Topic: Judge: Trump submitted fraudulent valuations
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Dodo_David

Tue 09/26/23 02:27 PM

ABC News headline:

"Donald Trump submitted 'fraudulent valuations' for assets used to secure loans, judge rules"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-submitted-fraudulent-valuations-assets-secure-loans/story?id=103508205

From the article:

"The judge said Trump and the other defendants have a 'propensity to engage in persistent fraud,' severely undercutting the defense Trump will offer when the case goes on trial next month."

I suppose that Trump's supporters will post attempts to defend him, that is when they are not busy doing this:

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Bart

Wed 09/27/23 04:33 AM

Our president, Joe Biden fraudulently values his policies as good for America while our eyes and our common sense tells us better. Yet he keeps spouting those lies knowing he’s not fooling anyone.
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Donnie

Wed 09/27/23 06:13 AM

No one is perfect, and it's a bad thing that unless you're a total doormat you're going to have enemies. So while Trump isn't perfect he is at least an enemy of some of my enemies.
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Unknow

Thu 09/28/23 11:23 PM

I’m trying to understand how a bank would lend more money on a property than it is worth? Banks don’t do that, they get appraisals on properties they have as collateral! So who valued these properties and decided they were way overvalued? If the banks have no problems with it, then what is the lawsuit for? It certainly isn’t protecting the banks!
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Unknow

Thu 09/28/23 11:36 PM

Even before she took office as New York's attorney general, Letitia James has had Donald Trump in her sights.

On the night she was elected in 2018, the former city councilwoman and public defender took aim at Mr Trump.

"He should know that we here in New York - and I, in particular - we are not scared of you," she warned.

She pledged to shine "a bright light into every dark corner of his real estate dealings, and every dealing, demanding truthfulness at every turn".

she wants a name for herself, and the left will believe her hate.
Edited by Unknow on Thu 09/28/23 11:37 PM
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Bart

Fri 09/29/23 05:32 AM


Even before she took office as New York's attorney general, Letitia James has had Donald Trump in her sights.

On the night she was elected in 2018, the former city councilwoman and public defender took aim at Mr Trump.

"He should know that we here in New York - and I, in particular - we are not scared of you," she warned.

She pledged to shine "a bright light into every dark corner of his real estate dealings, and every dealing, demanding truthfulness at every turn".

she wants a name for herself, and the left will believe her hate.

:thumbsup: 100% agree. Anyone that doesn’t try to inflate the value of anything that they are applying for a loan for is not very bright. Like seeking friends said” if the bank oks the loan than who is this corrupt A.G. to think she knows better. I’m curious to know what skeletons lie in her closet . With this witch hunt “number what 50”? you will see his poll numbers rise again. Please keep knit picking every move or word from Trump at your own detriment…The MAGA world loves it….
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HumanMale

Sat 09/30/23 09:45 AM

Biden has been a long-time crook. Hell, he was the paid servant of DuPont and the chemical companies of Delaware, and then was a stooge for the banking industry when Delaware was one of the first states to do away with "usury" (loan sharking) laws.

So the fact that Biden is dirty should be no surprise.

Donald Trump is a braggart and traitor. He really did call on Russia, China and other countries to interfere in US politics -- the subject of his first impeachment.

And traitor Trump did really rally a crowd of his supporters and order them to go to the US Capitol and "fight like hell" to overturn the certification of his election loss.

Nothing like that has ever happened in US history. Sorry, traitor Trump should have been locked up on the evening of Jan 6th except that Mike Pence is a spineless sell-out who didn't want to choose anything.

The best thing we can hope for is that both Biden and Trump are put on trial and maybe we could get some politicians running in 2024 that would not be ancient out-of-touch dinosaurs riddled with dementia.
Edited by HumanMale on Sat 09/30/23 10:27 AM
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Bart

