Topic: Is it necessary to believe in God? or is it not necessary t
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iam_resurrected

Sun 04/29/18 11:31 AM




It took me a long time to recognize, but I am certain of it:

It is not possible to CHOOSE to believe or to not believe.

For anyone.

We can only DISCOVER what we do or do not believe.

That's part of why it is called your FAITH.

When you believe something because someone has proved it to you logically, that is not FAITH.

Our host says well, that he knows his faith in his heart. That is exactly what I mean.

In a way, then, the answer to the title question is, for the individual believer, yes. They MUST believe, because they do.



Not because someone tells them to.

This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.


there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf :thumbsup:


Mr iam_resurrected,
you have revealed God's faith. yea, as you said to God, it is believed. I am a Muslim and I believe in God as you tell me. /// there is a saying like this: God's mercy is like 100 pieces. One part is for this world / universe. With this one piece, the mother looks at the child, the sheep looks at the lamb, the trees give fruit, the cloud gives rain, the planets move in a certain plane. as. as. the remaining 99 parts are forgiving people in the other world. so he is very, very compassionate.
waving





it is my honor to meet you, sir :thumbsup:

I have several true friends who follow the Muslim way of life via the Qu'ran. and although I am a follower of Yahweh, I find it a true blessing in which my friends and myself believe. we have went back to point of father Abraham. and from the [Qu'ranfor - Hebrew Bible - Christian Bible] it is here we know of Abraham, and all of his sons Ishmael, Isaac, Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. and from those sons we are where we are now in the path of Abraham's faith and walk in God.

it really does amaze me how close the scriptures of the Qu'ran and Hebrew Bible relate. both emphasize and express Abraham's view of the true ONE GOD!! it may appear as 2 separate views from how the translations read. but in reality, they speak of the SAME GOD!!

and it is from this point of understanding, between my Muslim friends and myself, that we find our spiritual connection :thumbsup:
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newsworthy

Sun 04/29/18 12:57 PM


I don't think it is necessary in an absolute way to believe in God. It is good to be open to read about various faiths to see if it either appeals to yourself or not.
I used to be a Christian but now feel better to be an atheist.
It is down to what philosophy helps you the best in life at a personal level.
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iam_resurrected

Sun 04/29/18 02:08 PM



I don't think it is necessary in an absolute way to believe in God. It is good to be open to read about various faiths to see if it either appeals to yourself or not.
I used to be a Christian but now feel better to be an atheist.
It is down to what philosophy helps you the best in life at a personal level.





it is not about being self sufficient here. can the things I do in life be done without belief? of course they can. but, it's about testing those things. what I mean, say to God, I can do this but I also know the results will be just getting by. I therefore desire to see it done with your help to see just how good this can actually be beyond my own knowledge and capabilities.

this is the difference between believing and not. just because I can do something on my own does not mean God does not exist. it is allowing God to be involved in the things I am capable of doing in order to see a difference. and when there is a difference, there is absolute proof there is a God!!
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IgorFrankensteen

Sun 04/29/18 02:34 PM



It took me a long time to recognize, but I am certain of it:

It is not possible to CHOOSE to believe or to not believe.

For anyone.

We can only DISCOVER what we do or do not believe.

That's part of why it is called your FAITH.

When you believe something because someone has proved it to you logically, that is not FAITH.

Our host says well, that he knows his faith in his heart. That is exactly what I mean.

In a way, then, the answer to the title question is, for the individual believer, yes. They MUST believe, because they do.

Not because someone tells them to.

This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.








there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf :thumbsup:


This is an excellent example of exactly my points. You ALREADY believed in god. You DISCOVERED that you believed in godly intervention, as well. You were not PERSUADED to this from a state of disbelief, or of lack of belief.
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iam_resurrected

Sun 04/29/18 03:45 PM




It took me a long time to recognize, but I am certain of it:

It is not possible to CHOOSE to believe or to not believe.

For anyone.

We can only DISCOVER what we do or do not believe.

That's part of why it is called your FAITH.

When you believe something because someone has proved it to you logically, that is not FAITH.

Our host says well, that he knows his faith in his heart. That is exactly what I mean.

In a way, then, the answer to the title question is, for the individual believer, yes. They MUST believe, because they do.

Not because someone tells them to.

This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.








there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf :thumbsup:


This is an excellent example of exactly my points. You ALREADY believed in god. You DISCOVERED that you believed in godly intervention, as well. You were not PERSUADED to this from a state of disbelief, or of lack of belief.








:thumbsup:

ironically, I come from a lineage of preachers/evangelists/teachers. as I was growing up in this atmosphere, I heard what was being said but never applied any of it. then through the process of life with my grandfather dying and my dad last July, I no longer had those intangibles to fall back on. no one was there to answer my tough questions and to offer guidance from a position of being concerned for my overall well being. I found myself being alone.

and what I discovered, was what my grandfather and dad had already learned and was trying to teach me. which was I was not alone. I figured out that my own dad lost this when his dad [my grandfather] died. and he also discovered that he was not alone. like the passing of the torch, I learned the great infinite knowledge my grandfather and dad possessed was now at my own access. and that was because they came to a point in life where they had to give it to God, and give Him a chance to be real in their own lives.

I once was rather an effective note taker in college. I was soaking up things all of the time. but now, being at a point where it is just me and God, the knowledge I am learning could never be taught in a university format. but it was specifically within this moment of my life [49 years old], that I finally understood what my grandfather and dad was trying to teach me.

and that basic simple lesson was this: try God. put Him to the test. because you really are alone until you actually know Him!!
Edited by iam_resurrected on Sun 04/29/18 03:47 PM
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BlakeIAM

Mon 04/30/18 06:19 PM

Those who come to God , come by FAITH.
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Queenie

Mon 04/30/18 06:22 PM

Depends on one's beliefs I suppose
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Queenie

Mon 04/30/18 06:22 PM

Depends on one's beliefs I suppose
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Jason_in_tx

Mon 04/30/18 11:08 PM

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Edited by Jason_in_tx on Mon 04/30/18 11:09 PM
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Jason_in_tx

Mon 04/30/18 11:08 PM

No having an imaginary friend isn't required. Listen to George Carlin and worship the sun.
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Mrmxb

Tue 05/01/18 02:37 PM





It took me a long time to recognize, but I am certain of it:

It is not possible to CHOOSE to believe or to not believe.

For anyone.

We can only DISCOVER what we do or do not believe.

That's part of why it is called your FAITH.

When you believe something because someone has proved it to you logically, that is not FAITH.

Our host says well, that he knows his faith in his heart. That is exactly what I mean.

In a way, then, the answer to the title question is, for the individual believer, yes. They MUST believe, because they do.



Not because someone tells them to.

This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.


there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf :thumbsup:


Mr iam_resurrected,
you have revealed God's faith. yea, as you said to God, it is believed. I am a Muslim and I believe in God as you tell me. /// there is a saying like this: God's mercy is like 100 pieces. One part is for this world / universe. With this one piece, the mother looks at the child, the sheep looks at the lamb, the trees give fruit, the cloud gives rain, the planets move in a certain plane. as. as. the remaining 99 parts are forgiving people in the other world. so he is very, very compassionate.
waving





it is my honor to meet you, sir :thumbsup:

I have several true friends who follow the Muslim way of life via the Qu'ran. and although I am a follower of Yahweh, I find it a true blessing in which my friends and myself believe. we have went back to point of father Abraham. and from the [Qu'ranfor - Hebrew Bible - Christian Bible] it is here we know of Abraham, and all of his sons Ishmael, Isaac, Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. and from those sons we are where we are now in the path of Abraham's faith and walk in God.

it really does amaze me how close the scriptures of the Qu'ran and Hebrew Bible relate. both emphasize and express Abraham's view of the true ONE GOD!! it may appear as 2 separate views from how the translations read. but in reality, they speak of the SAME GOD!!

and it is from this point of understanding, between my Muslim friends and myself, that we find our spiritual connection :thumbsup:


Mr iam_resurrected,
"it is my honor to meet you, sir"

You're welcome.
If I meet you I will be honored.
///
from the words of courtesy given by the holy book. the humility of the high character of the sacred book is understood from your words.
///
the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran, these three books were filled with the same fountain. 3 books give the same smell.
it has to be like that. because there is 1 God. only 1 God.
///
Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.
///
According to Islamic belief, Jesus did not die. It's in the sky. Jesus will come again near the doomsday. and govern the world with justice. ... as long as Jesus will remain in the world. then it will be the doomsday. Muslims have to believe this.
///
Muslim clerics can make mistakes. Christian clergy can make mistakes. Jewish clergy can make mistakes. but God never makes mistakes.
///
I could explain the hope through translation.
///
Good night sir.
waving


Edited by Mrmxb on Tue 05/01/18 02:38 PM
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BigD9832

Wed 05/02/18 06:03 AM


It is only necessary to believe in God if you wish to communicate with Him.

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Queenie

Wed 05/02/18 06:06 AM


No having an imaginary friend isn't required. Listen to George Carlin and worship the sun.


Now Jayyson we know the only thing you worship is the female anatomy. But seriously bae we've been over this before.
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ReserveCorp

Wed 05/02/18 02:11 PM


Not true here. We were born and raised Christian. My aunt is whatever...not Christian. So is my sister. My belief isn't from my upbringing. I am old enough to decide for myself


I think it IS generally true, that the "true religion" often happens to be in the area you are born in. People are raised Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or Muslim and tend to remain that way. Not everyone, for sure, but generally.
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ReserveCorp

Wed 05/02/18 02:16 PM

Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.


Not likely.
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ReserveCorp

Wed 05/02/18 06:27 PM

It is only necessary to believe in God if you wish to communicate with Him.


bigd is right, if you wish to communicate with Him, but on the other hand, God can communicate with you whether you believe in Him or not.
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iam_resurrected

Thu 05/03/18 07:15 AM






It took me a long time to recognize, but I am certain of it:

It is not possible to CHOOSE to believe or to not believe.

For anyone.

We can only DISCOVER what we do or do not believe.

That's part of why it is called your FAITH.

When you believe something because someone has proved it to you logically, that is not FAITH.

Our host says well, that he knows his faith in his heart. That is exactly what I mean.

In a way, then, the answer to the title question is, for the individual believer, yes. They MUST believe, because they do.



Not because someone tells them to.

This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.


there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf :thumbsup:


Mr iam_resurrected,
you have revealed God's faith. yea, as you said to God, it is believed. I am a Muslim and I believe in God as you tell me. /// there is a saying like this: God's mercy is like 100 pieces. One part is for this world / universe. With this one piece, the mother looks at the child, the sheep looks at the lamb, the trees give fruit, the cloud gives rain, the planets move in a certain plane. as. as. the remaining 99 parts are forgiving people in the other world. so he is very, very compassionate.
waving





it is my honor to meet you, sir :thumbsup:

I have several true friends who follow the Muslim way of life via the Qu'ran. and although I am a follower of Yahweh, I find it a true blessing in which my friends and myself believe. we have went back to point of father Abraham. and from the [Qu'ranfor - Hebrew Bible - Christian Bible] it is here we know of Abraham, and all of his sons Ishmael, Isaac, Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. and from those sons we are where we are now in the path of Abraham's faith and walk in God.

it really does amaze me how close the scriptures of the Qu'ran and Hebrew Bible relate. both emphasize and express Abraham's view of the true ONE GOD!! it may appear as 2 separate views from how the translations read. but in reality, they speak of the SAME GOD!!

and it is from this point of understanding, between my Muslim friends and myself, that we find our spiritual connection :thumbsup:


Mr iam_resurrected,
"it is my honor to meet you, sir"

You're welcome.
If I meet you I will be honored.
///
from the words of courtesy given by the holy book. the humility of the high character of the sacred book is understood from your words.
///
the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran, these three books were filled with the same fountain. 3 books give the same smell.
it has to be like that. because there is 1 God. only 1 God.
///
Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.
///
According to Islamic belief, Jesus did not die. It's in the sky. Jesus will come again near the doomsday. and govern the world with justice. ... as long as Jesus will remain in the world. then it will be the doomsday. Muslims have to believe this.
///
Muslim clerics can make mistakes. Christian clergy can make mistakes. Jewish clergy can make mistakes. but God never makes mistakes.
///
I could explain the hope through translation.
///
Good night sir.
waving









i like your interpretation of the Qu'ran :thumbsup:

and i definitely would be interested in your translation. i find it fascinating how the Muslim, Jew, and Christian are on different paths seeking the SAME GOD!!
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iam_resurrected

Thu 05/03/18 07:24 AM


Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.


Not likely.






you do know the urantia's angels were demons, right?

the urantia is straight from the pits of hell!!

i knew you would follow us here from DH. after all, God allows us all to a have a thorn in our side. and your sci-fi urantia and point of view definitely ensures true believers must know the WORD of GOD like the back of their hand. because your interpretation is like Satan deceiving Eve in the GARDEN when he told Eve, "God surely won't kill you."

and where is Eve today?

DEAD!!

She became cursed and died when she could have lived forever without dying!!
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Mrmxb

Thu 05/03/18 11:19 AM

Hello,

I can not tell you that I understand the story. but I can say I understand a little bit.
///
"She became cursed and died when she could have lived forever without dying!!"


According to Islam, God had punished them when Adam and Eve were eating banned fruit. and he would have taken them out of heaven. then he brought them to the earth. then Adam and Eve repent. God accepted their repentance and forgave them. and now they are clean / without sin. sinless man in two.

Eve is cursed / not bad. she is our mother and a very clean woman.
///

according to Islam
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ReserveCorp

Thu 05/03/18 03:06 PM



Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.


Not likely.


you do know the urantia's angels were demons, right?

the urantia is straight from the pits of hell!!

i knew you would follow us here from DH. after all, God allows us all to a have a thorn in our side. and your sci-fi urantia and point of view definitely ensures true believers must know the WORD of GOD like the back of their hand. because your interpretation is like Satan deceiving Eve in the GARDEN when he told Eve, "God surely won't kill you."

and where is Eve today?

DEAD!!

She became cursed and died when she could have lived forever without dying!!


You know virtually nothing about Eve or about The Urantia Book. You haven't read it, remember? And it was you who "followed us here."