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jaish

Thu 04/28/22 02:21 AM

PM Modi is meeting Chancellor Olaf Scholz on 4 May presumably for trade talks.

Under the backdrop of Scholz sending tanks to Ukraine and given India's neutral stand in this conflict the question that arises in my fool mind is:

"Mr Scholz, you may be on the right side of History but, the burden of a third world war will shift on to your shoulders. Once again, Germany will pivot a War."



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jugari007

Thu 04/28/22 07:04 AM


PM Modi is meeting Chancellor Olaf Scholz on 4 May presumably for trade talks.

Under the backdrop of Scholz sending tanks to Ukraine and given India's neutral stand in this conflict the question that arises in my fool mind is:

"Mr Scholz, you may be on the right side of History but, the burden of a third world war will shift on to your shoulders. Once again, Germany will pivot a War."






will pivot a War? Since when you became an Astrologer?
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Ꮢ Ꭷ Ᏸ ɨ Ꮑ

Thu 04/28/22 07:14 AM

will pivot a War? Since when you became an Astrologer?

:smile::smile::smile: :thumbsup:
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jaish

Thu 04/28/22 07:21 AM



PM Modi is meeting Chancellor Olaf Scholz on 4 May presumably for trade talks.

Under the backdrop of Scholz sending tanks to Ukraine and given India's neutral stand in this conflict the question that arises in my fool mind is:

"Mr Scholz, you may be on the right side of History but, the burden of a third world war will shift on to your shoulders. Once again, Germany will pivot a War."




will pivot a War? Since when you became an Astrologer?


Not astrology my friend, projections, alternatives ..

Isn't it apparent that with Germany sending tanks, is just a step away from sending ammunition and then training officers for tank regiment commanders?

Additionally, with speculation over missiles transfer to Ukraine, isn't it an attempt to enlarge the war to a blood bath?

I don't think most people here are able to adjust to the fact that Ukraine's causalities are lower than Russia's. Russia is not giving the West a handle like Syria's Assad using chemical weapons; or Iraq and WMDs. This appears like carefully played out chess game by both sides.

It's in this context I think PM Modi's initiative to diffuse tensions is not only bold but necessary. Sanctions are in place, why not negotiate. So easy to send weapons, mercenaries. We've seen this play out with Pakistan, isn't it?

Suggest reading the excerpt you quoted in continuation of the previous sentence and you may agree this is what I meant.

Edited by jaish on Thu 04/28/22 07:43 AM
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Smartazzjohn

Thu 04/28/22 04:20 PM




PM Modi is meeting Chancellor Olaf Scholz on 4 May presumably for trade talks.

Under the backdrop of Scholz sending tanks to Ukraine and given India's neutral stand in this conflict the question that arises in my fool mind is:

"Mr Scholz, you may be on the right side of History but, the burden of a third world war will shift on to your shoulders. Once again, Germany will pivot a War."




will pivot a War? Since when you became an Astrologer?


Not astrology my friend, projections, alternatives ..

Isn't it apparent that with Germany sending tanks, is just a step away from sending ammunition and then training officers for tank regiment commanders?

Additionally, with speculation over missiles transfer to Ukraine, isn't it an attempt to enlarge the war to a blood bath?

I don't think most people here are able to adjust to the fact that Ukraine's causalities are lower than Russia's. Russia is not giving the West a handle like Syria's Assad using chemical weapons; or Iraq and WMDs. This appears like carefully played out chess game by both sides.

It's in this context I think PM Modi's initiative to diffuse tensions is not only bold but necessary. Sanctions are in place, why not negotiate. So easy to send weapons, mercenaries. We've seen this play out with Pakistan, isn't it?

Suggest reading the excerpt you quoted in continuation of the previous sentence and you may agree this is what I meant.




If PM Modi's wants to take the "initiative to diffuse tensions" he should have made arrangements to visit Putin in Moscow who is the aggressor in this "conflict", not a visit to Germany to see Chancellor Scholz. It would be BOLD to confront Putin, it would be BOLD to demand Putin stop his invasion of a sovereign country, it would be BOLD to take a stance against the aggressor instead of remaining "neutral".

