Someone here has said that satan has defiled heaven, and will defile Jerusalem.
Even though I have told him that there is no Bible verse that says satan has defiled Heaven or will defile Jerusalem, he still argues the point.
But there is no need. All he has to do is show the Bible verse, book, chapter number, and verse number to make his point.
So here are some facts about Heaven.
Paul tells us there are three heavens...
CLV 2Cor 12:2 I am acquainted with a man in Christ, fourteen years before this, (whether in a body I am not aware, or outside of the body, I am not aware—God is aware) such a one was snatched away to the third heaven.
The first heaven...
CLV Gen 1:1 In a beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
The second heaven comes after the flood...
CLV Heb 1:10 And, Thou, originally, Lord, dost found the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands.
11 They shall perish, yet Thou art continuing, And all, as a cloak, shall be aged,
12 And, as if clothing, wilt Thou be rolling them up. As a cloak also shall they change. Yet Thou art the same, And Thy years shall not be defaulting.
And destroyed by fire...
CLV 2Cor 5:17
So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: the primitive passed by. Lo! there has come new!
CLV 2Peter 3:10
Now the day of the Lord will be arriving as a thief, in which the heavens shall be passing by with a booming noise, yet the elements shall be dissolved by combustion, and the earth and the works in it shall be found.
The third heaven has yet to come...
CLV Rev 21:1
And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is not more.
satan was never able to defile Heaven...
CLV Rev 12:7 And a battle occurred in heaven. Michael and his messengers battle with the dragon, and the dragon battles, and its messengers.
8 And they are not strong enough for him, neither was their place still found in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, the ancient serpent called Adversary and Satan, who is deceiving the whole inhabited earth. It was cast into the earth, and its messengers were cast with it.
10 And I hear a loud voice in heaven saying, "Just now came the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, for the accuser of our brethren was cast out, who was accusing them before our God day and night.
11 And they conquer him through the blood of the Lambkin, and through the word of their testimony, and they love not their soul, until death.
Michael cast out satan from heaven and conquered him through the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus cleanses.
Heaven was not in any danger of being "defiled."
When Satan and a third of the angels rebelled against God in Heaven, it was DEFILED.
PERIOD.
Hence the New Heaven.
Edited by
BlakeIAM
on Thu 07/26/18 05:35 PM
Lol "facts" about an imginary place..maybe you could give us some facts about unicorns and griffins too...
When Satan and a third of the angels rebelled against God in Heaven, it was DEFILED.
PERIOD.
Hence the New Heaven.
I saw that show, it was pretty good...I think it was on the syfi channel...but it seems all the angels hated humans...it was called Dominion, about all the angels killing the human race...it was a really good show, til it was cancelled... NBC is the worst about just cancelling great programs before they end...
When Satan and a third of the angels rebelled against God in Heaven, it was DEFILED.
PERIOD.
Hence the New Heaven.
I saw that show, it was pretty good...I think it was on the syfi channel...but it seems all the angels hated humans...it was called Dominion, about all the angels killing the human race...it was a really good show, til it was cancelled... NBC is the worst about just cancelling great programs before they end...
actually, I wasn't mocking here, it really was a good show...you should check it out, you might like it...
You make me feel like I’ve been locked out of heaven...for too looooong
From BlakeIAM
When Satan and a third of the angels rebelled against God in Heaven, it was DEFILED.
PERIOD.
Hence the New Heaven.
Again, there is no need to argue. Just post the Book, chapter, and verse.
CLV Rev 21:1 And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is not more.
I don't see any mention of satan or heaven being defiled. Can you point it out?
From mightymoe
Lol "facts" about an imginary place..maybe you could give us some facts about unicorns and griffins too...
The facts I am referring to are what is in the Bible.
Is the word "heaven" in the Bible? Yes. That is a fact.
Michael cast out satan from heaven and conquered him through the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus cleanses.
Heaven was not in any danger of being "defiled."
Why would Jesus have blood at this point ? I would have thought it was only after he became man that He had blood ????
What about the gates.. Do you have to manually open them or is it automatic?
Manual may be a little hard for people who just died.. wouldn't you think?.. So, I'm thinking automatic.. just need confirmation.
From mightymoe
Lol "facts" about an imginary place..maybe you could give us some facts about unicorns and griffins too...
The facts I am referring to are what is in the Bible.
Is the word "heaven" in the Bible? Yes. That is a fact.
yea, and a unicorn has 1 horn...is that a fact? My point is that the only real fact about heaven or god is what you've read, other than that, there aren't any facts unless you been there yourself....
What about the gates.. Do you have to manually open them or is it automatic?
