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Redrider1500

Sun 08/12/18 11:47 AM

All of these Chicago gangs know that firearms are illegal in the city. So, they know they can shoot, without somebody shooting back at them. Get rid of those laws that only stop the law abiding citizen, and I'd bet the gangs would think twice about shooting some neighborhood up.

I'd be willing to bet that if private citizens were allowed to shoot a gang member in the act of trying to kill someone else, and not be charged with a felony, that a lot of this open violence would stop.

Yeah, this is opening things up for vigilantes. Maybe that's what is needed.

dub

Sun 08/12/18 11:58 AM

we did away with that once already when we discovered it wasn't the proper way to build or run a lawful society.

some of us learn from history so we don't have to repeat it. bigsmile

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 01:05 PM

we did away with that once already when we discovered it wasn't the proper way to build or run a lawful society.

some of us learn from history so we don't have to repeat it. bigsmile

you are right

putting more guns out in those areas be it in peoples homes or in their cars for self protection will just give the thugs more guns to steal. It is the thugs who rule the streets in many areas. They will take your gun.. and shoot you with it.

But putting more cops out there in cars.. on horseback and on the beat would. But even that can not last forever and would only be a ban- aid.

They place needs to be cleared out.. once and for all. The thugs and guns removed.

Edited by greeneyes148 on Sun 08/12/18 01:07 PM

dub

Sun 08/12/18 01:20 PM

i've lived with guns nearly all my life.
never been one stolen. never accidentally shot anyone.

it's a big country with different problems requiring different solutions in different areas.

i don't think a national solution is simple.

msharmony

Sun 08/12/18 01:22 PM

solutions never are and are rarely one dimensional (one approach solving everything)

drinker

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 01:30 PM

Well, I would love to hear some of the solutions of how to stop the shooting and killing... now.. not 2 - 3 generations from now.

If not to send in more cops or the national guard.. then what? How do we get the lawless thugs and guns off the street there...now

msharmony

Sun 08/12/18 01:41 PM

There are several things that can help if enacted simultaneously if we are seriously concerned with saving children's lives, we could:

improving the trust and relationships between police and citizens by promoting more recruitment from and training of those who have actually LIVED in and know and understand the surroundings. This would also mean better pay for those charged with patrolling these areas.

programs to teach trades and expose the parents and the children to other options that are made realistic to them by being lead and modeled by those who LIVED through and overcame the surroundings they are living in, and same such individuals to mentor or sponsor them (like an AA type sponsor), who can work closely with police and other authorities.

better schools in both physical condition and resources used and programs offered.

better job opportunities.

Stricter consequences for guns used in non defense situations.

gangs used to fight, now they shoot, that has to be curbed.

..that is just a few ideas. and they wont take decades, but can cause a turnaround within a year or two, as other programs mentioned in these threads have been able to do

we are a product of two things: Mindset and environment, working on those things can curb alot of the violence IMHO.....

Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/12/18 01:43 PM

Rock

Sun 08/12/18 02:00 PM

A fish rots from the head.

Chicago wouldn't be the s-hole it is,
without the corrupt and lazy leadership
it's had, for several decades

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 02:10 PM

gangs used to fight, now they shoot, that has to be curbed.

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And how would you do that? would that involve getting the guns off the street in the first place.

And your ideas does nothing for now. And what exactly is wrong with going in and disarming the thugs now.. to stop the senseless killings.. now.

How many do you think will be shot or killed by these gangs before your programs kick in. And a year or two to implement them?... in where do you come 1- 2 years? . to rebuild schools, set up training program, train parent and gangbangers to do something else with their time.... and see changes' 1 -2 years

What exactly is the community doing to help solve the problem of what their siblings are doing in Chicago now?

do you not think that a large portion of the blame should be on the shoulders of the parents of these thugs..as they did they raise them?

Lastly , why do we have to train parents...to be parents. Why do we have to train thugs not to shoot people...to kill people. Why do we have to do that.

Doesn't personal responsibility fall into the mix.

Tom4Uhere

Sun 08/12/18 02:48 PM

Ever think this behavior is supported...as long as it doesn't cross the tracks and bleed into the suits?
Ever think that the elite want to have the peons killing each other in the street?
Think power and funding for pet projects.
How much freedom is someone willing to give up to feel safe in their neighborhoods?
People just slog thru life, oblivious to everything around then until something severe happens they can't ignore and then its "somebody needs to do something", then give it a month or a week and its back to slogging thru life, trying to reach that point in life they think is just beyond their grasp but is forever out of reach.
Why are most American neighborhoods safe? Is it because the people in those neighborhoods have security measures installed or is it because they refuse to tolerate the gangs?
I live in a part of town that is predominately black or hispanic and guess what, If someone is causing a ruckus, people are out in front of their homes raising a fuss about it. People are NOT getting shot in my neighborhood because we will not tolerate it.

When people stop participating in the neighborhoods, bad things start to happen.

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 03:14 PM

I live in a part of town that is predominately black or hispanic and guess what, If someone is causing a ruckus, people are out in front of their homes raising a fuss about it. People are NOT getting shot in my neighborhood because we will not tolerate it.
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Ad that's the way it should be.. families taking control. The key word is families. And personal responsibility.