Sat 09/30/23 01:55 PM

Donald Trump a Braggart? Of course he is and probaly a few other names he has lived up to. But a traitor , no way. And he did not order anybody to overthrow anything… Trump was always saying “ fight like hell” because he saw the writing on the wall of what the Democrats would do to this country if they were in charge. And brother he was spot on. Here’s news for anybody that still believes that Jan6 was the worse day in history… no one over threw our elected government , or even tried to do that… none of the Tresspasser’s were armed… you don’t try to overthrow a government if the gaurds at the doors opened them and led you on a tour like some Capitol cops did with several of the Trespassers . As for the Russia - Trump collusion.. Bull S**t. Talk to Hillary and the FBI and the anti-Trump media. That was a lie initiated by crooked Hillary, illegally investigated by the the FBI, and reported as fact on every corrupt news station for 3 years before a credible investigation found it to be as I described . 3 years knowingly wasted time and $$$ all from a rumor overheard at a bar... You are right about Biden though , he should be in jail because what he has done is far worse than what Trump has done.
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Toodygirl5

Sat 09/30/23 04:02 PM




The present POTUS is the Traitor.

It will be good when he is found guilty of all his deceitfulness.

Where is he putting America First!!

Trump is a hero next to him.
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Sat 09/30/23 04:05 PM
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bruins

Sun 10/01/23 02:27 AM

Donald Trump a Braggart? Of course he is and probaly a few other names he has lived up to. But a traitor , no way. And he did not order anybody to overthrow anything… Trump was always saying “ fight like hell” because he saw the writing on the wall of what the Democrats would do to this country if they were in charge. And brother he was spot on. Here’s news for anybody that still believes that Jan6 was the worse day in history… no one over threw our elected government , or even tried to do that… none of the Tresspasser’s were armed… you don’t try to overthrow a government if the gaurds at the doors opened them and led you on a tour like some Capitol cops did with several of the Trespassers . As for the Russia - Trump collusion.. Bull S**t. Talk to Hillary and the FBI and the anti-Trump media. That was a lie initiated by crooked Hillary, illegally investigated by the the FBI, and reported as fact on every corrupt news station for 3 years before a credible investigation found it to be as I described . 3 years knowingly wasted time and $$$ all from a rumor overheard at a bar... You are right about Biden though , he should be in jail because what he has done is far worse than what Trump has done.

I guess there's a lot of people here that haven't seen the news out of Arizona Trump just wanted to proper election. That's what everybody wants, nobody believe there was any interference. There's any fraud while look what just happened in Arizona. Mikelyn DOW is the one that fought for it paid the money out of his own pocket. It never gave up and now to Looks like that moron governor is had to step down is what was a lot of other people. There's a lot of judges involved in this, too. They've been blocking evidence from being put into record case Michigan, same issues.
Wisconsin same issues wisconsin, 90% of senior citizens in full-time care homes. Voted a record never seen before, not even close. Explain it, please watch 2000 mules.
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Mr Good Guy

Sun 10/01/23 08:13 AM


Donald Trump a Braggart? Of course he is and probaly a few other names he has lived up to. But a traitor , no way. And he did not order anybody to overthrow anything… Trump was always saying “ fight like hell” because he saw the writing on the wall of what the Democrats would do to this country if they were in charge. And brother he was spot on. Here’s news for anybody that still believes that Jan6 was the worse day in history… no one over threw our elected government , or even tried to do that… none of the Tresspasser’s were armed… you don’t try to overthrow a government if the gaurds at the doors opened them and led you on a tour like some Capitol cops did with several of the Trespassers . As for the Russia - Trump collusion.. Bull S**t. Talk to Hillary and the FBI and the anti-Trump media. That was a lie initiated by crooked Hillary, illegally investigated by the the FBI, and reported as fact on every corrupt news station for 3 years before a credible investigation found it to be as I described . 3 years knowingly wasted time and $$$ all from a rumor overheard at a bar... You are right about Biden though , he should be in jail because what he has done is far worse than what Trump has done.

I guess there's a lot of people here that haven't seen the news out of Arizona Trump just wanted to proper election. That's what everybody wants, nobody believe there was any interference. There's any fraud while look what just happened in Arizona. Mikelyn DOW is the one that fought for it paid the money out of his own pocket. It never gave up and now to Looks like that moron governor is had to step down is what was a lot of other people. There's a lot of judges involved in this, too. They've been blocking evidence from being put into record case Michigan, same issues.
Wisconsin same issues wisconsin, 90% of senior citizens in full-time care homes. Voted a record never seen before, not even close. Explain it, please watch 2000 mules.
I live in Arizona (versus your British Columbia) and can barely understand what it is you are trying to say.
Edited by Mr Good Guy on Sun 10/01/23 08:14 AM
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Unknow