If anyone will have the "the burden of a third world war" on their shoulders it will be Putin and NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!! Putin is the ONLY leader that has threatened the use of nukes.
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jaish

Sun 05/08/22 08:06 PM

PM Modi returned from his European tour with a few successful trade agreements with Finland and Germany.

With Germany, it was on €10 billion investment spread over next 8 years to boost the use of clean energy. This was in line with resolutions by US & Europe (or, in UN ?) to 'go green' ASAP.

While Chancellor Scholz sought to change India's stand from neutrality to that with Europe and United States stand toward Russia, Modi reiterated that "We believe that no party can emerge victorious in this war” - and that negotiations between Ukraine and Russia was the way.

If anyone will have the "the burden of a third world war" on their shoulders it will be Putin and NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!! Putin is the ONLY leader that has threatened the use of nukes.


If I was a Ukrainian living in western Ukraine, I would've said the same thing. Seems regions in Eastern Ukraine, Donbass; is pro-Russian. Update is, Donbass region was gifted by Russia during Ukraine's independence from Soviet Union. It was never part of 'old Ukraine'.

Whatever, we both agree that one man can end this war tomorrow. What we don't agree on is 'who that man is'.
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Smartazzjohn

Mon 05/09/22 09:13 AM

No, actually two men can end the war.

Putin can end it by stopping his aggression towards a sovereign country by stopping his bombing, cease his invasion and withdrawing Russian troops.

Zelenskyy can end it by surrendering and allowing Putin to cease whatever sovereign Ukrainian lands he wants to control.

Quebec, a province in Canada, primary language is French but it doesn't mean they want to be part of France.

Just because Russian is the language spoken in areas of eastern Ukraine it doesn't mean they are pro Putin or Russian control. Surveys in Donbas in 2016 and 2019, revealed that a majority of those surveyed in areas not controlled by the government would prefer to be part of the Ukranian state.


Edited by Smartazzjohn on Mon 05/09/22 09:14 AM
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jaish

Mon 05/09/22 09:46 AM

Sounds like a textbook argument since I'm given to understand all Ukrainians speak Russian.


Further, Zelensky is no longer in Kyiv. Maybe because of bounty.

Putin is eager to end it but now the point is reached where we see the tail wagging the dog.

From misery to more misery.

On second thoughts may not be so,


UK lifts sanctions on key Russian banks


Explain this.



The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the US Treasury published a new general license dated March 24, which effectively removed Russian mineral fertilizers from possible sanctions. They were included in the list of vital products along with agricultur ..


Or this.


Sen. Josh Hawley is calling on President Biden to drop support for Ukraine’s membership into NATO


This?

Edited by jaish on Mon 05/09/22 10:43 AM
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jaish

Wed 05/11/22 07:53 AM

There's an article posted on the names of Republicans soft on Russia.

https://www.thebulwark.com/whos-soft-on-russia-meet-the-republican-anti-ukraine-caucus/

In that it lists 15 Republicans who also voted no to suspend oil and gas from Russia

Further, a list of: 10 Republicans


who signed a bill that would bar any delivery of military aid to Ukraine until ..,

“a border wall system along the United States-Mexico border is completed.”


My point is, even with Democrats and MSM clamor for maximum military aid to support Ukraine, there are voices of dissent within the Congress. Although a weak minority, and their Dissent may haunt their political careers, fact remains they are exercising fundamental rights.

Therefore, in the overall schemes of foreign policies, if India is exercising it's sovereign right to dissent over NATO's world view - it could be that it's keeps doors open for negotiations.

I would like to end on a positive note with - PM Modi does not think the war will spill outside of Ukraine - but now there's some signals that China may (or may not) walk into Taiwan.

The Filipinos think so because they have recently voted in Marcos Jr. whose father was a long time ally of the US.

If China does get into a Taiwan adventure then it becomes a game changer. Japan and Australia will get involved and India dragged in. Personally, I think China is wise and prefers to keep their silicon valley free and open to western market.

Edited by jaish on Wed 05/11/22 07:58 AM