So they questions is, if it is done in your area ( thus by your own admission a small country are) why can it be copied by others in larger areas.

I mean common decency is not something that should need to be taught to others.

And while the concept of teaching trades is great for school age kids it is not going to do anything for gangbangers. They are not going to give up the live that they have and the money they make to work a 9 too 5

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 03:26 PM

I live in a part of town that is predominately black or hispanic and guess what, If someone is causing a ruckus, people are out in front of their homes raising a fuss about it. People are NOT getting shot in my neighborhood because we will not tolerate it.
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Ad that's the way it should be.. families taking control. The key word is families. And personal responsibility. Responsibility for what is yours. Responsibility for your own actions.

So they questions is, if it is done in your area ( thus by your own admission a small country area) why can't it be copied by others parents in larger areas.

I mean common decency is not something that should need to be taught to others, especially adult age. That should have been taught already.

regarding training :
That is absolutely a good idea for school kids for the future. But it will do nothing for the current issue.

Thugs are not going to give up their lifestyle, the drugs, the money for a $15.00 buck a hour 9 o 5 job answering to a boss.. not happening

Anyone who thinks they will... is naive

Tom4Uhere

Sun 08/12/18 03:42 PM

True.
I also know that if a drug dealer has no customers they will move to where there are customers.
If you have drug dealer issues in your neighborhood it is because there are customers there.
If you have gangbangers in your neighborhood it is because there is little resistance there.
The people in the neighborhood don't need to act against the gangs but they do need to use the phones to call the cops and report the behavior...every...single...time.
When cops come to the door asking if you saw something, you say "yes, I did, here's what I saw".
You attend neighborhood meetings.
You pay attention to strange persons in your neighborhood.
You pay attention to the activities your children are involved with.
You say hello to people you meet and take note of the strangers that ignore you or are hostile towards you.
When you see something happening that is against the law, you pull out your phone, put the game on pause or tell the person you are talking to that you will call them back and YOU CALL THE FECKIN POLICE.
If you neighbor is beating his kids or his spouse, YOU CALL THE FECKIN POLICE.
If a bunch of kids are trashing your neighbors property, YOU CALL THE FECKIN POLICE.
Its not that difficult of a concept.

Easttowest72

Sun 08/12/18 03:58 PM

The mom's in those types of neighborhoods force their kids to stay outside while she is layed up with a man. She is happy when the kids being home a stolen tv, drugs, or money from selling drugs. Those kids have probably seen more than a lot of adults. You can't undo a person's childhood. You can't explain decency. People have already tried to help gangbangers. It doesn't work. It's who the are.

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 04:21 PM

It all starts at home. that is how kids are molded.. by what they are taught.. and what they see.

When that fails... they will fail as well. They will mimic what they saw, heard, experienced.

It is the responsibility of those people in that house to teach.. it is not societies responsibility to be mother and father. To now teach them what should have already be taught

It is societies responsibility to look out for each other...not teach them right from wrong.. that is the families responsibility.

Always has been,

Redrider1500

Sun 08/12/18 04:29 PM

I knew of one gang member here in town. He drove to Chicago once a week, and picked up the drugs he sold here in town. He distributed it to the dealers, they in turn sold it. That was his living, and he wasn't about to stop for a legitimate job. He'd been shot twice, and spent time in prison. (5 years) He was married, and had two kids, a nice house, and drove a caddy.

Yeah, he's going to stop working all of one day a week, and get a 40 hour a week, minimum wage job.

Toodygirl5

Sun 08/12/18 04:50 PM

This is very sad ! Unfortunately there are individuals there that do these horrible shootings as a form of entertainment. When Law enforcement takes control and start arresting the criminals , maybe innocent bystanders can feel safe.

Toodygirl5

Sun 08/12/18 04:53 PM

That is really Sad !!

greeneyes148

Sun 08/12/18 04:54 PM

In Chicago they ( drug dealers) set up shop at the exit ramps of the major highway ( everyone knows this), the customers drive off the highway, the sale is made.. and they get right back on the highway. They have spotters up and down the highway to tell them when cops are cruising by. And some will say " well, use unmarked police cars".. guess what, when you are street smart, you can pick out a unmarked cop car a mile away. And they know their surroundings.. like the back of their hand.

these drug dealers are making a fortune.

Toodygirl5

Sun 08/12/18 05:02 PM

A fish rots from the head.

Chicago wouldn't be the s-hole it is,
without the corrupt and lazy leadership
it's had, for several decades

I spent many weekends in Chicago. In the 90's and it wasn't that many shootings. However, I was in the downtown area by Lake Shore Dr.
Very expensive to live in Nice Apts. People who live in crime stricken areas should try to move to a smaller city or town.

Criminals , gangs should stay there, most small cities don't play that!!
Police will lock criminals up . People idownstate are not use to having to dodge bullets.

Chicago does have very poor leadership for Years! Hopefully that will change!

Edited by Toodygirl5 on Sun 08/12/18 05:08 PM

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