Topic: Big Bang:A mystery
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mightymoe

Sat 09/08/18 06:06 AM


Big Bang????? Hmmmm is that how the universe was created? What caused that one tiny atom to exist in the first place???? How can something be created from nothing?????? Ultimately the answer God. Science refuses to acknowledge that but the two go hand in hand.
maybe to some...but science and make believe don't go hand in hand...
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Tom4Uhere

Sat 09/08/18 09:41 AM


I'm not convinced the Big Bang ever happened.

I think of it as a type of percolation.
Initially, there was a change from absolute zero to heat.
A point (one dimension) started to move.
That movement caused heat around it.
That heat then caused other points to move.
As the heat slowly rose, by products were formed.
Those by products attempted to solidify and freeze again but there was too much heat moving things around them.
The movement set wave fronts in motion.
Those wave fronts affected other points and the early Universe started to percolate.
As more points percolated they caused matter to start to form.

Fast forward to the present and space is still percolating.
That is why there is no directionality to space's expansion.
That's why we can't backtrack to find the location of said Big Bang.
We don't exist inside an explosion, we exist inside a percolation.
Our reference view is on the wrong scale to see it.
That's why we invent things like Dark Matter and Dark Energy.
That's why there is conflict between Cosmic Anisotropy VS Homogeneity and Isotropy.

If you think about it...
If there was a Big Bang that started it all, we would be inside the explosion. As we move thru time and space, we would see the direction of the explosion as some parts whiz past us and we whiz past other parts but all parts would be moving outward away from the initial explosion.
We would be able to track that movement back towards its source.
What we do see, at the limit of our ability, is that no matter which direction we look, we see galaxies that existed 14 billion years ago.

An explosion in space kinda looks like this...



It has specific structures within it that hint to its initiation point.

Space looks like this (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation)



It is lacking a specific initiation point.

Just like the liquid in a pot of boiling water, there is no track-able initiation point.


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Tom4Uhere

Sat 09/08/18 09:57 AM

The Visible Universe
This map attempts to show the entire visible Universe. The galaxies in the universe tend to collect into vast sheets and superclusters of galaxies surrounding large voids giving the universe a cellular appearance. Because light in the universe only travels at a fixed speed, we see objects at the edge of the universe when it was very young up to 14 billion years ago.
* Number of superclusters in the visible universe = 10 million
* Number of galaxy groups in the visible universe = 25 billion
* Number of large galaxies in the visible universe = 350 billion
* Number of dwarf galaxies in the visible universe = 7 trillion
* Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (3x10²²)



That might look like an explosion to you but to me, it looks like its boiling.
Plus, if you note the location of us (The Virgo Supercluster) you could see how if you shift our view in any direction the view will change but there is no leading edge.
Kinda like being on a ship at sea and as you move along, the horizon changes as you move.

Our understanding is based on the data that reaches us. As distance increases the data we see is from further and further into the past.
We are not looking at the Universe as it is, we are seeing it as it was.
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R & R

Tue 09/25/18 09:06 PM

The most intriguing hypothesis I've heard so far is that our universe was born out of the interaction of two pre-existing universes.

Some physicist being interviewed in a documentary showed a photo claiming to be an adjoining universe "leaking" into ours. Well, I'll take her word for it.
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Stu

Tue 09/25/18 09:07 PM

Penny, Penny, Penny....
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Thazager1

Sun 09/30/18 10:13 AM

Rather than just 1 big bang, I believe its a continuing pulse. After the big bang gets so far stretched out, and stars die, black holes form eventually and begin to compress it all back into an explosive event again. Where it happens over and over. Why can we remember something we swear we have never done before? Can we actually remember from a pulse to the next?
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tombraider

Sun 09/30/18 10:50 AM



Just another organism crawling around on a round rock circling another round rock trying to convince ourselves we're more than just that ..face it your azz is in the twilight zone and at any minute Rod Serling is going to bust out into his opening monologue depicting just how phucked you are...smile2
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notbeold

Mon 10/01/18 05:47 AM

A deviation from flatness in the space/time continuum became an invagination, which then became a loop or bubble, and then separated from the space/time continuum, becoming a separate entity. Many separate entities similarly boiled up/out from 'nothing' over space/time and their collective presence became a 'thing', and many 'things' became 'quarks, bosons', etc. Many quarks, bosons', etc. made a collective presence called an atom. Many atoms made a collective presence called a molecule. Many molecules made a collective presence called a cell. et cetera.

