Topic: Nanotechnology ~ Blurring Science and Fantasy
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Tom4Uhere

Fri 02/17/17 12:36 PM

Nanotechnology is a real science that may someday become a practical application for everyone. Artificial Intelligence and Supercomputers are a reality that stands to open new doors for actual technology. With this in mind, lets take a look at our current genre categories and see how this new technology might blur the lines between science fiction, fantasy and horror.

With advanced nano-tech and nano-assemblers, we may be able to someday construct anything atom by atom. Gene splicing and embryo generation will be controlled at the atomic level. It is even reasonable to think that new amino acid strains might be developed creating new forms of life. The possibilities are endless when construction is in the atomic playground.

Imagine a world with a special room filled with Utility Fog and a supply of base material. You tell the AI controller what you want to create and in a few minutes, hours or days you have the fully rendered creation right there in front of you. Built atom by atom it is solid, real and if it is organic,very much 'alive'.

From the point of storytelling this scenario could merge the genres and morph it into its own genre. Based on expanded scientific theories it would be science fiction. But the story might explore creating a creature or a villain or a magical staff. What would you call a walking stick that is constructed of nanites and is controlled by a hidden control panel? With its own nano-AI you tap in a preset code and the nanites build a Balrog or create a personal force field. All you would need is a fancy robe and a pointy hat.

Imagine a world, a real future, 1000 years from now. I doubt it will take that long but just imagine for a minute that nanotechnology reaches its intended goal. Werewolves are real, anyone can build anything anytime. Force fields can be constructed and you can walk on the sea floor while a nanite force field holds back the water. People can live on the moon with nothing more than a nanite skin for protection. City ships are built from asteroid material and are traversing the galaxy with hundreds if not thousands of people asleep in a nano-constructed AI controlled stasis. Our bodies stay young and vital with lifespans that reach into millennium. We can heal instantly and morph our appendages at will into any structure we require. Using materials found within our solar system a habitat/energy collector encircles the Sun as we harness the power of a star. For entertainment we game in reality. Fighting monsters and creatures that have not even been dreamed of yet. Our dreams and nightmares materialize before us under our full control.

Atomic inspection of fossils allows us to recreate living extinct flora and fauna. Minute mineral differences are mapped and whole DNA chains are assembled by association. Baseline organic structures from other planets are expanded upon and mutated to create life from compounds found through-out the solar system. New plants and animals emerge. Mars is terraformed.

The possibilities stagger the mind and it is all based on current science.
Its like Stephen King writing Star Trek based on Wizards of the Coast.

My father was born in 1912. Imagine that as a child he saw someone put a chunk of food in a box and tap a sequence on the outside and in a few minutes out comes fully cooked food that is all hot & steamy?
To him that would be magic - to us that is a microwave oven.

We are on the way to the technology of exploiting nano-assemblers. Imagine for a moment that you see a pool of grey liquid inside a chamber. The door is closed and you start to see movement that quickens at a steady pace. Before long, there is a table where the liquid once was. Is that magic?

I believe that Magic is relative to intelligence. Just because we don't understand how something can be doesn't prohibit the fact that it can be.

Dragons, gnomes, elves, orks, fairies, pixies and the like. Surely those are the defining marks of a work of Fantasy?
Well, We all know about gene manipulation. Who is to say that those creatures don't exist or cannot be created to exist?
Look at the Dumbo Octopus, the Armadillo or any large insect. Again I use Nano-Technology to unlock the improbable.
Combining Gene Manipulation and Nano-Tech might someday yield a fire-breathing dragon or a elven princess. Who knows what the future holds? Technology can blur the lines between Fantasy, Science Fiction & Science Fact.

This topic is to explore the science of nano-technology; the theories, possibilities and consequences of the science; resources and examples of the possibilities and fantasy applications for entertainment purposes.
I'll even include some short fiction I have written about it.
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Fri 02/17/17 12:54 PM



http://e-drexler.com/d/06/00/EOC/EOC_Table_of_Contents.html

Years ago I read this complete book and it opened my mind to what could be done with nano-tech if the right science comes to futrition.
Drexler has a pretty good method to his writing that is easily understood.

As nanotechnology moves beyond reliance on proteins, it will grow more ordinary from an engineer's point of view. Molecules will be assembled like the components of an erector set, and well-bonded parts will stay put. Just as ordinary tools can build ordinary machines from parts, so molecular tools will bond molecules together to make tiny gears, motors, levers, and casings, and assemble them to make complex machines.


~~~they will let us build almost anything that the laws of nature allow to exist. In particular, they will let us build almost anything we can design - including more assemblers. The consequences of this will be profound, because our crude tools have let us explore only a small part of the range of possibilities that natural law permits. Assemblers will open a world of new technologies.


Assemblers, disassemblers, and nanocomputers will work together. For example, a nanocomputer system will be able to direct the disassembly of an object, record its structure, and then direct the assembly of perfect copies, And this gives some hint of the power of nanotechnology.


Since nanotechnology lends itself to making small things, consider the smallest person-carrying spacecraft: the spacesuit. Forced to use weak, heavy, passive materials, engineers now make bulky, clumsy spacesuits. A look at an advanced spacesuit will illustrate some of the capabilities of nanotechnology.

Imagine that you are aboard a space station, spun to simulate Earth's normal gravity. After instruction, you have been given a suit to try out: there it hangs on the wall, a gray, rubbery-looking thing with a transparent helmet. You take it down, heft its substantial weight, strip, and step in through the open seam on the front.

The suit feels softer than the softest rubber, but has a slick inner surface. It slips on easily and the seam seals at a touch. It provides a skintight covering like a thin leather glove around your fingers, thickening as it runs up your arm to become as thick as your hand in the region around your torso. Behind your shoulders, scarcely noticeable, is a small backpack. Around your head, almost invisible, is the helmet. Below your neck the suits inner surface hugs your skin with a light, uniform touch that soon becomes almost imperceptible.

You stand up and walk around, experimenting. You bounce on your toes and feel no extra weight from the suit. You bend and stretch and feel no restraint, no wrinkling, no pressure points. When you rub your fingers together they feel sensitive, as if bare - but somehow slightly thicker. As you breathe, the air tastes clean and fresh. In fact, you feel that you could forget that you are wearing a suit at all. What is more, you feel just as comfortable when you step out into the vacuum of space.

The suit manages to do all this and more by means of complex activity within a structure having a texture almost as intricate as that of living tissue. A glove finger a millimeter thick has room for a thousand micron-thick layers of active nanomachinery and nanoelectronics. A fingertip-sized patch has room for a billion mechanical nanocomputers, with 99.9 percent of the volume left over for other components.

In particular, this leaves room for an active structure. The middle layer of the suit material holds a three-dimensional weave of diamond-based fibers acting much like artificial muscle, but able to push as well as pull (as discussed in the Notes). These fibers take up much of the volume and make the suit material as strong as steel. Powered by microscopic electric motors and controlled by nanocomputers, they give the suit material its supple strength, making it stretch, contract, and bend as needed. When the suit felt soft earlier, this was because it had been programmed to act soft. The suit has no difficulty holding its shape in a vacuum; it has strength enough to avoid blowing up like a balloon. Likewise, it has no difficulty supporting its own weight and moving to match your motions, quickly, smoothly, and without resistance. This is one reason why it almost seems not to be there at all.

Your fingers feel almost bare because you feel the texture of what you touch. This happens because pressure sensors cover the suit's surface and active structure covers its lining: the glove feels the shape of whatever you touch - and the detailed pattern of pressure it exerts - and transmits the same texture pattern to your skin. It also reverses the process, transmitting to the outside the detailed pattern of forces exerted by your skin on the inside of the glove. Thus the glove pretends that it isn't there, and your skin feels almost bare.

The suit has the strength of steel and the flexibility of your own body. If you reset the suit's controls, the suit continues to match your motions, but with a difference. Instead of simply transmitting the forces you exert, it amplifies them by a factor of ten. Likewise, when something brushes against you, the suit now transmits only a tenth of the force to the inside. You are now ready for a wrestling match with a gorilla.

The fresh air you breathe may not seem surprising; the backpack includes a supply of air and other consumables. Yet after a few days outside in the sunlight, your air will not run out: like a plant, the suit absorbs sunlight and the carbon dioxide you exhale, producing fresh oxygen. Also like a plant (or a whole ecosystem), it breaks down other wastes into simple molecules and reassembles them into the molecular patterns of fresh, wholesome food. In fact, the suit will keep you comfortable, breathing, and well fed almost anywhere in the inner solar system.

What is more, the suit is durable. It can tolerate the failure of numerous nanomachines because it has so many others to take over the load. The space between the active fibers leaves room enough for assemblers and disassemblers to move about and repair damaged devices. The suit repairs itself as fast as it wears out.

Within the bounds of the possible, the suit could have many other features. A speck of material smaller than a pinhead could hold the text of every book ever published, for display on a fold-out screen. Another speck could be a "seed" containing the blueprints for a range of devices greater than the total the human race has yet built, along with replicating assemblers able to make any or all of them.
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Fri 02/17/17 12:56 PM

The 'Side Effect' (Something I Wrote inspired by Nano-Tech)

Its been 3 generations since the medical nanites were made mandatory. People stopped dying. Even if someone were to be decapitated simply placing their head near their body initiated auto repair. Children still grew into adults but stopped aging at their physical prime. Below is some of the unexpected side effects of this wonderful technology.

Bathrooms became obsolete.
The nanites break down body waste into its atomic components and reuses the atoms to maintain the body. Houses and buildings started being built without toilet facilities and many older homes had theirs removed.

Medical facilities became obsolete.
Nobody ever got sick anymore. Injuries were healed or prevented by the nanites immediately. Schools and universities closed worldwide. Pharmaceutical companies closed down and there was no need for doctors, nurses or and support personnel.

Funeral homes & cemeteries became obsolete.
Since nobody was dying anymore, there was no need for burial facilities.

Riskier lifestyles became the norm.
Since nanites controlled the pain threshold and make instantaneous body repairs, people were able to perform death defying acts on a regular basis. Personal protection devices and methods became obsolete. Not only could someone walk into a burning building they could jump from an airplane without a chute and work in space without a suit. Volcanologists would drink a solution and the nanites formed a heat barrier around their bodies allowing them to stand in volcano magma.

Reproduction became an lucrative business.
For two people to reproduce, both had to have the nanites reprogrammed to allow their bodies to manufacture the sperm & eggs. Worldwide population growth slowed to a trickle. Children were born with their own nanites and pregnancy only lasted for 5 months. Regional reprogramming facilities sprang up and prospered from the costs.

Explosion of arts.
With longer life came an increase in artistic talent. From drawing to dancing, expressionism became the new drive in people's lives. Great display halls were built and the music recording business failed. Each region had an army of performers that toured to represent them. World domination switched from a power base to a talent base. It was a great honor to be chosen to represent your region and it became the most coveted job in the world.

Explosion of technology.
With the increased creativity there was also a technology explosion. Space and ocean based facilities sprang up at an incredible rate. The Moon and Mars were populated and a new base is being built on Titan supported by the Jupiter/Saturn Mining Corporation. A great space port was constructed at the equator in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans. Cities sprang up in Antarctica and on the North Pole. High speed magnetic transportation systems were built that allowed worldwide travel in hours.

Personal farming became the standard.
Since the nanites only needed raw materials and very little of those, there was no need for a large food supply. People started eating once per month. Kitchens were removed from homes. Restaurants and grocery stores became obsolete. The nanites in saliva allowed you to consume anything your body needed by just placing your mouth against it. Don't worry, human nanites have protection protocols so you can still kiss your honey.

Wars became obsolete.
Since bodies heal instantaneously war and assaults no longer had any affect. Nanites could morph your body to form a hard protective shell or separate your parts to avoid excessive damage. The world's military forces were disbanded. Weapons were recycled.

Prisons became obsolete.
Using the reprogramming industry, deviant behavior was reprogrammed. Brain damage was repaired and personality disorders were diagnosed and therapy became the new society measure. Huge institutions grew worldwide and each community had their own team of therapists.

