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msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:23 AM

Why would anyone care what Obama the traitor has to say..other than maybe his last words right before they snuff his lights out..and just to stay on topic ..Cuomo was never great and he would be wise not to piss off the president if he wants to keep his job..It amazes me how ignorant these people are to piss off the guy who has some of the best intelligence in the world and can dig up all the dirt on them and end their careers..just ask Mad Maxine see ya ..another moth to the flame in her career death spiral..when will these people ever learn.. smokin

Why would anyone care what Trump the liar has to say? see how easy that is? back to the point though about A politicians words costing them their career. In this case Cuomo did not say anything any more or less offensive than other politicans or even other POTUS, who still maintained a base to stay in office.

So we cant write off anyone just because of their words, or we would not have our current POTUS.

One's 'base' can excuse, explain, or split hairs to maintain their stellar perception of their guy (or gal)

your the hair splitter here... You said you know what Trump was talking about, but yet still call him a racist...you're feeding the stupid Democrats anger, same as the media...you always said you want to be part of the solution, so why are you being part of the problem now?

lol .. you guys are so funny. I did not call him a racist. I was ASKED to provide what he has said that was racist and provided a quote and how it can be perceived as racist. Just like POTUS did not call ALL mexicans animals. I never specifically said TRUMP was racist when asked to provide an example. The problem now is simple reading comprehension and blind partisanship that fights non existent arguments ...lol

I seen you call him a racist, more than once...

you have seen me say he APPEARS to be racist, and qualify with my personal opinion that he is incompetent, clueless, and an opportunist who does not know enough of anyone not ultra rich to truly believe anything about anyone with any real conviction.

as it relates to my posts in THIS thread, which is where the accusation is being made and the posts it is being made about, I have not once called him racist.

Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/20/18 11:25 AM

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:26 AM

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said, before adding, "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

,,,imagine if any other world leader would say, "when America sends its people, theyre not sending their most respectful, theyre bringing violence, disrespect, lewdness, and some, I assume, are good people."

blanket statements describing most of a group in negative terms can be easily interpreted as bigoted or racist.

calling countries on Africas continent 'shithole' countries, or calling for complete shutdown on MUSLIMS entering the country, or being sued and settling with the justice department for housing discrimination may be some of the reasons people believe he is racist, to name a few.

I happen to believe he is just ignorant and an opportunist who says what his base will get behind. I doubt he has much of ANY experience with or around anyone other than the financial elite to even have a REAL belief or knowledge about any demographic except other rich white males.

you hear a true statement and call racism? Who crosses the Mexican border illegally? The bottom feeders or the well to do citizens? With the exception of Egypt, what countries in Africa aren't shithole countries? Democrats don't want people to know the truth about anything, all they want is to lie and be lied to...

and THERE you have privilege .. do some reading and find out the answers to questions about the stereotypes that are so easily accepted when they arent about US (United States).

shithole is a descriptive and negative term and as subjective as GREAT. But the former about others is just the truth while the latter is a terrible career ending statement. ..... but some will never see the similarity.

Here is the data about Trumps unsupported claim about Mexicans

An estimated 1,955,951 native-born Americans, 117,994 illegal immigrants, and 43,618 legal immigrants were incarcerated in 2016. The incarceration rate for native-born Americans was 1,521 per 100,000, 800 per 100,000 for illegal immigrants, and 325 per 100,000 for legal immigrants in 2016 (Figure 1).

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/their-numbers-demographics-countries-origin

and an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, so doing the quick math, and even roughly 100,000 out of 11 million makes about less than 1 percent that are criminal, which makes it more true that SOME are criminal becuase MOST are not.

you better check your math... That makes 11 million criminals, not 100,000....

but not murderers and rapists, as is relevant in discussing Trumps statements ...

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:29 AM

I'm always amazed at how so many have been deceived by the media thinking Trump is a racist.

what a ridiculous comment. the media hasn't deceived me in any way, shape, or form about trump's racism.