Something from nothing ! scared
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GriffonNoir

Thu 10/04/18 12:34 AM

Well the problem is that it is not an isolated event. it was previously a very massive Black Hole. It consumed enough matter to become of a critical mass, and implode. The largest known Super Nova. Eventually something else will get that big again, and boom. No crunch, just swallowed by a passing Black Hole. The singularity, is not really accurate either. All the Matter consumed by the Black hole is stripped of its lightest particles, which may get lucky and spit out the polar jets. but any mass too large without enough speed will eventually become part of the neutron mass that we call a singularity. This is already a collapsed space compared to the Nucleus of an atom on Earth. Basically, there's no space between Particles. When the added Weight of Matter Becomes too great for the space inside those particles to collapse again further under pressure. The Big Bang Unleashes another Cluster of Galactic Debris.
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Tom

Fri 01/04/19 06:33 PM

Because Hollywood seized on the popularity of nerdism and thought they could make a big hit series based upon the Big Bang.
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Tom

Fri 01/04/19 06:43 PM


Big Bang????? Hmmmm is that how the universe was created? What caused that one tiny atom to exist in the first place???? How can something be created from nothing?????? Ultimately the answer God. Science refuses to acknowledge that but the two go hand in hand.


So where did god come from? If you have a problem imagining a tiny atom from nothing. God from nothing would be much, much, much more complex. Religious people refuse to acknowledge that.
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Tom4Uhere

Thu 02/14/19 10:18 PM



Big Bang????? Hmmmm is that how the universe was created? What caused that one tiny atom to exist in the first place???? How can something be created from nothing?????? Ultimately the answer God. Science refuses to acknowledge that but the two go hand in hand.


So where did god come from? If you have a problem imagining a tiny atom from nothing. God from nothing would be much, much, much more complex. Religious people refuse to acknowledge that.

Here's how I think about it...

The (present) Universe erupted when a condition of complete absolute zero had a state change.
What caused that state change is anyones guess and since nobody knows for sure, it could be God or puppies or marsh-mellows or anything.
Until it can be absolutely identified, God is just as good of an answer as any.

So, if someone get inner peace by thinking the Universe was created by God, why is it so important to dismiss it when no answer is absolutely known?
I mean, we don't know for sure that it wasn't God, do we?
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notbeold

Thu 02/14/19 11:19 PM

It would be OK if they left it at that, but GODDIES try to claim the high ground and want to coerce/force others to believe their trip, and live their lives by their rules.
And if equal credence was given to 'the DEVIL' creating everything, there would be violence from the godly crew.

MARSHMALLOWS DID IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! end of story. laugh
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Rock

Fri 02/15/19 03:08 AM


Why did big bang happen??What caused the big bang to take place??


Why are you omitting the word 'theory' ?
What caused you to omit the word 'theory' ?


You do understand, "big bang", is just a theory?

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Tom4Uhere

Fri 02/15/19 11:04 PM



Why did big bang happen??What caused the big bang to take place??

Why are you omitting the word 'theory' ?
What caused you to omit the word 'theory' ?
You do understand, "big bang", is just a theory?

You're right, it is a theory but much science is merely a theory based on what is understood. As more is understood, the theory changes but it remains a theory until someone witnesses it and measures results of tests, then the same result is found by someone else under different conditions.

The Big Bang theory is popular but not the only theory.
It has substantial observations that point to it in other ways.
Measurements have been taken by many different people for many different reasons that result in the likelihood it is valid.
But, likelihood and popularity is not science fact.
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Toodygirl5

Sat 02/16/19 03:30 PM

Try watching "Big Bang Theory" it is Hilarious. !:smile:
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Toodygirl5

Sat 02/16/19 03:31 PM






You do understand, "big bang", is just a theory?





:thumbsup:
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steve B

Sat 03/16/19 05:13 AM

I recon the big bang is still banging!
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madgar29

Sat 03/16/19 03:00 PM

can there be life beyond earth....

BIGGEST YES EVER....

do you really think humanity is from earth??
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Toodygirl5

Sat 03/16/19 03:11 PM

I t's just a Theory .

Then someone thought up a TV series to make millions.

:smile: