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Jefferey

Sat 09/16/23 04:15 AM

Yikes.šŸ¤Ŗ

double freakin' yikes!šŸ¤ŖšŸ¤Ŗ:dizzy_face:ā€:dizzy:
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Sat 09/16/23 05:22 AM


Putin is good for Russian or not. what about your prime minister of your country is good or bad for you. please name your country and your prime minister name is he or she good or bad.

where is Bart and Trump and the GOP? They all like Putin.

Another example of someone that doesnā€™t have any idea what they are talking about. Just because someone thinks Joe Biden is a complete failure and bad for our countryā€™s future doesnā€™t mean they like Putin. I have actually called for his assignationā€¦ Try reading previous posts before posting B.S. lies.
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Fri 12/22/23 03:42 PM

PUTIN went into Ukraine for a number of reasons.
- many Russian speaking Ukrainians were being slaughtered by the Azov Battalion
- there were over 30 P4 laboratories & unknown number of clandestine.
- Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe & a haven for human trafficking, drugs, $ landering, etc.
-many of these operations were being conducted in deep underground bases which were connected to a vast network of tunnels used for the transportation.
- horrific experimentation on humans not allowed to be conducted topside, from before birth to geriatrics
- should have stayed out of it completely, by continually feeding Ukraine $ caused more people to die.
Ukraine was a DEEP STATE stronghold.
There has WAR somewhere in the world my entire life & whether you are aware of it or not, we have all been slaves to the SYSTEM. We have only had the illusion of Freedom - COVID 19 & there is more to come that will be much worse. They have already told us. Check the plans the WEF has for us all & then watch the movie on NETFLICKS that Michael & Barak Obama produced.
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Toodygirl5

Mon 02/05/24 02:13 PM


Putin is good for Russian or not. what about your prime minister of your country is good or bad for you. please name your country and your prime minister name is he or she good or bad.


J Biden is POTUS and he is an Incompetent Leader of this county America.

Putin and J Biden have a lot in common.

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Mortman

Mon 02/05/24 08:34 PM

J Biden is POTUS and he is an Incompetent Leader of this county America.

Putin and J Biden have a lot in common.


Biden is far from incompetent. Very strategic and thoughtful. I guess Putin thinks a lot, too, but not so clever. Putin fell for the lies of his yes-men, and is now paying for it in young Russian lives and the $trillions lost in the Russian economy. Putin's banking on getting Trump re-elected so he can bully Trump into letting him have his way with Ukraine & NATO. But Biden will win and Putin will have to give up.
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Bart

Tue 02/06/24 05:20 AM

Biden is far from incompetent? LOL, we have gotten use to you saying thatā€¦ but itā€™s good for a laugh every time we hear it..Anybody can say Biden is competent and wise . But try convincing the 75% of Americans that have dismissed him as a weak ineffective leader.. His leadership has demoralized this county in many ways.. Our economy has suffered . Our morals have been erased because of the far left pushing their agenda of freakish behavior and Joe endorses it. He is ignorant when it comes to foreign relations and his weakness has caused the death of three more servicemen. Remember the 13 that died needlessly during the Afghanistan withdrawal due to Joes incompetence. Now he wants to portray that heā€™s wanted to secure the border since day one of his presidency. LOL.. .He opened the border on day one and has let in about 8 million unvetted illegal aliens free to come and go as they please and get away with criminal actsā€¦ You say Biden will win and Putin will give up. LOL.. are you serious? Putin knew better than to invade Ukraine when Trump was president but when Biden became president, Putin spotted the weakness and unwillingness to deter a invasion. Iā€™d be willing to bet that if Trump wins this next election, we will see a end to that warā€¦
Edited by Bart on Tue 02/06/24 05:28 AM
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Mr Good Guy

Tue 02/06/24 06:02 AM

"Biden is far from incompetent. Very strategic and thoughtful." Not a chance in hell you believe this. Come on, man as your fearless leader would say.

Is he "strategic" when he walks the wrong way to exit stages? Or when he shakes hands with imaginary ghosts? Is he "thoughtful" when he says hi to dead people that he thought were in the audience? Was he "thoughtful" when he confused French President Macron with long-dead Mitterrand just yesterday? The guy is a mess and dropping FAST. He'll be lucky to make it to the end of his term towards the end of this year.