TRUMP himself has made me believe he's a racist.
and, he regularly confirms that belief by his own words and actions.

the only part the media has played is giving trump the airtime he so craves to make it easy to see, and to determine for myself.

Ok, explain to me what President Trump has said that was racist. Keep in mind I've heard every claim and debunked them all. I live in a 90% black neighborhood and the apartment building I live in is now filled with Trump supporters after having some simple discussions and watching a few videos to see what was really said, and they all finally realized it was the reporters saying things, not President Trump, the media has been twisting things so much it is ridiculous. I wasn't even a Trump supporter in the election, but the lies by the media have turned me into one. I detest lies, which is also why I was never a Hillary supporter, her first claim to fame was being fired from Watergate for lying under oath and unethical behavior, which she has followed up with a laundry list of lies and corruption. Now with all of this Trump Derangement Syndrome going around, people just can't handle that he won the election, and it's pretty pathetic to watch people melting down just because they didn't get their way.

NO

i, sir, am a child of the south.
i grew up in the heart of dixie.
i went to school in the south.
i've lived the vast majority of my life in the south.

i know racism when i see it.
i neither need nor require trump apologists schooling me on racism, nor when to believe my "lyin' eyes'.

Then you are 100% correct because your eyes are lying to you. You only posted opinion as a response, and while everyone is entitled to their opinion they are NOT entitled to their own facts.

Fact #1, the unemployment rate for black people in the US is the lowest in recorded history. Contrast that to being at one of the highest points under Obama.

Fact #2, you haven't been keeping up with current events, do you know why Democrats had to hijack the Black Lives Matter group? Simple, because the Black Panther party turned on them after realizing they were being used and manipulated by Democrats for decades while saying give Trump a chance after listening to him, read the link if you have guts.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/08/29/new-black-panther-leader-we-are-being-pimped-by-democrats-n2211405

Fact #3, more current events as Rasmussen Report show polls up from 19% of black people in the US supporting Trump to 36% on August 5th, 2018 (just 5 days ago). Keep in mind that Rasmussen Report is a liberal Democrat source and they poll primarily in Democratic areas which means nationally Trump's numbers are better when reality is factored in.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/15/poll-donald-trumps-black-approval-rating-almost-double-that-of-last-year/

Fact #4, after more than 30 years in the public eye, Donald Trump was never called a racist until he ran for President. The allegations arose after WikiLeaks published John Podesta's emails which show Hillary and other Democrats saying racist things about black people and Hispanics, so they needed the media (which they pay to lie as proven in the book Clinton Cash with 85 of the biggest names in the news on their payroll) to spin it and claim Trump was racist to cover up her racism. Keep in mind Podesta admitted those were in fact his real emails that were published.

I have more, but if that doesn't start to open your eyes, then nothing will and that would be on you.

don't waste your time, Democrats care nothing for facts, they only hear MSNBC and other Democrats...

FACT: your assertions in this post are not based in FACT.

( but DO appear to be your own partisan assessment.)

FACT: you have no knowledge of the scope of sources i consult to form my opinions and understanding of any matters, let alone those we discuss here. you are merely guessing and projecting.

FACT: you have no knowledge of my party affiliation or if i even claim one at all. again, you are merely guessing and projecting.

these facts as i have laid them out indeed are FACTS, and they are INDISPUTABLE.

none of those are actually facts...but then again, most Democrats can't /won't understand the actual meaning if the word "fact"... Maybe after you go to the dictionary site, try some reading comprehension sites as well, since I said none of these things you're claiming here...

MightyMoe, you sir are 100% correct, as those were opinions against the facts I provided .. which some of them were from liberal Democrat supporting sources, but obviously they were ignored in favor of opinion, bias and prejudice. Liberals are 100% against free speech and open mindedness, just like the Nazis were back in the 1940s. We see it at Berkley where they refuse to allow anyone with a different ideology even speak there because they can not handle opposing ideas. It is very sad the US has come to this where you can't even discuss things openly anymore or include facts.

liberals are no more against free speech and open mindedness than any other American. Tell me how is it different for a college to have discretion based on its students preferences, who it invites to speak (for pay, mind you) and a baker to have discretion based on their clientele and beliefs what cake it will bake?

were these both issues that fall on 'liberal' side? Or is the liberal who wants discretion over speakers they are willing to pay not much different than a baker who wants discretion over what cake they will bake? You can still discuss whatever you want openly, you just cant do it without people having and acting upon their opinions of it, and exercising THEIR right to discuss whatever they want to as well.

