggressors, not necessarily the USE of force, but just the showing of force is enough to shop aggressors.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave US Secretary of State Antony Blinken a list of demands and DEMANDED that the US deliver written responses to those demands. IMO Blinken should have torn up the list of demands and walked away. By accepting the list and AGREEING to reply to Russia's demands in writing he showed a weakness, not just to Russia but to the rest of the world, including China, Iran, North Korea, NATO and other allies.

Aggression like cancer only spreads until something is done to stop the spread.
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You don't need to look internationally to see what happens when evil isn't confronted and allowed to grow. With what is happening in the US with the increase of the "soft on crime" policies crime has increased with murders dramatically. There were 259 more murders in the first half of 2021 compared to the first half of 2020, and 548 more compared to the first half of 2019 in 29 major U.S. cities, according to the Council on Criminal Justice's.

Even Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom of California, who supports "soft on crime" policies", said that the state he runs looks like a “Third World country” while cleaning the mess thieves left on railroad tracks. For that statement he got criticized for using the term “Third World country” rather than "Developing Nations" from some of his fellow leftist.....they are MORE concerned about WORDS than what is happening in California. Newsom DIDN'T mention the CRIME that was committed that CAUSED the look of a "Third World Country".....and without the crime being stopped the problem won't be solved.

Biden setting Americans up for slaughter...
Again.

8,500 U.S. troops on "High Alert" to
defend the Ukraine if Russia invades.

The 8,500 are presently invisible to Russians.

If Kyiv, as Boris Johnson predicted, is the target for 'lightening Russian raiding force' (and the reason for US embassy evacuation) then the closest troops would be the:

5000 Russians (see map below) from Belarus Russian border.

Russian deployment:


Alternatively, here's another root cause that the New York Times reported on Nov 12 - 2 months ago



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/world/europe/lukashenko-putin-belarus-russia.html

I do not believe for 1 minute that Russia will not retaliate if these " crippling" sanctions are inposed in them. And I doubt many Eurpoeans do either
Unfortunately we ( the U S) have learned that you do not have close a pipeline to disrupt or stop oil flow.. you just have to hack the computerized network. which they did to us. Along with many other American entities that were hacked and held ranson To the point where our esteemed President gave Putin a list of entities which he didn't want hacked. The Russians have already thought this thru and they have no intentions of just taking all these sanctions without returning the favor
would any country?

What I fail to understand is why ANY president will tell Russia, China, Iran or any other country what actions will be taken by the United States.

Biden gave Putin a list of 16 critical infrastructure "entities" that are "off limits" when it comes to cyber attacks. Why wasn't Putin told EVERYTHING off limits when it comes to cyber attacks????

The ONLY thing ANY president has to tell ANY other leader is that NOTHING is off the table if ANYTHING is done to disrupt stability ANYWHERE.

Actions speak louder than words as illustrated when Obama drew a red line in Syria with regards to the use of chemical weapons and NOTHING was done when that red line was crossed. It wasn't until after the reported use of chemical weapons and the United States launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles aimed at Shayrat Airbase did the use of chemical weapons stop.

Actions not words stop aggressors.

yep, our Predident " the buck stops here" President, the " tough guy in the aviator sunglasses" President gives Putin a " please don't hurt us" list.....
Biden is not strong enough to lead and he is not calling the shots.
I think for the first time in history if you ask Americans to give you a honest answer as to who is leading the country the answer would be
" I don't know"

I'm on another community, that Trump is alive and living in their heads-a LOT! I'm not sure who they hate more. Trump, or conservatives.

None can figure out how anybody could possibly be a republican on that one. Most all of them desperately want the fed to pick up their college tuition, and pay their existing loans off. They are sure that the sun rises and sets on AOC, and
beat-o. Which is rather funny, because most don't care for biden.

I laugh a lot at them.

when one of my sons went to college we both took out loans. Mine was a parent plus loan that took forever to pay off. We both paid off our loans. You signed on the dotted line. you understood the terms
now pay the friggin loan. period

Due to our national propaganda networks,
Americans are hearing numbers much more
threatening than 5,000 Russians.

......

From 26 January, 2022.


"With 100,000 troops on the Ukraine border, Russia's threat of war raises global stakes – and a weakened West only adds to the risk"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/russian-troops-ukraine-threat-war-global-stakes-west-power/100772162

Thanks Rock for pointing out:

The MAP IS as of Nov 26

and the tiny squares scattered show the then
'newly arrived Russian troops,

mainly inside Belarus as: 9000 (new)
and on Russia-Ukraine border as: 6000


Your link gives an update as of 23 Jan 22:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/russian-troops-ukraine-threat-war-global-stakes-west-power/100772162

If we go as per Map - then 50,000 Russian troops were spread along the border in Nov and,

Since most news reports give the updated figure as 100,000 the additional 50,000 may have been deployed in Dec / Jan Still a cause for deepest concern.


For Indians reading this,
abc.net.au link is blocked in India by ministry here.