How much does the laws of attraction apply to witchcraft, Paganism, Wiccans, or even Buddhism.

What do you know about the Laws of Attraction?

Some believe that thoughts are frequencies and can determine our outcomes in the future. So if one can harness the frequencies to have better results in the future one can actually live a life more productive.

If this is to be true then this is more then just positive thinking but instead to help focus on the future to get the actual results you envision.

So is this more then just wishful thinking to result to a healthy mind, adjust your body posture, improve your thinking, and create emotions to adapt to society?


Some say your thoughts and your feelings create your life.

I know as I occassionally meditate, I create the flow of energy from nature to surge into me to bring the joy of happiness and serenity. It helps me feel at a different level enjoying that I am one with the earth. The funny thing is I never ask for anything more then feeling good at the moment. Some people would just suggest to smoke a joint instead , but I don't do that.

It seems like there are many forms of achieving the laws of attraction regardless what religious or spiritual path you take. If it be the wisdom of native indians, hinduism, or any other belief system.

What are your thoughts on the Laws of Attraction and how has it affected you? What are your methods of achieving this state of happiness?

On Pot

That is extremely bad advice. Marijuana is known to have different affects on different people. I've known people who become violent when smoking marijuana, and people who become extremely lonely and depressed when smoking it. It might give them some physical sensations that they feel are good, but overall it does not guarantee a good disposition by far.

I have smoked marijuana, for an extended period in my life. It did have a tranquil affect on me. However, I personally believe that this is because I was naturally tranquil and all the drug was truly doing was amplifying (or making me more sensitive) to feelings that I already had. I also have a great imagination normally, and my imagination tends to be positive (not nightmarish). So when I smoked marijuana those very same imaginings were more lucid, and so for me it was a bit like being in "Alice in Wonderland".

But after seeing the affects that the drug has had on other people I am totally convinced that my experience with the drug was just a personal amplification of what I already was (and potentially the same was true for other people).

The other important thing is that the "Alice in Wonderland" affect isn't long-lived in the big picture. After a while it tapers off, but you continue to use the drug for what people call "The Buzz". And all "The Buzz" truly is, is a chemical addiction of sorts to where you just don't feel completely unless you have the drug in your systems. It's not a hazardous addition in that you typically won't do outrageous things to get it (like you would for say, Heroin), but you will do stupid things to get it, like spending good money on it when you truly don't need it. Plus if you smoke too much of it, it will bring you down at least physically if not mentally after some time. This may not be true for casual smokers who only smoke it say like once a week. But I'm taking about people who have fallen into the trap of smoking it quite frequently, on an almost daily basis.

Anyway, I would strongly recommend staying away from it entirely. Trust me, you won't have missed a thing! You are much better off learning to meditate and get your highs naturally. Marijuana is truly nothing more than a crux for lazy people who don't want to bother learning how to meditate properly.

You can actually achieve much greater altered states of consciousness through meditation than you can through smoking pot, and having done that through meditation will actually bring you greater health and mental clarity rather than the opposite. So stay away from the grass, it's just a cop out for people who have no discipline.



I haven't read any detailed books on the Laws of Attraction, but I have watched several videos on it, and I've read information on the web. From my point of view, as I see it, there are many differing opinions on it (just like everything else), and so you need to take any information with a grain of salt.

From my point of view there does seem to be some conflicting idea associated with the Law of Attraction.

One is the idea that we attract everything that comes into our lives. Well, if you watch seminars on how to actually use the law of attraction you'll see that this conflicts with this idea.

How so?

The idea behind the Law of Attraction (as I understand it), is that you must fulfill certain criteria in order to invoke the law. This is taught as a process that goes something like the following:

1. Intent and Desire

You must first have a sincere intent and desire to manifest what it is you want.

This is something that both Witchcraft and the Law of Attraction have in common. They both feel that you must have sincere Intend and Desire in order to manifest anything. However, I personally feel that this truly goes hand-in-hand with step three.

2. Communication

You must make your desire known to your "higher-self", your "God", the universe, or however you think of the higher power.

Everything I've ever seen on the Law of Attraction suggests that this is a requirement. It doesn't matter how you think of the higher power just that you believe in it. And if you aren't willing to believe in it, then you clearly aren't going to attempt to communicate with it. (I personally feel this part could be reduced to the "power of Belief).

Some people fell this step may actually be skipped because they simply don't believe it is necessary to have any ideas of what the 'higher power' might be, or even that there is one. And the reason follows:

A huge part of the communication is through visualization. Everything I've ever heard about the Law of Attraction demands that you visualize what you want to manifest. It is through this visualization process that what you wish to manifest is communicated to the higher power.

