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Unknow

Mon 02/21/22 01:34 AM

The ongoing discussions about US presidents and other high politicians did or didn't do things is just ridiculous! There is not a single President who don't have skeletons in the closet! Of course Trump rallied people, he believed the election was tampered and rightly so. In every banana republic this is common practice. As is tampering with votes. USA is no different! Stop believing you have a democracy in USA. Ask your self when any normal people had anything to do with creating or changing a federal political decision! USA is a country run by money and as long as you have a two party system with no popular votes except regular elections that will not change. In reality there is only one popular democracy in the world and that is Switzerland. They have bad culture in the banking system but that is another matter. I am sure there are past presidents that have accounts over there.
There is a machine that shreds paper. If all documentation was open and transparent such machine would never have been invented. Be sure that 0.1% of all power consumed in USA are used by such machines.
Biden administration loves them as well. If you check white house garbage and collect all the shredded paper you will have enough confetti needed for next fourth of July parade in Washington. Save the environment and have unemployed people piecing it together again and learn the truth about politics and rich people. Counting poor and homeless people ratio towards the population, you have among the highest number in the world of them. GNP is not a true value to judge a system. Poor and homeless are, and USA fails badly in that. And the only solution USA have now is to throw people in jail for long sentences. Worry about that instead of bad old presidents.

Bastet127

Mon 02/21/22 04:13 AM

The Capitol Police (USCP) is charged with protecting the United States Congress. It answers to the Capitol Police Board who are appointed by the legislative branch of the federal government of the United States.

The Capital Police Board consists of three voting members: the Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives, the Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate, the Architect of the Capitol, and chief of the Capitol Police who is a non-voting member of the board.

The to bring in the National Guard for extra security of the United States House of Representatives is under the direction of the Speaker of the House or other presiding officer, the Sergeant at Arms plays an integral role in maintaining order and decorum in the House chamber.

The Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the United States Senate and is the protocol officer, executive officer, and highest-ranking federal law enforcement officer of the Senate of the United States.

The Architect of the Capitol is the federal agency responsible for the maintenance, operation, development, and preservation of the United States Capitol Complex.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/25/facebook-posts/no-capitol-security-not-only-pelosis-responsibilit/

Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker. It is provided by the sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate, and by the Capitol Police.

The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader — on Jan. 6, Sen. Mitch McConnell.

News reports indicate that in the days before the attack, House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of “optics.” Irving later testified that intelligence reports didn’t show the need for the extra security, not that he rejected it because of optics.

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Was Pelosi responsible for the National Guard not being there on January 6th? Maybe not directly but Irving who "is under the direction of the Speaker of the House" didn't want the National Guard present even after the Capital Police asked to bring in the National Guard for extra security.

So as I said, Pelosi did not have the power to make that decision. :thumbsup:

Capitol security is not SOLELY the responsibility of Pelosi....but that DOESN'T mean she doesn't have ANY responsibility, she IS part of the chain of command regarding security. The House sergeant-at-arms acts under the direction of Pelosi and since he WOULDN'T act on the request of the Chief of the Capital Police to bring in the National Guard Pelosi at the very least is indirectly responsible.....and if she KNEW the Chief of the Capital Police requested the National Guard she is directly responsible.

Pelosi DID have the power to request that the National Guard be called to the Capital.....there is NO evidence that she even made the request.

Both Irving and Stenger did not support the idea. With your logic one could just as easily then say McConnell had the power, but it was a decision made by the 3 voting members. My statement still stands, Pelosi did not have the power.

Edited by Bastet127 on Mon 02/21/22 04:14 AM

Smartazzjohn

Mon 02/21/22 06:57 AM

So as I said, Pelosi did not have the power to make that decision. :thumbsup:

She wasn't SOLELY responsible for the National Guard not being called in, others ALSO had SOME power to call in the National Guard. She could have told Irving, who is under her direction, to ask for the National Guard to be brought in..the same way she can call on him to remove people from the House. Not having SOLE power DOESN'T mean, AS YOU SUGGEST, that she had NO power.

You can stand with your statement as many times as you wish but it doesn't change the FACTS.

Bastet127

Mon 02/21/22 10:21 AM

So as I said, Pelosi did not have the power to make that decision. :thumbsup:

I never suggested NO power. I said she didn’t have the power, as original poster blamed it on her. And as we both agree, there’s a voting committee, of which, she was not part of. She could have done this or she could have done that is only significant if you’re trying to find some way to hold her solely responsible. YOUR statements are full of ifs and buts, I don’t call those facts.