I'm convinced you are a troll. Nobody can be this far off. Nobody.
Edited by Mr Good Guy on Tue 02/06/24 06:04 AM
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Mortman

Tue 02/06/24 07:34 AM

I'm convinced you are a troll. Nobody can be this far off. Nobody.

No, I get it. You love Trump. That's fine. Every time we ask for reasons, you point to feelings. Never numbers or facts. Trump made you feel better. Never mind that he was breaking laws left and right. Kissing up to dictators while trying to dismantle NATO and long-held treaties with allies. The economy ran well under Trump--until it didn't. What a leader, am I right?

Since Biden came to office, unemployment hit record lows. Lower than any time under Trump. The stock market hit record highs. Record highs after Trump promised the market would crash under Biden. Republicans promised that the whole economy would crash and recession would come. It never came. Through careful work the US had a "soft landing." The US economy is doing better than any other industrialized country and for the first time, the US is outgrowing China. That never happened under Trump.

I don't believe that Biden did all of that, but Biden put in place the people to make it happen, and let them do their job. Trump hired TV personalities and his administration was a wreck. A dumpster fire. I'm not trolling, but providing sober counterpoints to the mind-numbingly partisan attacks against Biden.

I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings, or looks like trolling, but until you can come up with facts to support Trump, besides his record number of felony charges against a former president, or number of market-turning tweets from any president, I remain unimpressed.
Edited by Mortman on Tue 02/06/24 07:37 AM
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Mr Good Guy

Tue 02/06/24 07:51 AM


I'm convinced you are a troll. Nobody can be this far off. Nobody.

No, I get it. You love Trump. That's fine. Every time we ask for reasons, you point to feelings. Never numbers or facts. Trump made you feel better. Never mind that he was breaking laws left and right. Kissing up to dictators while trying to dismantle NATO and long-held treaties with allies. The economy ran well under Trump--until it didn't. What a leader, am I right?

Since Biden came to office, unemployment hit record lows. Lower than any time under Trump. The stock market hit record highs. Record highs after Trump promised the market would crash under Biden. Republicans promised that the whole economy would crash and recession would come. It never came. Through careful work the US had a "soft landing." The US economy is doing better than any other industrialized country and for the first time, the US is outgrowing China. That never happened under Trump.

I don't believe that Biden did all of that, but Biden put in place the people to make it happen, and let them do their job. Trump hired TV personalities and his administration was a wreck. A dumpster fire. I'm not trolling, but providing sober counterpoints to the mind-numbingly partisan attacks against Biden.

I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings, or looks like trolling, but until you can come up with facts to support Trump, besides his record number of felony charges against a former president, or number of market-turning tweets from any president, I remain unimpressed.
[/quote. Once again, as is often the case, you're stretching. Only this time you ADDED things you know nothing about.

I don't love Trump nor do I go to his rallies, etc. I'm just wise enough to see that, AS A WHOLE, Republican policies are far better for moving this country forward than Democrat policies and yes, Trump's policies in most areas were spot on. I could give you facts and figures but you already know them yet refuse to acknowledge them so what's the point? Anyone boldly claiming Biden is "competent. Very strategic and thoughtful" is so far gone there's no point in using common sense with him.
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Mortman

Tue 02/06/24 08:13 AM

Biden is far from incompetent? LOL, we have gotten use to you saying thatā€¦ but itā€™s good for a laugh every time we hear it..Anybody can say Biden is competent and wise . But try convincing the 75% of Americans that have dismissed him as a weak ineffective leader.. His leadership has demoralized this county in many ways.. Our economy has suffered . Our morals have been erased because of the far left pushing their agenda of freakish behavior and Joe endorses it. He is ignorant when it comes to foreign relations and his weakness has caused the death of three more servicemen. Remember the 13 that died needlessly during the Afghanistan withdrawal due to Joes incompetence. Now he wants to portray that heā€™s wanted to secure the border since day one of his presidency. LOL.. .He opened the border on day one and has let in about 8 million unvetted illegal aliens free to come and go as they please and get away with criminal actsā€¦ You say Biden will win and Putin will give up. LOL.. are you serious? Putin knew better than to invade Ukraine when Trump was president but when Biden became president, Putin spotted the weakness and unwillingness to deter a invasion. Iā€™d be willing to bet that if Trump wins this next election, we will see a end to that warā€¦

The only reason Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office was that it takes years to setup an invasion like that. Had Trump won in 2020, Russia would've just rolled in and Trump kissing Putin's butt the whole time, cheering the Ukrainian genocide.