So some people believe that visualization is all that is necessary. No formal 'recognition' of any higher power is actually required. It could be your own self that is doing it, they believe. Of course, your own 'higher self' is an acceptable concept of a higher power in the Law of Attraction. The higher power seeks no egotistical recognition as any particular deity.

I feel that this visualization process to communicate to the higher power is extremely comparable to witchcraft. Witchcraft also believes in a higher power, and that the way to communicate with the higher power is through visualization and symbols. Symbols are the visual communication of language. Symbols, and visualization are at the heart of witchcraft.


3. Emotional Projection

Everything I've learned about the Law of Attraction suggests that emotions are important. You must FEEL passionately about what you'd like to manifest. This is paramount in everything that I've ever heard about the Law of Attraction. This actually goes hand-in-hand with step one. You can hardly have true Intent and Desire, if you aren't already emotionally passionate about something.

So I see this as just harping on the same concept. Although, it is true that you can be passionate about something and have no intention of manifesting it for whatever reason. Perhaps laziness, procrastination, or simply a disbelief that it can happen may be holding you back! Remember step #2 demands that you believe it can happen! You're not going to ask for it to happen if you don't believe that asking will do any good! So belief is also important to the communication process.

In any case, it is the emotions that you send out into the universe linked strongly to the visualization of what you'd like to manifest that causes the manifestation to come to pass.

This basic process seems to be where Witchcraft and the Law of Attraction have a lot in common.

However, the precisely philosophies may different. Well, first off, Witchcraft itself has a huge range of philosophies. I was just reading last night about how Witchcraft is as much an art as it is a science. And the reason for this is because each individual witch truly has their own version of witchcraft. However, they all appear to follow a similar science of casting spells. The process goes along the very basic lines that I've described above (which goes along with the Law of Attraction).

However, some people who are associated with the Law of Attraction try to go further. They claim that everything that comes into our lives we attracted whether we meant to or not!

I personally feel that this is a totally unfounded conclusion.

Especially considering the steps that they have laid out concerning how to use the Law of Attraction. They claim that it requires Intent, Desire, Communication, and Emotional Involvement.

Well, that certainly doesn't fall in line with a nice happy positive-thinking girl getting raped. When did she have the intent to get raped? When did she visualize or communicate a desire to be raped? When did she express Emotional Projection of getting raped?

Do you see the problem?

If the proponents of the Law of Attraction have laid out and identified a specific sequence of things that must be achieved in order to attract something into your life, then it's ludicrous to turn around and claim that everything that comes into your life you've attracted. Where's there reasoning to back up such a claim?

I can see it abstractly, as you have eluded to in the OP:



Abstractly speaking if you're always in a bad mood and thinking negative thoughts then you will attract negativity. Conversely if you are always upbeat and positive then you will attract positive things.

However, this just totally blows away the concept that we are responsible for attracting everything into our lives.

I'm sure everyone has heard stories of the wonderfully 'bubbly-spirited' girl who always had a smile on her face and did wonderful things for everyone around her. The whole room would light up when she entered.

But today that's her obituary after she had been brutally raped and murdered.

Where do the proponents of the "Law of Attraction" get off, claiming that this wonderfully positive girl attracted that rape and murder to herself.

Clearly there's a flaw in their philosophy. They would all do better to just scrape their New Age approach to witchcraft, and just go back to the original traditions of the shamans and witches.

Clearly their conclusion that we attract everything into our lives is totally off the mark. They've learned how to cast spells, and now they think they are philosophers.

I think the original traditions of Witchcraft are more reasonable.

That's a personal opinion of course.

And stay away from the pot!

I'll make it short:

In the moment I'm attracted to a tub of ice cream, no wonder I'm freezing

James I hope I didn't imply that I smoke pot! I am 40 and never smoked once. I can't even stand the smell of cigerattes. Most of all I just don't want to be a bad influence to my daughter, let alone health reasons to go with that.

I just know that I have been told 4 x thus far that you can get the same effects by smoking pot instead of doing all that meditation. Of course I don't believe it.

Concerning the Law of Attraction like you said it can be interpreted in many ways ironically. What you say is true that controlling what will happen in the next hour can be achieved for oneself, but that a incident that could change your life abruptly cannot. Sounds logical to me for I cannot prevent incidents if I so happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

In the video "The Secret" it says otherwise that one can even control such things as car accidents of no fault of your own or to avoid a fist fight if someone tried to harm my daughter.