Fri 10/27/23 06:26 PM

i understand what he is saying, no problem
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Unknow

Fri 11/10/23 08:26 AM

Ergonon even said, "I don't want to hear anything else you have to say" during one of Trump's responses to a question during testimony. This by itself is admission by the judge that he has already pre-determined the outcome and is grounds to dismiss the case or be a slam dunk win for Trump on appeal.
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Unknow

Fri 11/10/23 09:05 AM

"The fact that she is going every day James – on the taxpayers’ dime – putting aside every other thing she has to do to sit there in the front row, to smile, after she campaigned on going against Donald Trump, it's to be in the shot, to make statements to the press and just further bolsters the widespread frustration that this is a political witch hunt," Urbahn argued.
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Mortman

Sun 11/12/23 08:29 PM


Ergonon even said, "I don't want to hear anything else you have to say" during one of Trump's responses to a question during testimony. This by itself is admission by the judge that he has already pre-determined the outcome and is grounds to dismiss the case or be a slam dunk win for Trump on appeal.

Judge Engoron said that because Trump wouldn't answer the questions, and instead meandered on to complain about various other subjects, like in his rally speeches where he just yammers.
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Mortman

Sun 11/12/23 08:32 PM


"The fact that she is going every day James – on the taxpayers’ dime – putting aside every other thing she has to do to sit there in the front row, to smile, after she campaigned on going against Donald Trump, it's to be in the shot, to make statements to the press and just further bolsters the widespread frustration that this is a political witch hunt," Urbahn argued.

You know Letitia James is not paid by the hour, right? Overseeing a trial with her staff attorneys is easily within her job responsibilities.
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Unknow

Wed 11/22/23 06:12 AM

think oh a farm of mice now, they pick on one mice, and the rest is eating rest of the food.

so now take it this way i am going to ignore all the crimes in the city and just go after one person, i personally see to that. after all i campaigned on that promise.

it should be up to the banks that do that, when a normal citizen takes out a bank loan, its the banks you deal with.

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Mortman

Wed 11/22/23 11:12 AM


think oh a farm of mice now, they pick on one mice, and the rest is eating rest of the food.

so now take it this way i am going to ignore all the crimes in the city and just go after one person, i personally see to that. after all i campaigned on that promise.

it should be up to the banks that do that, when a normal citizen takes out a bank loan, its the banks you deal with.

You think the entire Attorney General's office is working solely on Trump's fraud trial?

A quick glance at the NY State AG web page shows they've got many things going on.
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Unknow

Fri 12/01/23 06:49 AM

Everyone in the real-estate business does this. The bank reviews the appraisal and decides if the property is worth it or not. The banks approved Trumps estimates on the properties so they couldn't of been that fraudulent. The banks were paid back and they approved the monetary estimates so where is the crime? If they're gonna pull this on Trump then there's hundreds of other real-estate investors and banks guilty of the same thing. Investigate the investigators and the people who brought the charges against him. Odds are they may have committed the same fake crime.
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Mortman

Fri 12/01/23 12:01 PM

Everyone in the real-estate business does this. The bank reviews the appraisal and decides if the property is worth it or not. The banks approved Trumps estimates on the properties so they couldn't of been that fraudulent. The banks were paid back and they approved the monetary estimates so where is the crime? If they're gonna pull this on Trump then there's hundreds of other real-estate investors and banks guilty of the same thing. Investigate the investigators and the people who brought the charges against him. Odds are they may have committed the same fake crime.

Where's the crime? It's called bank fraud. You can look it up, but here's a link.

Trump is only being sued in civil court, not criminal court, so he's not going to jail for this. Only being fined and losing his NY business licenses. Your argument that the banks made money doesn't matter. Trough Trump's fraud, he got a larger loan and a lower interest rate than otherwise eligible, so the bank lost out on income and trough tax fraud, the state lost out on tax revenue. It went both ways, and it's going to cost Trump hundreds of $millions. If everybody in the real estate business is doing it, then this case will be a strong message that they should stop it.

If you want to make banking fraud legal, then the law has to change. It's not the DA's fault that her office is doing their job.