If you've got a link to your poll that says 75% of Americans dismiss Biden as ineffective, I'd like to see it. The polls I see show it's 60% or less disapproval (not "ineffective"). His approval is around 30-40%.

Sure, people in the military die. It's dangerous out there. Just like the 60+ military personnel who died while Trump was in office. Biden didn't detonate that bomb in Afghanistan. It was a mess that day, and over 100 civilians died, too, but how is that Biden's fault? The US mission to Syria didn't start under Biden, but Biden is striking back. The strike that killed three in Jordan is more about the problems with Israel vs Hamas. Please explain how Biden did that.

The funniest thing you typed was about morals. You think the guy with several marriages and affairs, took in $millions in foreign payments while President, who committed dozens--if not hundreds of felonies, says he did nothing wrong, but has total immunity--is the moral one? What "freakish behavior" did Biden endorse? Secretary Pete has you afraid for the children? Sorry, but I just don't see it. Please explain that.
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Mortman

Tue 02/06/24 08:22 AM

I don't love Trump nor do I go to his rallies, etc. I'm just wise enough to see that, AS A WHOLE, Republican policies are far better for moving this country forward than Democrat policies and yes, Trump's policies in most areas were spot on. I could give you facts and figures but you already know them yet refuse to acknowledge them so what's the point? Anyone boldly claiming Biden is "competent. Very strategic and thoughtful" is so far gone there's no point in using common sense with him.

Wait. You could give facts and figures but think I already know them? Please humor me. What are these facts that you think I know that shows Trump was better?

All you pointed to above was the excerpts from edited videos, where you think Biden's doing funny/strange stuff. Please share the "facts and figures."

If Republican policies are better, why is it that the economy just does better under Democratic presidencies?

The U.S. economy performs much better when a Democrat is president than when a Republican is.ā€ - Alan Blinder and Mark Watson,. Economists, Princeton University.


presidentialdata.org

But please do share what you mean.
Edited by Mortman on Tue 02/06/24 08:24 AM
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Mortman

Tue 02/06/24 08:57 AM

Sorry this spun off in a tangent on Biden v. Trump. Back to the main topic:

Putin is certainly controversial, and I personally think he's awful, but I have Russians in my family so I do understand other aspects to the story. First, Russia is a huge country. Huge!! The country spans 11 time zones. Numerous regional languages and not all the regions really get along. No one person could ever lead that country with everybody liking them. We may see Putin as a heavy-handed authoritarian or dictator, but that's probably what's needed in that part of the world. Anything less, and he'd have been taken out, long ago.

It seems Putin has nostalgia for the Soviet Era, and is trying to pull the country back together. For unification. He also runs a really strong propaganda operation, so people in Russia just love the guy, overall. Russians I know say Putin is a living god. No convincing them otherwise, so I have to be diplomatic in my assessments around them. Especially with regards to Ukraine or other international relations. We've resigned to disagree on this stuff.

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Larsson71

Tue 02/06/24 09:27 AM


J Biden is POTUS and he is an Incompetent Leader of this county America.

Putin and J Biden have a lot in common.


Biden is far from incompetent. Very strategic and thoughtful. I guess Putin thinks a lot, too, but not so clever. Putin fell for the lies of his yes-men, and is now paying for it in young Russian lives and the $trillions lost in the Russian economy. Putin's banking on getting Trump re-elected so he can bully Trump into letting him have his way with Ukraine & NATO. But Biden will win and Putin will have to give up.
"Far from incompetent?":thinking::thinking:šŸ¤· The guy would be better off in a Nursing home, as he is not well! He couldn't run a bath, never mind a Country!šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
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Bart