It does conflict with each other like you say.

I guess if I could control the mind of an individual this would maybe true, but how many people do you know can control minds

but again maybe a sixth sense can be used to where one can sense danger ahead of time making one avoid having such a tragedy happen to you.

For example: I have heard how a loved one says, it is not good to drive the car today. I think there will be a accident on the street you will drive. So the loved one doesn't drive the car and 30 minutes later a accident happens on that street.

Is this a coincidence or is it a sixth sense?

Don't mind me I was reading the thread clarvoyance and occults that Jeannie posted. It said that we may have had a sixth and seventh sense at one time.

The problem I see with The Law of Attraction is this…

The basic mechanism is described like this: you send something out into the universe, and the universe sends something back in response.

So the purpose is to get the universe to give you something. Hence the term “attract” – “to cause to draw near”.

In other words, the whole thing depends on the universe giving you what you want. Unfortunately, the logic of this leads one right back to the conclusion that you really don’t create your own reality at all, but are dependent upon the universe to provide it for you.

Now, note that this process requires that you send something out. But in order to do that, you must create something to send.

So if you must create something in order for this process to work, why not just create what you want instead of depending on the universe to give it to you?

That would truly be creating your own reality.

No. I don't believe that either. Not for one second.

I've done both. I've smoked Pot, and I've learned to meditate.

They are not the same by far!

Anyone who thinks they are is necessarily ignorant of one or the other or both.

However, having said that, I must add that everyone who tries to meditate may not be successful.

It may require much practice, and dedication.

There are people who will say, "Well, I've done mediatation and it didn't do anything for me!"

All I can figure is that they didn't truly enter into a meditative state. They just went through motions that didn't truly work for them and they thefore they conclued that meditation has no value.

It's pretty hard to argue with people like that. And probably not even worth arguing with them.

All I can say is that, for me personally, mediation is way different from smoking pot and much BETTER.

I see your logic.
But how is it then, that when we are in good form, let's call it happy, other people around us seem to be happier, too.
There clearly must be some truth in it

I agree

This is a very good observation Sky.

It is true that many proponents of the Law of Attraction are also proponent of an 'observer-created' reality.

And you're right, if they have the power to just create things via thought, why don't the just do it directly instead of asking the universe to do it for them!

This is precisely where Witchcraft differs from the Law of Attraction.

Witchcraft is a belief in "Elemental Magick". That is to say that the elements are involved in the creative process.

So in the truest philosophy and 'science' of witchcraft, it makes perfect sense to cast your wishes and desires out into the unvierse for the universe to manifest them.

Witchcraft believes that there is an 'out there' out there.

Witchcraft is the art of transformation of what already exist.

In witchcraft you never 'create' anything from scratch. All you really do is call upon things to be tranformed. To change.

This truly is an entirely different concept from what The Law of Attraction is attempting to say.

Witches beleive in Elemental Magick. The magick of tranformation.

So they work with existing energies and existing manifestations (objects).

The proponents of the Law of Attraction tend to downplay the need for "raw materials".

But witchcraft basically demands raw materials to work with. Witchcraft is "Elemental Magick", a belief that nature can be transformed via physic willpower AND the application of specific techniques of tranformation.

It's psychic alchemy really.

It's methodical, and can indeed be made into a 'scientific method' of sorts.

However, a large part of that method include, Intent, Desires, Communication, and Emotional Energy.

So you can't just go through the steps without these ingredients and say, "Hey it didn't work, it's not science."

Well, science can't measure things like intend, desire, and emotions, so in that sense it can never be 'science' in the strictest sense.

It's only 'science' in the sense that it can be made into a recipe.

It's just that the ingredients of the recipe are beyond the reach of science.

How do you scientifically measure emotion, desire, and intent?

But yes, Sky, you are right!

Witches don't CREATE anything. They transform things. They are wizards of alchemy.

So witchcraft truly is quite a bit different from the Law of Attraction in many ways.

I think the Law of Attraction has the recipe of witchcraft down, but they don't truly understand it.

It's like a bunch of kids getting a chemistry set. They understand how to make two clear solutions then when poured together will make a blue solution. But they have no clue why it turned blue.

That's the way it is with the Law of Attraction. They have dicovered the basic recipe of spellcraft, but they don't truly understand how or why it works.

They need to turn to the witches for the answer to that.