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:32 AM

Many. many.. many times. But that's what happens when someone posts over 57,000 posts..... they forget what they said.

its not impossible. Im happy for people with better memories who post much less to recall and repost ANY of the alleged posts where I called him racist. But until then, I know myself even if I dont recall specifically every word I type or speak. And I know what I believe. so why would I post what I dont believe?

Experience says its not impossible, but its also very unlikely.

mightymoe

Mon 08/20/18 11:33 AM

Basically, anyone who is against any Democrat for any reason is a racist, evil being who hates women and gays too...there's no arguing against it, , the liberals will not tolerate sassy back talk, because racist, evil beings have no rights... And all being done from the safety of their internet cafe safe zones, just because they are scared of running into a non liberal in the real world...

CastleSiege247

Mon 08/20/18 11:34 AM

What's the definition of a criminal?

now who is splitting hairs? In relevance to the quote being described, the criminals in question are RAPISTS and MURDERERS.

in general anyone who commits an action punishable by law, like fudging on resumes, or speeding over the limit. or crossing without the crosswalk, or running a stop sign or red light, or fudging on tax forms ... etcetera, etcetera

.. there are far more criminals than are recorded, if we go by the general definition. So we generally only discuss those actually PROSECUTED for a crime in some way.

Congratulations, now you are starting to think like President Trump and Fox News. Have you ever watched Stossel's "Everything Is Illegal"? It's from an hour long show, but you will see in the first 10 minutes how ridiculous conservatives think laws have become. Let's keep in mind that it was the Republican party which ended slavery and it is Democrats who then founded the KKK in response. Don't believe me? Look up who Hillary's mentor into politics was? Hint, he died in 2010 and was once a Grand Dragon in the KKK. I guess I should also point out her biggest financial backer is George Soros who is a real life Nazi from his time in Nazi Youth and he is currently wanted in Hungary for crimes against humanity, I have friends in Hungary and they want to see him hanged for his crimes. Here's the link to Stossel's show which if you are listing petty crimes like that then you will be amazed by this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBiJB8YuDBQ&t

Food for thought, since people are all upset with President Trump for pushing the limits on illegal immigrants it is also because he (meaning President Trump for those who have difficulty keeping up with context of discussions) campaigned on changing those laws. I watched some of his campaign speeches online and imagine that, he is doing exactly what he said he would do by bringing attention to them. Now that he has we see Cryin Chuck Schumer REFUSE to take part in changing those laws which he advocated for in 2009, then cried about in 2017. Have you ever watched both sides of Schumer's comments?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOPvUABnw

Then we see Schumer say President Trump should just use his pen and write an executive order rather than making Congress do their job to change the law. Most people in the US never took a civics class since public schools stopped teach civics back in the 1970s under Carter, so most do not understand how the government works today. It makes things very difficult to discuss because people have a lack of knowledge. It is the job of Congress to make laws, not the President. Schumer is playing partisan politics plain and simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jipa7TjoA

The polls show over 70% of Americans want immigration reform, and have wanted it for over 30 years. We need stricter boarder enforcement, but we also need quicker background checks so people aren't waiting close to a decade for approval. We absolutely need to reserve the right to refuse entry to known murderers, rapists and drug dealers which is why people are supposed to immigrate LEGALLY!

If you ever took the time to watch a Trump rally from when he was running for President, then you would see he is NOT against immigration, he is only against ILLEGAL immigration. Did you catch the difference or are you still stuck on "people" while missing the context of the discussion?

this is a wild tangent from anything I posted. I simply explained how both sides take statements without context to pick them apart. Simple and clear.

so one side will pick apart the words 'that great' and the other will pick apart 'people are animals'.
And those who pick them apart are not supporters ANYWAY, because supporters will look past and/or have an explanation for their guy or girl.

not JUST TRUMP , it is about POLITICS, politicians, and people taking sides and interpreting things to reinforce their side.