Mortman

Mon 02/21/22 10:27 AM

The National Guard is commanded by the state governor, and in the case of DC, it's commanded by the President, or possibly the SecDef (still cabinet-level). If the Guard wasn't called until late, then that pretty much falls on Trump, and according to testimony, Trump only wanted them to protect the protestors. Imagine a skirmish between the Capitol Police and the National Guard!

Also, most anybody can request the DC National Guard, but it is still up to the president to approve.

Richard

Mon 02/21/22 12:20 PM

if the president is advised by the people directly responsible, that it was not necessary at the time. and the request was not directly sent to him. then the responsibility remains with those who advised against it.
my boss is responsible for the properties I work at, but if I fail to inform him that I need a tech for a repair that I'm made aware of, and I do not call one in. then I'm at fault, not him.

Edited by Richard on Mon 02/21/22 12:27 PM

Ryan

Mon 02/21/22 02:50 PM

I read where the Biden administration was thinking of putting up barricades around capital hill to stop any kind of truck disruption and protest come March 1st .
Maybe someone should tell them that truckers are democrats too.

Smartazzjohn

Tue 02/22/22 10:00 AM

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380

Three days BEFORE the riot the "the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower"....also the "Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both time",
It WASN'T a failure of the Defense Secretary, the Pentagon, the FBI or Trump that the National Guard wasn't called up.......it was the failure of the Capital Police and members of the "Capital Police Board" and three of the 4 members resigned following the riot. Two of the three who resigned were under the control of McConnell and Pelosi.

Edited by Smartazzjohn on Tue 02/22/22 10:12 AM

Bart

Sat 02/26/22 06:36 AM

Misdeeds? The only misdeeds involved with Trump are the blatant lies and fake accusations hurled at Trump for his entire 4 years as Our President. Every investigation by these corrupt individuals against Their President were dropped or proven to be false because their was never any evidence, it was Always made up. To hell with these lying deceptive individuals that perpetuate lies and deception to millions of people for their own desire…. Donald Trump brought this country back from ‘ just being ‘ to being great. But thanks to the snowflakes and clueless voters we have what is happing now. In One Year we went from no. 1 oil independence to dependence on Russia. How does a country go from one extreme to the other? By having weak leadership with no common sense. All talk and no action is a sure way to lose every time

Mortman

Sat 02/26/22 11:26 AM

Sure. That's why Eric Trump pleaded the 5th over 500 times in his deposition. That's why Trump had to sue to block release of evidence or testimony. He's so innocent. Anyway, the investigations are still underway, Trump is depleting his appeals and will have to testify and his records will release before the next election cycle.

Also, We were never oil independent, as the US is part of the world market, and it comes and goes to the highest bidders. Always. If Russia had the lowest offer, then of course the US bought. Under Obama, the US did increase oil production and the country became a net exporter, and even when production peaked before the pandemic, the US wasn't independent. It's capitalism; not nationalism. Take the other countries out of the market and nobody could afford oil.

Bart

Sat 02/26/22 02:51 PM

Trump made us not dependent on oil from others( I twisted my original statement to fit your narrative). Just look at the difference in the price per gallon during Trump years compared to obama and Biden . More production equals lower prices. Supply and demand and now , thanks to Biden Europe is mostly dependent on Russia for their oil, Russia the very country that is invading a sovereign country in Europe . We should open up our production to supply our Allie’s and shut Russia exports down. I saw where the attorneys investigating Trump on some other made up BS just quit their investigation because of Lack of Evidence. Like all investigations of Trump before and any that follows.

Edited by Bart on Sat 02/26/22 02:59 PM

Richard

Mon 02/28/22 11:42 AM

our oil production is 11,600 barrels a day, that is down from 14,000 barrels a day from brefore biden. but it is still up from 9000 under obama.
that said
our partnered oil/ fuel production with canada and mexico, is down by over half and our Opec crude purchases have increased.
and our heating oil and natural gas production has also been decreased. while our dependence on other countries for solar and wind generation has also increased. since the heavy metals and rare earth materials to build them are not domestically viable.
the investigation that was spoken of is being brought forth by an admitted democrat, with an open unapologetic hatred of the trumps. in such a hostile situation. I doubt any one would be stupid enough to give any one out to destroy you any opportunity to do so. so only a fool would not plead the fifth to any question asked that could then be turned against them . you ask me 500 times. to cause my self or members of my family harm. I too would give the figurative answerer telling you to go jump on a spike 500 times.

Edited by Richard on Mon 02/28/22 11:52 AM

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