Manual may be a little hard for people who just died.. wouldn't you think?.. So, I'm thinking automatic.. just need confirmation.
St Peter has an Ipad with a remote app...
Edited by
mightymoe
on Fri 07/27/18 08:58 AM
I find it amusing that some of you think the Bible (scripture) explains everything about God in entirety.
If its not written, It cannot be.
From BlakeIAM
When Satan and a third of the angels rebelled against God in Heaven, it was DEFILED.
PERIOD.
Hence the New Heaven.
Again, there is no need to argue. Just post the Book, chapter, and verse.
CLV Rev 21:1 And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is not more.
I don't see any mention of satan or heaven being defiled. Can you point it out?
When Satan and a third of the Angels rebelled against God in Heaven , then yes it was defiled.
Why do you think there will be a new Heaven?
Answer: Because it was defiled through rebellion.
Why do believers go to Paradise and not Heaven?
Answer: Because the new Heaven isn't available at this time, to put it simply.
From mightymoe
yea, and a unicorn has 1 horn...is that a fact? My point is that the only real fact about heaven or god is what you've read, other than that, there aren't any facts unless you been there yourself....
The facts I refer to are what is in the Bible. The word "heaven," for example, is in the Bible. That is a fact. It has nothing to do with unicorns or iPads.
From BlakeIAM
When Satan and a third of the Angels rebelled against God in Heaven , then yes it was defiled.
Why do you think there will be a new Heaven?
Answer: Because it was defiled through rebellion.
Why do believers go to Paradise and not Heaven?
Answer: Because the new Heaven isn't available at this time, to put it simply.
Instead of trying to start a fight, why not just post the Scripture that back-up what you say. Or were you just making this all up?
Prove it.
From mightymoe
yea, and a unicorn has 1 horn...is that a fact? My point is that the only real fact about heaven or god is what you've read, other than that, there aren't any facts unless you been there yourself....
The facts I refer to are what is in the Bible. The word "heaven," for example, is in the Bible. That is a fact. It has nothing to do with unicorns or iPads.
From BlakeIAM
When Satan and a third of the Angels rebelled against God in Heaven , then yes it was defiled.
Why do you think there will be a new Heaven?
Answer: Because it was defiled through rebellion.
Why do believers go to Paradise and not Heaven?
Answer: Because the new Heaven isn't available at this time, to put it simply.
Instead of trying to start a fight, why not just post the Scripture that back-up what you say. Or were you just making this all up?
Prove it.
You seem confused, where in my quoted post is there any hint of trying to "start a fight"?
Oh, that's right there isn't.
Have a nice day.
The use of the word "PERIOD" was a good indication.
But my solution is to post the Scripture that leads you to believe your theories. Instead of arguing them and trying to start a fight.
The use of the word "PERIOD" was a good indication.
But my solution is to post the Scripture that leads you to believe your theories. Instead of arguing them and trying to start a fight.
Using the word period in all capitals is a form of confidence regarding what is being stated, not trying to argue or start a fight as you have stated.
But , by all means carry on.
I see where you present these theories, but I don't see any Scripture to back anything you say up.
I cannot accept anything you say without Scripture.
And I do not understand why you insist on trying to argue your beliefs without the Bible.
Anyone will tell you that when you Post a word in all caps, like "PERIOD," it represents yelling, not confidence.
Why typing in all-caps looks like you're yelling (A brief history)...
By AJ Willingham, CNN
Updated 4:01 PM ET, Mon July 23, 2018
(CNN)It probably feels like second nature to see a block of all-caps type and assume one of a few things:
you're being threatened
you're being yelled at
you're about to fall head-first into a drunken Facebook rant
you're receiving some important news
you're getting a bulletin from the National Weather Service
(or, maybe all five -- in which case, you're in for a bad day)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/all-caps-typography-history-tweets-trnd/index.html
I see where you present these theories, but I don't see any Scripture to back anything you say up.
I cannot accept anything you say without Scripture.
And I do not understand why you insist on trying to argue your beliefs without the Bible.
Anyone will tell you that when you Post a word in all caps, like "PERIOD," it represents yelling, not confidence.
Why typing in all-caps looks like you're yelling (A brief history)...
By AJ Willingham, CNN
Updated 4:01 PM ET, Mon July 23, 2018
(CNN)It probably feels like second nature to see a block of all-caps type and assume one of a few things:
you're being threatened
you're being yelled at
you're about to fall head-first into a drunken Facebook rant
you're receiving some important news
you're getting a bulletin from the National Weather Service
(or, maybe all five -- in which case, you're in for a bad day)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/all-caps-typography-history-tweets-trnd/index.html
I do not care what you can or cannot ACCEPT.
For Heavens sake settle down.