I understand what you're saying and there's not realy any conflict. I just didn't take the reasoning all the way to it's conclusion

The fundamental postulate is that we can create changes in the physical universe through thought (or intention or will or choice or decision or whatever you want to label it).

The apparency is that something goes out from us, and something comes back from the universe.

My position is that what comes back is merely a reflection of what we sent out. That is, we actually do get back exactly what we put out. Not because it is being created by something else and sent to us, but because we are simply percieving what it is we sent out.

It's not something that is created by another and sent to us. It is what we created ourselves and sent out.

In the example you mention about people being happier around a happy person, the happy person creates happiness in themselves and sends that happiness out. It directly affects others causing happiness to manifest in them. The observation then is of the happiness of others as created by oneself. Bottom line, the happy person did, in fact, cause the happiness in the other people by creating happiness and sending it out to those people. Thus, he created the reality of happy people.

I say attraction needs no law

Same here. I smoked weed (and sold it) for several years. It only served to relax me and make me feel somewhat calm. Calmer than I was normally at least. It had a sedating effect on me which is not the case with everyone. It also intensified colors and the tastes of certain foods.

I’m not sure if it would have enhanced meditation or spiritual awakening because I was never in the frame of mind to try anything along those lines while I was stoned. Instead I was more preoccupied with flipping the TV channels and giggling hysterically at episodes of "Gilligan's Island."

You think that's how it works?



Everything in the universe is already yours, all you need to learn is how to receive it. Everything that you can imagine exists and is yours for the asking. The Universe is simply waiting for you to ask.



Reality is manifested. You, as spirit already manifested it.



The only thing you send out are vibrations, the only thing you get back are vibrations. This is a reality of vibrations.

Like frequencies attract other like frequencies. That is the law of attraction.

Thoughts and feelings are vibrations. Pictures and images are vibrations. Matter is made up of vibrating particles.

You are intricately part of that which is this reality. Everything you need to construct or attract anything you want in your experience is already here.

If you want to know what your are attracting into your reality right now, just take a look around you. There it is. You manifested that reality.

Do you live in the amazon jungle? A New York apartment? A house in the forest? A jail cell? A box in the alley? You asked for and manifested that.

Could one say that vibrations is nothing more then energy? And if yes what is exactly energy? Is it that smaller of an atom? I ask for I really want to know how the law of attraction works and how to apply to it.

Everything in the Universe is energy (and information.)

If you want to learn how to apply the law of attraction I would recommend Esther and Jerry Hicks books "The Law of Attraction" and "Ask and It is Given."

They have more books, but those are the ones to start with.

As far as the question "What is energy" I don't know. I am sure there is a scientific definition for it. I have a feeling for what it is, but there is no word for it.

jb

Fortunately you don't need to know how it works.

All you need to do is know how to do magick John.

There are tons of books out there with instructions.

I've suggested Penczaks books to you. They most certainly are step-by-step instruction books. They aren't just books on mumbo jumbo philosophy. They are a HOW-TO guide completely with exercises.

But I'm sure there are other how-to books out there as well.

You may find something you like better.

Ruth suggested the Penczak books to me, and I'm totally happy with them.

I'm not saying that they are the best, or anything like that. I only know that they are very nice. And they are definitely step-by-step instructions if that's what you are seeking.

That's all I know.

I do know that there are tons of philosophy books out there that will ramble on-and-on about these things and never give you any actaul step-by-step lessons or advice.

If you're seeking step-by-step lessons, all I know to do is point you to Penczak's Temple Series.

It's oriented toward "Witchcraft", but it's the same process that the people who preach the Law of Attraction are claiming to understand.

If you want something that is more focused on the Law of Attraction and is also a step-by-step guide I can't help you because I don't know of any such books that actually contain step-by-step lesson plans.

Sorry.

Not that its really all that important John but the text book definition of "energy" in the physical world is the ability to do work or to cause change.

Science has no clue what energy is.

All science can tell you is how energy behaves.

Science can't tell you what a ball is either.

All it can tell you is how balls bounce.

Science doesn't explain what anything is. Science just sticks with explaining how things behave.

Period.

Some people will argue with this on a superfical level, claiming that science can indeed tell use what a ball is (i.e. it's made of rubber or whatever)

But that's truly superficial becasue in the end, science can't say what rubber is.

Other than to explain it as the behvaior of standing waves of energy that we call molecules.

But what was energy again????

Science doesn't know!

They only know something of how it behaves, and they don't even have that down pat.

That's cool.

A witch must be energy then becasue a witch can cause change.