no, but I am declaring the hypocrisy of insisting that being able to make a living wage is not a given, but those who cant also should not have a way to get through for their families.. You dont want taxpayers looking after childrens welfare, but you wont hold employers to wages that allow parents to either.

Men want different women with different things. successful marriages are also rare, but we cant stop tauting their significance quite enough....

women are not mind readers, men should take care of their kids, their choice not to is in NO WAY the fault of the woman or reason to 'punish' her, let alone her children.

I am not using the word 'entitled' its usually the privileged who wear it like a badge to justify the pedestals they keep themselves on.

I am using the word DECENT. DECENT people in DECENT society would not GRIPE about programs looking after the welfare of those who are less fortunate or needy, and especially not of kids.

I am using the word HEALTHY. Healthy societies understand HUMANS need a balance. All play is not good for structure, and all work is not good for stress and health in general. So yeah, DECENT People would not gripe even when someone poor and on 'taxpayers' dime occasionally does something more than make sure they appear 'poor enough' to be worthy of the 'taxpayer dime'

No self respecting person wants someone with no empathy for anyone else or who sits on a pedestal feeling they are 'more deserving' of others either.


its all a matter of perception.

but please continue with all the ways y'all can find to explain about the inferior mothers popping out kids all alone that they cant take care of all alone, and their deficient characters ..

I have no problem with a wage increase. But I also think people having children should get a job where they will make more and have benefits. Don't have kids until they have done that. Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers living with parents, retired people wanting spending money, or bored house wives.

Id love anti welfare protestors to spend more time with THAT sentiment to get better wages so that all these single parents or deadbeat dad families could EARN whats needed to get by.

Manufacturing jobs pay well but you have to work and almost always requires ot. They are usually almost always hiring.

in areas where there are manufacturing facilities perhaps, but much less of America includes those types of areas anymore....

It's up to the individual to find decent employment. People move for jobs all the time. Atl is expecting large growth during the next few years because people are coming for jobs. It's about personal responsibility.

people in poverty with children do not just 'move' for jobs. It is about responsibility, and reality, and opportunity, and ability, and resources.

This is why they should stop having kids. It's always an excuse to never do any better.

I did.
I tried raising/supporting my family in NW Pennsylvania.
Had a degree, 10 years experience, certifications and a substanial toolbox.
I was shackled to public assistance. X couldn't work because we couldn't afford a sitter and I was forced to work as much overtime I gould get, just to pay bills. The jobs available were min wage or just above minimum wage.

I moved to a different location with better paying jobs and was completely off assistance within 3 months doing the same work I was doing in PA.
I went progressively up the finacial ladder for the next 17 years till my body stopped working right.

I made the move without serious research and the specific job I relocated for was not available (an old friend lied to me). I was stuck with a family with no job in a strange land but I didn't give up - I reboubled my efforts and I never saw failure as an option.
It was about responsibility, and reality, and opportunity, and ability, and resources.

no more than its an 'excuse' to act superior

people do what they can do, and not everyone has the IDENTICAL options to choose from ...

you may not have used the word "entitled" but your post describes it to a tee.




Who said life was fair? I want programs that help those who actually need it vs the able bodied loser who chooses to do squat and expect us to pick up the slack.

Are you denying that fraud and abuse dont happen?
Do you know the story about Angel adams and her 15 kids?





I have no empathy for able bodied person on welfare, let me make that clear I HAVE ZERO, NADA, ZIP and BUPKIS empathy for able bodied people on welfare and welfare cheats.





I found Angel adams for one, Im sure there are more out there.

you cant tell me that fraud doesnt exist .

wonderful for you too.

fraud exists in every system

it doesnt have squat to do with why welfare is important or why its nonsense to make character assumptions about people based on economic status or attendance to a seminar or ten dollar movie.

or why its insane to place value on human life that is based squarely on such ASSUMPTIONS about character based solely on economic status or attendance to a seminar or ten dollar movie.

But maybe all those needy folks can just strive to get up on the pedestals of all those SUPERIOR TYPES repeating debasing stereotypes about them

so they too can nauseatingly and determinantly remind them of all the ways they could be as worthy and wonderful as the SUPERIOR types if they just emulated their ways .and had better character.




...

miss harmony, Im going to pull a Chris Tucker on you from the movie Rush hour.

There was a scene with him Tucker and Jackie Chan where he says

"do you understand the words coming out of my mouth"

same thing here,

Do you understand the words that Im typing?

I said Able bodied people on welfare, NOT PEOPLE WHO NEEDS IT.

By the way do you know the story about Desmond Hatchett?
if not here is a link

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/desmond-hatchett-30-kids_n_1528850.html
what do you think should be done?

I do look down on able bodied people who are lazy and defraud the system , I think they are scum

yep laziness is 'scum'


too bad I and no one else knows if someone is 'lazy' when armed with no more information than that they are on assistance or have gone to a movie or a protest.

Having this attitude is what keeps blacks from succeeding. The race card is getting old. Blacks have the same opportunities as whites.

LMAO

YOU introduce a tangent about blacks and then have nerve to talk about a 'race card' .... too much.

I just cant even with y'all.

haaaa 'THIS' is what is keeping blacks from succeeding ...LOL

personally I believe if one is on welfare for more than 5 years there is something wrong.

They are either lazy or inept.

I bet there are posters who were on welfare but they worked their way out of it, I wonder why?

I noticed you avoided answering my original question, should welfare recipients go on vacation on the tax payers dime?

well, at least there are finally qualifiers to work with

I would agree that welfare for a continuous five years would indicate an issue.

most on welfare (SNAP/TANF) are on from anywhere 3 months to four years.

to your question, it depends upon the details, MANY people have other income but get 'taxpayers' dime to make up the different, so if the combination of those two sources can be BUDGETED to splurge for a cheap vacation, why not.