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msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:29 AM

would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?

gee what a shock ,again with the 17 year old honour student hanging out with thugs involved in a prior shooting being shot and killed while running away,

I wonder what took you so long to bring that up again? good Lord.

Let me say that slower for you

It depends on the jurisdiction the police are in and what the crime they are investigating.

You dont seem to grasp that there are bad people in the world, and since we are talking about America and lets talk about the hoodrats that kills police or assaults police.

Cops dont take chances anymore, we are going round and round, Im going to say the numb-nut honour student hung out with thugs that shot someone earlier, and you're going to say he was a kid running for his life blah blah blah.

Sorry its B.S and you know it.

the driver of the car wasn't shot, if the driver of the car was shot along with that 17 year old, I would possibly agree that it was excessive force.

Hey if he wants to hang out with hood rats well there are consequences and it this case it was fatal.

whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.

Someone who is drunk and rowdy is completely different than a shooting. The drunk guy couldn't do much damage. The hoodrats had a gun and already used it once. What makes anyone think they wouldn't use it again.

not really, an assault is an assault, whether one is drinking or sober, and an assault, drunk or sober, is more threatening than a person RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU, will ever be, especially when there is gun involved that the person assaulting you might be able to reach and use against you.

The difference is one had a deadly weapon and the other one didn't.

not true, one was running away UNARMED, the other was struggling with a person who HAD A WEAPON that they could have gained control of ....

He dropped his gun in the vehicle and ran. He should have sat still with his hands where the policeman could see them. He would still be alive today. He was badass shooting when nobody shot back. Then he got chicken and dropped his gun and ran. It became real and less like the vidoes he had idioled.

once again, repeating it does not make it true, nor does it show that the cop at that time would know ANY of that for sure

in fact, it was the OTHER Passenger who did the shooting. There is no evidence of the dead teens prints on those weapons as of yet, and being chicken is not a capital offense.

diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 11:29 AM

so Miss harmony

should the cops carry cookies and taser guns when stopping a car full of hood rats?

the cops should offer cookies when approaching the vehicle of those suspected of being involved with shootings?

Or maybe they should call in the k9 unit and sick the dogs on the them that runs, but what happens if the dog gets shot?

Or is that part of the job for the dog.

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:31 AM

sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)

https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges

no, not apples to apples

is an assault in beverly hills somehow not the same as an assault in detroit? If Im carrying a gun, is someone struggling with me in Beverly Hills less of a threat than someone struggling with me in Detroit? SHould I make that assumption, really?

The action is the same, regardless of the location, so its not 'apples to oranges'

how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?

doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.

it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different

perhaps they shouldn't be. Are firefighters in the dry mountains excused from being as prepared as firefighters in cities?

Are security guards for brinks trucks excused from being as prepared as security gaurds at Walmart. The job description does not get excused or watered down based on location.

we're talking psychology, not how to put out a fire...apples and oranges, remember?

and psychology should be a part of police screening and testing

if you are going to be patrolling a high crime area, you should have the psychology not to be more impulsive due to a pre set 'fear' of that circumstance.

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While I don't disagree, it is what it is...maybe they should try not running...

maybe they should, and maybe cops should be held to a higher standard of reasoning, than teens and suspects ...

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:33 AM

why such a ridiculous extreme? No. Im not for extremes on EITHER side (extreme trust or extreme panic)

they should investigate, issue BOLOs, find those that run and pick them up for arrest safely and LEGALLY when they ARE finally located

or even (GASP AND AWE) maybe give chase.

police training probably offers a few options between Cookies or Killing.

Edited by msharmony on Mon 07/09/18 11:34 AM

diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 11:38 AM

chasing hood rats involved in a shooting

okay, sounds great

In your perfect world they should all give chase and if they are shot at oh well part of the job right, that is what they signed up for right?

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:43 AM

well, if only cops had a crystal ball they could defer to to prove and show that that suspect was dangerous or had shot someone, maybe ASSUMING their life dispensable would make more sense

but until then, yes, I do believe running suspects should be pursued instead of shot dead while running away.

I also think they should be investigated if pursuit does not work and LOCATED for a safe and legal arrest.