Tue 02/06/24 10:23 AM


Biden is far from incompetent? LOL, we have gotten use to you saying thatā€¦ but itā€™s good for a laugh every time we hear it..Anybody can say Biden is competent and wise . But try convincing the 75% of Americans that have dismissed him as a weak ineffective leader.. His leadership has demoralized this county in many ways.. Our economy has suffered . Our morals have been erased because of the far left pushing their agenda of freakish behavior and Joe endorses it. He is ignorant when it comes to foreign relations and his weakness has caused the death of three more servicemen. Remember the 13 that died needlessly during the Afghanistan withdrawal due to Joes incompetence. Now he wants to portray that heā€™s wanted to secure the border since day one of his presidency. LOL.. .He opened the border on day one and has let in about 8 million unvetted illegal aliens free to come and go as they please and get away with criminal actsā€¦ You say Biden will win and Putin will give up. LOL.. are you serious? Putin knew better than to invade Ukraine when Trump was president but when Biden became president, Putin spotted the weakness and unwillingness to deter a invasion. Iā€™d be willing to bet that if Trump wins this next election, we will see a end to that warā€¦

The only reason Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office was that it takes years to setup an invasion like that. Had Trump won in 2020, Russia would've just rolled in and Trump kissing Putin's butt the whole time, cheering the Ukrainian genocide.

If you've got a link to your poll that says 75% of Americans dismiss Biden as ineffective, I'd like to see it. The polls I see show it's 60% or less disapproval (not "ineffective"). His approval is around 30-40%.

Sure, people in the military die. It's dangerous out there. Just like the 60+ military personnel who died while Trump was in office. Biden didn't detonate that bomb in Afghanistan. It was a mess that day, and over 100 civilians died, too, but how is that Biden's fault? The US mission to Syria didn't start under Biden, but Biden is striking back. The strike that killed three in Jordan is more about the problems with Israel vs Hamas. Please explain how Biden did that.

The funniest thing you typed was about morals. You think the guy with several marriages and affairs, took in $millions in foreign payments while President, who committed dozens--if not hundreds of felonies, says he did nothing wrong, but has total immunity--is the moral one? What "freakish behavior" did Biden endorse? Secretary Pete has you afraid for the children? Sorry, but I just don't see it. Please explain that.

I canā€™t stop laughing at the non-sense you ā€˜sayā€™ you believe..first of all Biden didnā€™t listen to his military experts telling him it would be a cluster f*** if he followed through on His plan of withdrawal from Afghanistan. And it was. Thatā€™s what led to a bomber gathering together with hundreds of other unknowns at one gate.. A Cluster F***ā€¦. It was right after Biden became president that the intel started seeing Russian troops amassing on that border.. it took approximately 3 months after Biden took office that Russia went in. Remember Biden saying donā€™t worry, they would probably just do a small incursionā€¦I blame Biden for the 3 servicemen killed in Jordan because he let our troops be attacked so many times before he ordered a strike that did nothing to deter another attackā€¦his plan of appeasement comes from his former boss Obama.. it didnā€™t work then and it ainā€™t working nowā€¦ with the millions Biden and Hunter are accused of swindling out of foreign countryā€™s I donā€™t think you want to go there about Trump. The morals Iā€™m talking about are the anti-semitists marching in our streets or in our federally funded universities. The liberal DAs letting people get by with attacking our cops and civilians. The teaching to our children that this country is racist and all white people are guilty of holding back minorities. The normalization of transgenders or drag queens as something we should praise and behold as heroic. The lies he spreads to demonize law enforcement..His weaponizing of his DOJ against anybody that opposes him and his unconstitutional act of trying to stop millions of voters from exercising their right to vote for the person of their choiceā€¦and the illegal invasion on our southern border that Joe encourages everydayā€¦ Iā€™ve never seen so much dereliction of duty with Biden.. yet the media praises him as great for America , even the cnn poll has joe way underwater on every topic when matched against Trump, not my words but theirs....and BTW, I wouldnā€™t let Pete walk my dog..
Edited by Bart on Tue 02/06/24 11:07 AM
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Mortman

