I have 3 kids. I never used a job as an excuse to let my kids run wild. You don't work 24/7. Decent parents keep up with there kids and discipline them. Trust me. This shooting wasn't his first crime.

sympathy is something Im not short on at all. That has little to do with someone doing their job though. I feel sorry for any person responsible for taking a life. I dont feel that empathy should mean they are left to do it without correction or reproof though.

I think cops do a job and get paid for it. I respect and appreciate those who do their job well. Its not easy, especially when its done safely and wisely.

well, assumptions are the easiest things in the world to make.

to clarify for those who have not assumed ... all those in the ghetto are not the same, I dont feel the same about all the people in the ghetto

all cops are not the same, I dont feel the same about all cops

all people on welfare are not the same, I dont feel the same about all people on welfare

all black people are not asthetically the same, I dont reel the same about asthetics of EVERY individual in a race.



I tend to form opinions about demographics based on data, or experience, but understand that individuals are also all unique, and I form opinions about the individual based on their individual actions and words

Well, my mom raised 8 by herself.. and she worked as a waitress. ( as countless single Moms have) and you can bet your a&s she kept us on a straight path. She wasn't in our back pocket.. didn't have to be. She taught us right from wrong.

It all starts with the upbringing... or lack of.

kudos for your mom

were you being bullied or intimidated by gang members, were you in a community with rampant drugs or gangs or violence?

In NYC in the early 70's????..... YEAH!! ... white gangs, black, Latin.. even Chinese.. drugs?. On every corner. murders, shootouts, ect, ect. daily occurrence.. and oh yes I forgot... the mob too. Sorry...No excuse for not raising your kids the right way... none at all.

lol.. yeah okay, juicy. Id love to hear about the times as a teen when gang members intimidated or threatened you into doing something and how you handled it , just you, not with seven other siblings or back up.


But it doesnt change that all the right raising in the world cant stop a kid from feeling intimidated by or scared of others.

wowwwww, so because someone didnt grow up in the ghettos means they dont understand pressure from gangs?

In New York city you have so many gangs with connection to organized crime.

I assumed that Greeneyes being white and looking Irish had to defend himself from the Italian Cugines,had to be careful not to cross into the wrong territory you have to deal with the hispanic gangs, chinese gangs all junior league to the big club.

A different type of pressure for sure where things happen and where you can get whacked for being a "rat" and walking into someone turf.

yeah no pressure there.

plus people in NYC was getting whacked for being of an ethnic group vs being in the ghetto where blacks were whacking other blacks

what about that?

I and everyone I grew up with had our share of fights. I won some.. I lost some. so did they. But we were raised not to join gangs. If you did your parents.. would kill you. even though my mother was small in size...she would whip your ***.. for less then that.. and has. And your grandparents would smack you all over the place. you neighbors would turn their noses down at you. You would be a outcast in your own home and neighborhood. A disgrace to your family name. A embarrassment to your ethnic group.

There was no way in the world you would put those colors on..no way.

But that is the difference between some groups.

I assumed that Greeneyes being white and looking Irish had to defend himself from the Italian Cugines,had to be careful not to cross into the wrong territory you have to deal with the hispanic gangs, chinese gangs all junior league to the big club.

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Exactly

fight? did those gangs use guns in these 'fights', were you threatened merely with a beat down or with actual death to you or yours?

what if you lived in a time where not putting the colors on was a literal DEATH, and not just a parent 'whipping' your Butt?


how would your teen mind address or handle that?

different times, different type of community with different RULES and threats ...

Nobody is forced to live in the ghetto. There are modest homes or even trailers in the suburbs/country. It's up to the parents to make sure their kids are safe. The thug probably learned a life of crime at home.

how privileged of you to believe so ...

Who forced them to live there?

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Im sure this mother didnt use it as 'an excuse' for anything either. However, the fact that the kid was not tied down by ropes or on a leash, meant that as long as she is not there WITH him, he was FREE to go and come and be exposed to other people who WERE able to be there WITH him, or around him ....

Trust me. He was just as deserving of life as any other human teen, and concerned with doing what he needed to do to live to see another day, like many teens have the privilege to not be concerned about.

I dont care if it was his first 'crime' or not. He was a teen suspect and not a danger while RUNNING AWAY.

The cop killed him before he killed someone. I don't believe he is as deserving of his life as the life of a law,abiding citizen. He knew what he was headed for. He should have stayed his *** at home or got a damn job. Good ridence. People who grow up in the ghetto, don't know any better. Stealing and shooting is normal to them. A decent life is the suburbs is boring to them. If the live in a safe neighborhood, they will go to the ghetto to fight, -uck, and do drugs.

I am actually basing it in the deceased own teen words:

I am confused and afraid
I wonder what path I will take
I hear that there’s only two ways out
I see mothers bury their sons
I want my mom to never feel that pain
I am confused and afraid

I pretend all is fine
I feel like I’m suffocating
I touch nothing so I believe all is fine
I worry that it isn’t, though
I cry no more
I am confused and afraid

I understand people believe I’m just a statistic
I say to them I’m different
I dream of life getting easier
I try my best to make my dream true
I hope that it does
I am confused and afraid


I dont think the two ways involved being 'beat up'


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wow,....

yes, people choose to raise kids in violence and drugs so they wont be 'bored' ... makes perfect sense