I know,, dreams,,,, right?

diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 11:44 AM

I also wish that hood rats would stop violent crimes too

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:46 AM

I also wish that hood rats would stop violent crimes too

me too, then we wouldnt need cops

but as long as we do, I wish they would do their jobs wiser and safer.

diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 11:55 AM

most cops are actually good people doing a difficult and thankless job

Decades ago being a cop was respected, today the left demonizes them.

But its funny when you need them you call them right?

Try that , its works for all citizens.

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 11:57 AM

let me clarify I wish that those who simply shoot first would do their job wiser and safer. Is that better?

Yes. I would call cops and prey I got those who do their job wisely and safely.

Cops have no job without people not obeying laws, so thats kind of irrelevant in a discussion of what should be expected of cops IN THEIR JOB.

diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 12:11 PM

I wished we lived in a perfect world, except we dont
Reality time
Hood rats commit crime, cops are not mind readers
you are focusing on a few cops shooting a few suspects like that 17 year old, and a few others.

Most of us looks at the entire picture not just snippets .

Oh the kid ran, well maybe if the kid didnt hang out with thugs who shoots people he might be still alive today.

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 12:52 PM

just like you focus on who he 'hung out' with... right?
not that he wrote of being scared, feeling hopeless,
not that he was staying on top of his school and volunteering,

just who he 'hung out' with ... based with nothing but the knowledge of who he was with THAT night and no information as to why or how it came to be on that night ....

Easttowest72

Mon 07/09/18 12:54 PM

Looks like his parents would have taken some consern about who he was hanging out with.

diserli_gears

Mon 07/09/18 12:58 PM

Yes, Im focused on who he hung out with, because you are known by the company that you keep

Feeling of being scared, every one has fears what makes him so special?

most law abiding honour students dont hang out with thugs

I dont know if he comes from a two parent family or a single mom, but they did a piss poor job in educated him about the dangers of hanging with certain types of people.

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 12:59 PM

Looks like his parents would have taken some consern about who he was hanging out with.

Being concerned and having complete control of it may be different thnings if he had only one mom who felt obliged to be at 'a job' and not in his back pocket 24/7.

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 01:02 PM

what made him special was IN SPITE of the fear, he was doing what was in his control to do SAFELY to try to make a better life for himself....

judging by his writing, his mom did what she could to adequatey instill the 'danger' but a scared kid is a scared kid wherever they live and bullies and bigger badder kids have a way of intimidating that teens dont often know how to counter or do anything about....

mightymoe

Mon 07/09/18 01:03 PM

how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?

doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.

it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different

we're talking psychology, not how to put out a fire...apples and oranges, remember?

While I don't disagree, it is what it is...maybe they should try not running...

maybe they should, and maybe cops should be held to a higher standard of reasoning, than teens and suspects ...

cops are human, just like everyone else...holding them to a higher standard is just nonsense, they have (IMO) the toughest job in the world...every decision they make could impact one or many other lives..the guy they don't shoot goes and kills a family in a robbery, or is the next Nobel peace prize winner... How do they know?

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 01:05 PM

how many assaults are there in Beverly hills compared to let's just say watts?

doesnt matter how many. what matters is WHEn it happens, its the same danger and threat wherever it HAPPENs at.

it does matter...2 murders a year in BH vrs 200 in watts...the police in those cities are completely different

we're talking psychology, not how to put out a fire...apples and oranges, remember?

While I don't disagree, it is what it is...maybe they should try not running...

maybe they should, and maybe cops should be held to a higher standard of reasoning, than teens and suspects ...

everyone is human, including criminals, but when one is PAID for a certain job, they are held to a higher standard when it comes to JOB PERFORMANCE.

and adults are GENERALLY held to a higher standard of logic and reason than teens and children

because you DONT know, is why we have INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, the job for the courts, not for the cop and certainly not the sentencing of death ...

Easttowest72

Mon 07/09/18 01:12 PM

Innocent people don't run. Bad things happen to people who are on the wrong side of the law.

msharmony

Mon 07/09/18 01:15 PM

Innocent people don't run. Bad things happen to people who are on the wrong side of the law.

innocent people DO run, if dangerous people are chasing them because they believe they are guilty.

and bad things do happen, in a civilized society that should be determined by a judge and jury though ...

not by an on the spot death penalty by paid servants.

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