Tue 02/06/24 02:35 PM

I canā€™t stop laughing at the non-sense you ā€˜sayā€™ you believe..first of all Biden didnā€™t listen to his military experts telling him it would be a cluster f*** if he followed through on His plan of withdrawal from Afghanistan. And it was. Thatā€™s what led to a bomber gathering together with hundreds of other unknowns at one gate.. A Cluster F***ā€¦. It was right after Biden became president that the intel started seeing Russian troops amassing on that border.. it took approximately 3 months after Biden took office that Russia went in. Remember Biden saying donā€™t worry, they would probably just do a small incursionā€¦I blame Biden for the 3 servicemen killed in Jordan because he let our troops be attacked so many times before he ordered a strike that did nothing to deter another attackā€¦his plan of appeasement comes from his former boss Obama.. it didnā€™t work then and it ainā€™t working nowā€¦ with the millions Biden and Hunter are accused of swindling out of foreign countryā€™s I donā€™t think you want to go there about Trump. The morals Iā€™m talking about are the anti-semitists marching in our streets or in our federally funded universities. The liberal DAs letting people get by with attacking our cops and civilians. The teaching to our children that this country is racist and all white people are guilty of holding back minorities. The normalization of transgenders or drag queens as something we should praise and behold as heroic. The lies he spreads to demonize law enforcement..His weaponizing of his DOJ against anybody that opposes him and his unconstitutional act of trying to stop millions of voters from exercising their right to vote for the person of their choiceā€¦and the illegal invasion on our southern border that Joe encourages everydayā€¦ Iā€™ve never seen so much dereliction of duty with Biden.. yet the media praises him as great for America , even the cnn poll has joe way underwater on every topic when matched against Trump, not my words but theirs....and BTW, I wouldnā€™t let Pete walk my dog..

No. An invasion force mustering along a border never just pops up in modern warfare. That kind of operation takes months if not years. If the force did start showing up right after Biden entered office, that means the plan is at least several months along at that point. Especially in Russia, where most of their hardware would've been kept in stockpiles and maintenance yards. And even if they failed to realize their logistics were a joke and their equipment was not mission capable, and a lot of it stolen and unmaintained, they don't just raise a flag and forces assemble. The mess in Afghanistan was also negotiated by Pompeo on behalf of Trump, back in early 2020. The Trump Administration's incompetence is to blame for a lot of the chaos that happened the next year. It's not like they made any arrangements once they lost the election. That's trump doing all he can to make others look bad. Again.

And if you haven't seen so much dereliction of duty, then you were asleep during the Trump Administration.
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Tue 02/06/24 02:38 PM

"Far from incompetent?":thinking::thinking:šŸ¤· The guy would be better off in a Nursing home, as he is not well! He couldn't run a bath, never mind a Country!šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Sure, Biden's far past his prime, but he's got wisdom to go with that age, and he still out-negotiated Kevin McCarthy over the debt ceiling. He's gotten major legislation passed even with a Republican House. Biden is so strong that all Republicans can do is try to dig in their heels and refuse ALL attempts at immigration reform--after their crying about immigration reform for years. It looks like you've been taken in by the MAGA spin.
Edited by Mortman on Tue 02/06/24 02:39 PM
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Bart

Wed 02/07/24 04:00 PM


"Far from incompetent?":thinking::thinking:šŸ¤· The guy would be better off in a Nursing home, as he is not well! He couldn't run a bath, never mind a Country!šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Sure, Biden's far past his prime, but he's got wisdom to go with that age, and he still out-negotiated Kevin McCarthy over the debt ceiling. He's gotten major legislation passed even with a Republican House. Biden is so strong that all Republicans can do is try to dig in their heels and refuse ALL attempts at immigration reform--after their crying about immigration reform for years. It looks like you've been taken in by the MAGA spin.

3 out of every 10 people align with your way of thinking, delusional. Sounds as if your the one being taken in. Taken in by the MASA extremists spin . . MASA= make America suck again.
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Wed 02/07/24 07:07 PM


"Far from incompetent?":thinking::thinking:šŸ¤· The guy would be better off in a Nursing home, as he is not well! He couldn't run a bath, never mind a Country!šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Sure, Biden's far past his prime, but he's got wisdom to go with that age, and he still out-negotiated Kevin McCarthy over the debt ceiling. He's gotten major legislation passed even with a Republican House. Biden is so strong that all Republicans can do is try to dig in their heels and refuse ALL attempts at immigration reform--after their crying about immigration reform for years. It looks like you've been taken in by the MAGA spin.
Why would I be taken in by the MAGA spin?:thinking::thinking:šŸ¤·I'm not even an American, I'm Scottish, but I still know that Biden, is not well and he should be in a Nursing Home, getting taken care of, instead of running the United States. What I do know is it's YOU, who have been duped, as you can't see what's actually in front of you and can't realise that your Government and Biden, are running your Country into the ground, but you're blinkered by your Democratic views and don't even realise that? Instead you'll shout from the rooftops that it's Trumps fault, but what about Biden? He's the POTUS, not Trump. Is he immune from from blame, while you all blame Trump, for everything? Is he hell! The fact of the matter is, the last two Presidents you have had, have been an absolute joke, to be honest. The rest of the World looks at who you have elected and really can't fathom it out why anyone like that could be elected to run and represent a Country like the United States. That's the truth of the matter!
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Mr Good Guy

