Right before the war began and tensions were very high, I looked up what it was all about.
If that was correct, it is the US that caused this.
What I read... Ukraine wants to be part of the west and as such it had to join NATO, whether it wanted that or not.
NATO = US basically, forcing other countries to allow their military bases and meddling in the member countries.
If Ukraine would join the west and for that had to join NATO America could also have bases on Russia's doorstep and Russia did not want that.
Can you blame them?
I can't. Quite logical. You don't want your arch enemy that close, within shooting and spying distance.
The whole "join the west, MUST join NATO & MUST allow military bases" is what caused this shizzel to occur.
If Russia had had a similar thing with Mexico and would then be able to have Russian military bases on America's doorstep we'd have a war as well.
America would go ballistic, just like what happened with Russia & Ukraine.
They could've sorted it, saved everyone a helluva lot of money and save a lot of lives if a compromise had been made:
Allow Ukraine to join the west to trade etc. WITHOUT the military bases.
Again, if this info is correct then I totally understand why Russia did what it did.
Doesn't mean I agree with this war or what has happened and is happening, but I do agree America should take its finger out of every pie in the world.
As it is there aren't even a handful of countries that could take on America if need be.
Russia is one of them.
The ones that want & try to control the world also reside in the US for a big part, although these days I do suspect also in the EU.
That means we cannot have the US be all-powerful.
Personally I'm not chuffed about the opposing countries that (can) keep the balance, but without them America would be way too powerful.
In any case, based on that info I read, this war could have been prevented if only a compromise was reached. For instance no NATO bases in Ukraine.
I believe Russia would have agreed, albeit cautiously.
I believe the only reason it escalated is that America refused to even think of backing down from having military bases in Ukraine.
This whole "Yes, join the west, it's great!!" thing is just a (American) power scheme to get military bases in as many countries as possible.
The ultimatum of "yes you can join, but only if you allow our bases" is sheer manipulation and part of a carefully construed plan.
At least Russia is smart enough to see that.
The result of that scheme is what has been going on in Ukraine since.
NATO member nations are not obligated to allow US bases in their countries. And Russia already had NATO member nations on their border. Why would Ukraine be more hazardous than Turkey, Latvia or Estonia? And since the war started Finland joined NATO, which has more than 1200 km of border with Russia.
If your argument was that the US was dead set on basing troops in Ukraine, then what about when Trump even offered to forbid US troops in Ukraine or even allowing Ukraine to join NATO? Russia has never agreed to a ceasefire, or any reasonable arrangement to end the war short of Ukraine's belonging to Russia.
No, Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine because he wanted to take over that country. He tells Russia that it's not a valid country and that Ukraine and Ukrainians aren't even a thing. He says they're all Russians, and that "Ukrainians" should be eliminated. That, of course, goes against current and pre-Soviet history, and is not at all what he officially based his invasion on. In fact, for over a year, they couldn't even call it an invasion or even a war, and instead had to call it a "special military operation." But, yeah, you probably could get a different story if you're reading Russia Today or some other pro-Russian news source.
Edited by
Mortman
on Sat 04/05/25 02:37 PM