Religions became obsolete.
Aside from the few that chose to keep their religions there was no longer a reason to believe in an afterlife. Churches closed and all the drama, fighting and racism related to the opposing views died shortly after. People became content with life and pursued active productive lifestyles in harmony.

The world population is 9,864,799,331. There are 161,800 on the Moon and 78,064 on Mars. Another 50,270 in the outer reaches. We average 700 new souls per year and ZERO deaths.
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Fri 02/17/17 01:13 PM

Nanobots are a prediction of how the Earth might end, the self replicating ones...

(from wiki)

Grey goo (also spelled gray goo) is a hypothetical end-of-the-world scenario involving molecular nanotechnology in which out-of-control self-replicating robots consume all matter on Earth while building more of themselves,[1][2] a scenario that has been called ecophagy ("eating the environment", more literally "eating the habitation").[3] The original idea assumed machines were designed to have this capability, while popularizations have assumed that machines might somehow gain this capability by accident.

Self-replicating machines of the macroscopic variety were originally described by mathematician John von Neumann, and are sometimes referred to as von Neumann machines or clanking replicators. The term gray goo was coined by nanotechnology pioneer Eric Drexler in his 1986 book Engines of Creation.[4] In 2004 he stated, "I wish I had never used the term 'gray goo'."[5] Engines of Creation mentions "gray goo" in two paragraphs and a note, while the popularized idea of gray goo was first publicized in a mass-circulation magazine, Omni, in November 1986.[6]

Imagine such a replicator floating in a bottle of chemicals, making copies of itself…the first replicator assembles a copy in one thousand seconds, the two replicators then build two more in the next thousand seconds, the four build another four, and the eight build another eight. At the end of ten hours, there are not thirty-six new replicators, but over 68 billion. In less than a day, they would weigh a ton; in less than two days, they would outweigh the Earth; in another four hours, they would exceed the mass of the Sun and all the planets combined — if the bottle of chemicals hadn't run dry long before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo
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Fri 02/17/17 01:35 PM


Nanobots are a prediction of how the Earth might end, the self replicating ones...

(from wiki)

Grey goo (also spelled gray goo) is a hypothetical end-of-the-world scenario involving molecular nanotechnology in which out-of-control self-replicating robots consume all matter on Earth while building more of themselves,[1][2] a scenario that has been called ecophagy ("eating the environment", more literally "eating the habitation").[3] The original idea assumed machines were designed to have this capability, while popularizations have assumed that machines might somehow gain this capability by accident.

Self-replicating machines of the macroscopic variety were originally described by mathematician John von Neumann, and are sometimes referred to as von Neumann machines or clanking replicators. The term gray goo was coined by nanotechnology pioneer Eric Drexler in his 1986 book Engines of Creation.[4] In 2004 he stated, "I wish I had never used the term 'gray goo'."[5] Engines of Creation mentions "gray goo" in two paragraphs and a note, while the popularized idea of gray goo was first publicized in a mass-circulation magazine, Omni, in November 1986.[6]

Imagine such a replicator floating in a bottle of chemicals, making copies of itself…the first replicator assembles a copy in one thousand seconds, the two replicators then build two more in the next thousand seconds, the four build another four, and the eight build another eight. At the end of ten hours, there are not thirty-six new replicators, but over 68 billion. In less than a day, they would weigh a ton; in less than two days, they would outweigh the Earth; in another four hours, they would exceed the mass of the Sun and all the planets combined — if the bottle of chemicals hadn't run dry long before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo


Great addition to the topic, mightymoe. A very real danger if controls are not put in place at an early date. If I recall correctly one of the foes in the Stargate TV series is replicators as well. Grey Goo is sickeningly scary but an AI replicator is scary, scary.

Have you ever heard of the Von-Neumann Probe theory?
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/V/vonNeumannprobe.html
A von Neumann machine able to move over interstellar or interplanetary distances and to utilize local materials to build new copies of itself. Von Neumann probes are named after the Hungarian-born American mathematician John von Neumann who, among many other achievements, was the first to develop a mathematical theory of machines that can make exact copies of themselves.

Origin of the idea

The potential advantages of using self-replicating robot spacecraft for galactic exploration was discussed by Chris Boyce in his book Extraterrestrial Encounter: A Personal Perspective (Chartwell Books, New York, pp. 113-124, 1979).1 Boyce, in turn, has said he got the idea from a chapter entitled "The Likelihood of the Evolution of Communicating Intelligences on Other Planets" (ch. 4) written by Michael A. Arbib in the 1974 Ponnamperuma-Cameron book Interstellar Communication: Scientific Perspectives (pp. 63-66). Arbib wrote an even earlier paper, in 1969, in which he discusses self-replicating automata (SRA) based on von Neumann and Burk's seminal paper published in 1966.


Michio Kaku has a quirky video about Von-Neumann Technology which is based in nano-tech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN-FU8VPoOc

With all the benefits of nanotechnology offers it stands to reason that humans will make allowances to prevent the grey goo scenario.

Even Drexler commits a chapter on the dangers of this technology in
ENGINES OF DESTRUCTION (Chapter 11)
http://e-drexler.com/d/06/00/EOC/EOC_Chapter_11.html

Among the cognoscenti of nanotechnology, this threat has become known as the "gray goo problem." Though masses of uncontrolled replicators need not be gray or gooey, the term "gray goo" emphasizes that replicators able to obliterate life might be less inspiring than a single species of crabgrass. They might be "superior" in an evolutionary sense, but this need not make them valuable. We have evolved to love a world rich in living things, ideas, and diversity, so there is no reason to value gray goo merely because it could spread. Indeed, if we prevent it we will thereby prove our evolutionary superiority.
The gray goo threat makes one thing perfectly clear: we cannot afford certain kinds of accidents with replicating assemblers.


We can build them with counters (like those in cells) that limit them to a fixed number of replications. We can build them to have requirements for special synthetic "vitamins," or for bizarre environments found only in the laboratory. Though replicators could be made tougher and more voracious than any modern pests, we can also make them useful but harmless. Because we will design them from scratch, replicators need not have the elementary survival skills that evolution has built into living cells.

Further, they need not be able to evolve. We can give replicators redundant copies of their "genetic" instructions, along with repair mechanisms to correct any mutations. We can design them to stop working long before enough damage accumulates to make a lasting mutation a significant possibility. Finally, we can design them in ways that would hamper evolution even if mutations could occur.
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Fri 02/17/17 01:41 PM
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Fri 02/17/17 01:45 PM

how the Earth might end


http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

Exit Mundi is a website that explores different world ending scenarios. Grey Goo is among them. Fun reading if death and destruction is on your mind.
They even have forums to discuss the various topics.
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Fri 02/17/17 01:46 PM
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Fri 02/17/17 01:56 PM

Nanotechnology is a real science that is in practical use right now.

http://www.nanotech-now.com/current-uses.htm
Nanocomposites
A plastic nanocomposite is being used for "step assists" in the GM Safari and Astro Vans. It is scratch-resistant, light-weight, and rust-proof, and generates improvements in strength and reductions in weight, which lead to fuel savings and increased longevity. And in 2001, Toyota started using nanocomposites in a bumper that makes it 60% lighter and twice as resistant to denting and scratching.
Impact: Will likely be used on other GM and Toyota models soon, and in other areas of their vehicles, as well as the other auto manufactures, lowering weight, increasing milage, and creating longer-lasting autos. Likely to impact repair shops (fewer repairs needed) and auto insurance companies (fewer claims). Will also likely soon be seen everywhere weight, weather-proofing, durability, and strength are important factors. Expect NASA, the ESA, and other space-faring organizations to take a serious look, soon, which will eventually result in lower lift costs, which will result in more material being lifted into space.

Nanocrystals
"Nanocrystals are an ideal light harvester in photovoltaic devices. (They) absorb sunlight more strongly than dye molecules or bulk semiconductor material, therefore high optical densities can be achieved while maintaining the requirement of thin films. Perfectly crystalline CdSe nanocrystals are also an artificial reaction center, separating the electron hole pair on a femtosecond timescale. Fluorescent nanocrystals have several advantages over organic dye molecules as fluorescent markers in biology. They are incredibly bright and do not photodegrade. Drug-conjugated nanocrystals attach to the protein in an extracellular fashion, enabling movies of protein trafficking. (They) also form the basis of a high-throughput fluorescence assay for drug discovery." © Sandra Rosenthal, Assistant Professor of Chemistry, The University of Chicago. Rosenthal Group

Nanoparticles
Sunscreens are utilizing nanoparticles that are extremely effective at absorbing light, especially in the ultra-violet (UV) range. Due to the particle size, they spread more easily, cover better, and save money since you use less. And they are transparent, unlike traditional screens which are white. These sunscreens are so successful that by 2001 they had captured 60% of the Australian sunscreen market.
Impact: Makers of sunscreen have to convert to using nanoparticles. And other product manufactures, like packaging makers, will find ways to incorporate them into packages to reduces UV exposure and subsequent spoilage. The $480B packaging and $300B plastics industries will be directly effected.

Nanostructured Materials
Kodak is producing OLED color screens (made of nanostructured polymer films) for use in car stereos and cell phones. OLEDs (organic light emitting diodes) may enable thinner, lighter, more flexible, less power consuming displays, and other consumer products such as cameras, PDAs, laptops, televisions, and other as yet undreamt of applications.

Nanoclays and Nanocomposites
Nanocomposite Coatings
Nanotubes
Nanocatalysts
Nanofilters

Not even mentioning the Gazillion applications in medical fields.

http://www.understandingnano.com/medicine.html

The assembler breakthru is coming. When I don't know but it is coming.
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Fri 02/17/17 02:00 PM

The Game Room (more fiction by me based on nanotech)

I entered my new game room and sealed the orifice with a swoosh. I walked to the center of the barren room except for the control chair and activated 'The Bubble' and the clear barrier popped into place. The vent beneath me gave a quick swoosh of air and I picked up the control rod. Activating it, I chose a nice relaxing space battle game that allowed me plenty of exploring.

I sat down and the holographic cockpit materialized around me. Outside the bubble the room morphed into a vista of a 3 moon gas giant and a starbase. My readouts indicated I was ready for warp and I depressed the button and the view zoomed into a blur.

My destination was a small planetoid in the Greadeez System. My goal was to reestablish communications and determine why trading had ceased. Sensors determined severe devastation all across the settlements. No radiation signatures detected. A sensor sweep of the system revealed no spacecraft or artificial satellites. Only faint scattered life signs on the surface.

When I landed, the bubble temperature increased slightly and there was a faint smell of decay present. The room morphed into a starport that changed as I walked around. Everything was blown to hell. I could see and smell dead bodies strewn about like a war zone. My control rod holographicly morphed into a pulse rifle. I did a test fire and the kickback was insignificant but I felt the rod get hotter just a little. I saw movement over by a blown out building and ran to investigate. The room changed as I moved. The bubble environment changed as well.

On the speakers in the chair I heard my mom telling me it was time for dinner. I saved my game and hit the end command. This is gunna be great!
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Fri 02/17/17 02:03 PM

History will write that it was Mankind's first megastructure.
Poets and singers will tell the tale of the world's first cultural union.
People will forget the significance and accept it as a normal condition.
It's really quite remarkable...

The Filament is what its called.
Covering the entire planet is a tiny web of conductive nano structure mesh.
It absorbs energy in all forms. From sunlight to movement. Storing the energy within itself.
Energy that can be tapped with a simple RF-type signal.

No more fossil fuel, no more wind turbines, solar panels, batteries or power plants. No more wires, fuel tanks or collectors. No condensers or amplifiers and most important, no maintenance required.
At the sea floor, in the deepest trench to the highest peak of a mountain. A continual covering, absorbing, gathering and releasing. Stretching and growing along our changing planet surface.

Signal range is roughly 9 miles into the air. Abundant, FREE energy.
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Wed 03/22/17 08:50 PM

Nanotechnology is the key to your next generation of HIV drugs.
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Mon 04/03/17 01:11 PM

read a book awhile back simply titled "nano"...mind blower...one thing I can recall is the guy saying at some point we may have a machine where u could place a leaf into it and get a Ferrari...all you have to do is pull an atom here and there rearrange em...somebody built a train out of atoms which runs around a track and even makes stops...yup...here we go meddling with potentially disastrous stuff again
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leotrope

Mon 08/14/17 06:43 AM

Wishes to all Respected members.
What we are today is the efforts of Scientists. About Nanotechnology it's present situation is in peak stage.
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Mon 08/14/17 06:56 AM

cool, soon we can all be Borgs...
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Mon 08/14/17 12:28 PM

place a leaf into it and get a Ferrari

Nanotechnology doesn't create atoms, it merely promises to rearrange the atoms. The Ferrari would either be smaller than the leaf or full size, but hollow.

Its sorta like taking a small block of steel and making a sword. That same small block of steel can't be formed into a full-sized tank - there isn't enough base material.
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mightymoe

Mon 08/14/17 12:32 PM


place a leaf into it and get a Ferrari

Nanotechnology doesn't create atoms, it merely promises to rearrange the atoms. The Ferrari would either be smaller than the leaf or full size, but hollow.

Its sorta like taking a small block of steel and making a sword. That same small block of steel can't be formed into a full-sized tank - there isn't enough base material.


yea, but doesn't different types of matter have different number of atoms? like a piece of steel would have more atoms than a same size piece of wood, because of the density... if something has more atoms than it needs, than it could possibly build something bigger than the input...
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Mon 08/14/17 01:00 PM

The Grey Goo scenario.
Nano-assemblers that convert all atoms to a grey goo.
Air, land, the table, the walls... everything.

Atoms are the building blocks of molecules. The periodic table of elements is not a table of elements as much as it is a table of atom combinations based on the number of electrons.

If a source material is limited to say a leaf, the atoms could form a block of steel but it would still only have the density of a leaf. So that block would either be steel and very small or large but not steel.
If the source material were a block of steel, the atoms could be rearranged to create a very large leaf that had the denisty of that block of steel.

Science assembles molecular constructs - molecular motors, transistors and conductors. These constructs are all limited in size to the number of atoms assembled.

Physicists have constructed the world's smallest magnet composed of only five iron atoms. Its still iron but it is isolated iron from all the other atoms around it.

There is only so much iron in a leaf. There is more iron in a Ferrari than a leaf. The leaf cannot be a Ferrari because there isn't enough base material to make it one.
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mightymoe

Mon 08/14/17 01:13 PM


The Grey Goo scenario.
Nano-assemblers that convert all atoms to a grey goo.
Air, land, the table, the walls... everything.

Atoms are the building blocks of molecules. The periodic table of elements is not a table of elements as much as it is a table of atom combinations based on the number of electrons.

If a source material is limited to say a leaf, the atoms could form a block of steel but it would still only have the density of a leaf. So that block would either be steel and very small or large but not steel.
If the source material were a block of steel, the atoms could be rearranged to create a very large leaf that had the denisty of that block of steel.

Science assembles molecular constructs - molecular motors, transistors and conductors. These constructs are all limited in size to the number of atoms assembled.

Physicists have constructed the world's smallest magnet composed of only five iron atoms. Its still iron but it is isolated iron from all the other atoms around it.

There is only so much iron in a leaf. There is more iron in a Ferrari than a leaf. The leaf cannot be a Ferrari because there isn't enough base material to make it one.
could they build from the Ferrari, since they are rearranging atoms, a big oak tree? there are more atoms in the metal than the tree, because they are closer compacted in the metal? seems the denser anything is, the closer the atoms are together, therefor more atoms in the same space?
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Mon 08/14/17 02:02 PM

True but the tree would be metal and plastic. Rearrangement can change the molecules but it doesn't change the atoms, just moves them.
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Mon 08/14/17 02:12 PM

Imagine you had nanites inside you that are under control by your will. You smash your hand and you can direct the nanites to rebuild your hand.
You want your hand to be a hammer, you direct them and the nanites reconstruct your hand into a hammer. But its a hammer made of bone not metal.
If you lay your hand on an anvil, the nanites have access to metal and incorporates that metal into your hammer hand, now your hand is a hammer made of metal or a hammer made of bone with metal in it.
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mightymoe

Mon 08/14/17 02:26 PM


True but the tree would be metal and plastic. Rearrangement can change the molecules but it doesn't change the atoms, just moves them.
you have the Wal-Mart brand of nanobots, the good ones can change the electron configuration and turn lead into gold..