Wed 02/07/24 07:52 PM



"Far from incompetent?":thinking::thinking:šŸ¤· The guy would be better off in a Nursing home, as he is not well! He couldn't run a bath, never mind a Country!šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Sure, Biden's far past his prime, but he's got wisdom to go with that age, and he still out-negotiated Kevin McCarthy over the debt ceiling. He's gotten major legislation passed even with a Republican House. Biden is so strong that all Republicans can do is try to dig in their heels and refuse ALL attempts at immigration reform--after their crying about immigration reform for years. It looks like you've been taken in by the MAGA spin.
Why would I be taken in by the MAGA spin?:thinking::thinking:šŸ¤·I'm not even an American, I'm Scottish, but I still know that Biden, is not well and he should be in a Nursing Home, getting taken care of, instead of running the United States. What I do know is it's YOU, who have been duped, as you can't see what's actually in front of you and can't realise that your Government and Biden, are running your Country into the ground, but you're blinkered by your Democratic views and don't even realise that? Instead you'll shout from the rooftops that it's Trumps fault, but what about Biden? He's the POTUS, not Trump. Is he immune from from blame, while you all blame Trump, for everything? Is he hell! The fact of the matter is, the last two Presidents you have had, have been an absolute joke, to be honest. The rest of the World looks at who you have elected and really can't fathom it out why anyone like that could be elected to run and represent a Country like the United States. That's the truth of the matter!
Ouch, yet interesting to hear from someone outside the US
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Larsson71

Wed 02/07/24 10:24 PM




"Far from incompetent?":thinking::thinking:šŸ¤· The guy would be better off in a Nursing home, as he is not well! He couldn't run a bath, never mind a Country!šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Sure, Biden's far past his prime, but he's got wisdom to go with that age, and he still out-negotiated Kevin McCarthy over the debt ceiling. He's gotten major legislation passed even with a Republican House. Biden is so strong that all Republicans can do is try to dig in their heels and refuse ALL attempts at immigration reform--after their crying about immigration reform for years. It looks like you've been taken in by the MAGA spin.
Why would I be taken in by the MAGA spin?:thinking::thinking:šŸ¤·I'm not even an American, I'm Scottish, but I still know that Biden, is not well and he should be in a Nursing Home, getting taken care of, instead of running the United States. What I do know is it's YOU, who have been duped, as you can't see what's actually in front of you and can't realise that your Government and Biden, are running your Country into the ground, but you're blinkered by your Democratic views and don't even realise that? Instead you'll shout from the rooftops that it's Trumps fault, but what about Biden? He's the POTUS, not Trump. Is he immune from from blame, while you all blame Trump, for everything? Is he hell! The fact of the matter is, the last two Presidents you have had, have been an absolute joke, to be honest. The rest of the World looks at who you have elected and really can't fathom it out why anyone like that could be elected to run and represent a Country like the United States. That's the truth of the matter!
Ouch, yet interesting to hear from someone outside the US
It's just that I'm not blinkered by the way Politics are in the US. Let's face it, Politicians, around the World, are all the same nowadays? Out to line their own pockets and to hell with the electorate. The only ones they want to help are the big Corporations and their funders, because they see them alright with backhanders, etc, for doing so. They no longer work for the people who elect them in the first place. Sad, but true. Biden, is in no fit state, mentally and physically, to run any Country, never mind the United States. That's why an outsider, like myself can see that totally, but anyone who is brainwashed, with a Democrat outlook, can't. My own Country, the UK, has a Government, who are as much use as a chocolate teapot, but I never voted for them, as I knew they were incompetent from day one. Sadly, we have to suffer though, for other people's inability, to recognise that fact, when they elected them! :thumbsup::100::sunglasses: