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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 10:18 AM





whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'


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mightymoe

Mon 07/09/18 10:28 AM






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?
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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 10:30 AM







whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?


doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.
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diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 10:33 AM



no one said anything about LIVING in BH or DETROIT, I said being ASSAULTED there.


The victim of assault in DETROIT, isnt saying' oh, I wish I had been assaulted in BH instead' ...lol

assault is assault, danger is danger, whatever the location in which it is happening....

assaults happen less in Beverly hills vs Detroit

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Beverly-Hills-California.html

Beverley hills ^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Do I need to put up the stats for Detroit?


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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 10:41 AM




no one said anything about LIVING in BH or DETROIT, I said being ASSAULTED there.


The victim of assault in DETROIT, isnt saying' oh, I wish I had been assaulted in BH instead' ...lol

assault is assault, danger is danger, whatever the location in which it is happening....


assaults happen less in Beverly hills vs Detroit

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Beverly-Hills-California.html

Beverley hills ^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Do I need to put up the stats for Detroit?






I will repeat, AN ASSAULT IS AN ASSAULT wherever it happens. comparing an ASSAULT to an ASSAULT is NOT comparing 'apples to oranges'

sorry if english seems like 'word games'...
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diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 10:45 AM





I will repeat, AN ASSAULT IS AN ASSAULT wherever it happens. comparing an ASSAULT to an ASSAULT is NOT comparing 'apples to oranges'

sorry if english seems like 'word games'...


A black teen assaulting someone In Beverley hills may not get him killed by police

A black teen assaulting someone in Detroit may get him killed by police.

That was my point.

No one said an Assault isnt an assault.

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Easttowest72

Mon 07/09/18 10:46 AM





would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?





gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.


Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




Someone who is drunk and rowdy is completely different than a shooting. The drunk guy couldn't do much damage. The hoodrats had a gun and already used it once. What makes anyone think they wouldn't use it again.
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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 10:49 AM






would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?





gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.


Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




Someone who is drunk and rowdy is completely different than a shooting. The drunk guy couldn't do much damage. The hoodrats had a gun and already used it once. What makes anyone think they wouldn't use it again.



not really, an assault is an assault, whether one is drinking or sober, and an assault, drunk or sober, is more threatening than a person RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU, will ever be, especially when there is gun involved that the person assaulting you might be able to reach and use against you.





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mightymoe

Mon 07/09/18 10:59 AM








whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?


doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.
it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different
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diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 11:02 AM

so you are comparing a drunk azzhole to hood rats now?

I think cops would rather face a drunk azzhole taking a pot shot at them vs facing a hood rat involved in a prior shooting.

Lets be honest lets go by your logic, if that drunk white guy was involved in a shooting earlier do you think the officer would respond the way he responded?

In jurisdiction where there isnt many homicides or gang activity police react differently,but if there was a shooting Im sure the police would take no chances and if he came out of the car running he would have been shot too.

Edited by diserli_gears on Mon 07/09/18 11:10 AM
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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:03 AM









whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?


doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.
it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different


perhaps they shouldn't be. Are firefighters in the dry mountains excused from being as prepared as firefighters in cities?

Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.
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mightymoe

Mon 07/09/18 11:08 AM










whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?


doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.
it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different


perhaps they shouldn't be. Are firefighters in the dry mountains excused from being as prepared as firefighters in cities?

Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.
we're talking psychology, not how to put out a fire...apples and oranges, remember?
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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:10 AM











whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?


doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.
it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different


perhaps they shouldn't be. Are firefighters in the dry mountains excused from being as prepared as firefighters in cities?

Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.
we're talking psychology, not how to put out a fire...apples and oranges, remember?


and psychology should be a part of police screening and testing

if you are going to be patrolling a high crime area, you should have the psychology not to be more impulsive due to a pre set 'fear' of that circumstance.


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Easttowest72

Mon 07/09/18 11:16 AM







would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?





gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.


Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




Someone who is drunk and rowdy is completely different than a shooting. The drunk guy couldn't do much damage. The hoodrats had a gun and already used it once. What makes anyone think they wouldn't use it again.



not really, an assault is an assault, whether one is drinking or sober, and an assault, drunk or sober, is more threatening than a person RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU, will ever be, especially when there is gun involved that the person assaulting you might be able to reach and use against you.








The difference is one had a deadly weapon and the other one didn't.
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diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 11:17 AM



Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.


you are comparing security guards at Brinks to Walmart

how many guards at Walmart have been killed compared to Brinks Security guards???

You dont get it, cops in different jurisdiction ( even though they receive the same training) reacts differently .

As Mightymoe said, Cops in Watts react differently to cops in Beverly hills.

I dont see many or if any hoodrats in Beverly hills so saying assaults are different well it depends on the assault too.

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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:17 AM








would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?





gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.


Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




Someone who is drunk and rowdy is completely different than a shooting. The drunk guy couldn't do much damage. The hoodrats had a gun and already used it once. What makes anyone think they wouldn't use it again.



not really, an assault is an assault, whether one is drinking or sober, and an assault, drunk or sober, is more threatening than a person RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU, will ever be, especially when there is gun involved that the person assaulting you might be able to reach and use against you.








The difference is one had a deadly weapon and the other one didn't.


not true, one was running away UNARMED, the other was struggling with a person who HAD A WEAPON that they could have gained control of ....
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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:20 AM


Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.


You really cant see the difference? wow.

you are comparing security guards at Brinks to Walmart

how many guards at Walmart have been killed compared to Brinks Security guards???

You dont get it, cops in different jurisdiction ( even though they receive the same training) reacts differently .

As Mightymoe said, Cops in Watts react differently to cops in Beverly hills.

I dont see many or if any hoodrats in Beverly hills so saying assaults are different well it depends on the assault too.



some things are common sense, shouldnt require being 'seen'

If someone is being PHYSICALLY threatening, and actually making PHYSICAL CONTACT with you while you have a gun, it is the same THREAT, if it happens in BH as it is if it happens in DETROIT.


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Easttowest72

Mon 07/09/18 11:22 AM









would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?





gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.


Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.




Someone who is drunk and rowdy is completely different than a shooting. The drunk guy couldn't do much damage. The hoodrats had a gun and already used it once. What makes anyone think they wouldn't use it again.



not really, an assault is an assault, whether one is drinking or sober, and an assault, drunk or sober, is more threatening than a person RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU, will ever be, especially when there is gun involved that the person assaulting you might be able to reach and use against you.








The difference is one had a deadly weapon and the other one didn't.


not true, one was running away UNARMED, the other was struggling with a person who HAD A WEAPON that they could have gained control of ....


He dropped his gun in the vehicle and ran. He should have sat still with his hands where the policeman could see them. He would still be alive today. He was badass shooting when nobody shot back. Then he got chicken and dropped his gun and ran. It became real and less like the vidoes he had idioled.
Edited by Easttowest72 on Mon 07/09/18 11:24 AM
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mightymoe

Mon 07/09/18 11:24 AM












whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.



sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges







no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'





how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?


doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.
it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different


perhaps they shouldn't be. Are firefighters in the dry mountains excused from being as prepared as firefighters in cities?

Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.
we're talking psychology, not how to put out a fire...apples and oranges, remember?


and psychology should be a part of police screening and testing

if you are going to be patrolling a high crime area, you should have the psychology not to be more impulsive due to a pre set 'fear' of that circumstance.




While I don't disagree, it is what it is...maybe they should try not running...
Edited by mightymoe on Mon 07/09/18 11:26 AM
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Easttowest72

Mon 07/09/18 11:26 AM





would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?





He was just involved in a shooting. The community was in danger from that thug. Nobody knew that his wus *** had ditched his gun.

gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.


Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.






whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.