Yes like when Obama called his wife Michael .. twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDXM-ZQwtRM

exactly like that, since the clip only edited a second or two of what was said completely, and the second time was actually 'my my ', and not michael ...

I agree it was cut a little short, and I have watched longer versions which seem to convey Obama was saying Michael more clearly, but with all the YouTube censorship as of late many videos have been deleted.

Do you think this censorship on YouTube is a good thing?

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:36 AM

What's the definition of a criminal?

Yes like when Obama called his wife Michael .. twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDXM-ZQwtRM

exactly like that, since the clip only edited a second or two of what was said completely, and the second time was actually 'my my ', and not michael ...

I think its free market and better than the alternative of having no standards or regulation.

mightymoe

Mon 08/20/18 11:37 AM

I'm always amazed at how so many have been deceived by the media thinking Trump is a racist.

don't waste your time, Democrats care nothing for facts, they only hear MSNBC and other Democrats...

well, the Baker went out of business because they didn't want to bake a gay cake...the liberals made them do it, or tried to...there used to be a time in the US when store owners had a right to refuse service to anyone, but the liberals decided they know best...

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:39 AM

mightymoe

Mon 08/20/18 11:40 AM

you better check your math... That makes 11 million criminals, not 100,000....

but not murderers and rapists, as is relevant in discussing Trumps statements ...

no, the operating word is criminal... He's just starting with the bigger crimes first...but in your statement, you said only 100,000 criminals, and that is false....it's 11 million, by your own words...

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 11:42 AM

yeah,,, okay.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said in the same speech. “They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

he qualified what he meant by claiming they are drug dealers and rapists. and he has a string of things about mexicans he has said, that added on, paint a clear picture of his negative Mexican bias, for those without their head in the sand.

CastleSiege247

Mon 08/20/18 11:43 AM

I agree, but the only way to break down those walls of fear is to find some way to communicate with them. Many are lost causes, but once in awhile it makes a difference, not always with the one you are directly talking with, but others who view your patience and facts vs opinions and name calling. What kind of man would I be if I did not try to make the world a better place?

I admit I have been luck dealing with people in person. I mentioned before that I live in an apartment building with about 90% of the population being black, and they have opened up a lot over the past 3 years and many of them started supporting Trump before I did.

Personally I support President Trump's campaign rhetoric and speeches, but I still have a couple reservations about him because despite popular opinion, he has always been a moderate with one foot on either side. The media has shifted so far left over the past few decades they think even being a moderate in the middle is too far to the right for them, which is intolerant and bigoted, which is why they accuse people on the right of being it .. like the fart game, blame it on someone else rather than taking responsibility for your own ****, which is something we know liberals will never do, LOL

mightymoe

Mon 08/20/18 11:46 AM

I just think Trump deserves a fair chance without the liberals constant badgering...this is way worse than any presidents before him..

mightymoe

Mon 08/20/18 11:48 AM

and what part of what he said isn't true?

CastleSiege247

Mon 08/20/18 11:54 AM

Yes, Democrats have a slavery mentality. You must do as they say or else. I lived in CA back in 2008, and my ex there had an illegal immigrant who would clean her apartment for $1/hr .. slave wages!! I haven't found a Democrat policy yet which does not have some slavery based language attached to it. They are still mad they lost the Civil War to the Republicans, and they want their slavery back.

Obamacare, join or pay a fine, despite language in the law which basically makes doctors slaves to their patients as Rand Paul pointed out. I remember watching it on C-SPAN. The law no longer allowed doctors to treat patients which they sometimes did because they did not recommend certain surgeries or procedures which were too risky, it opens up lawsuits against them. With all those truth telling Democrats .. "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor", even though what they wrote was drastically different than what they were saying .. if they said anything, remember nutty Nancy Pelosi saying "you have to pass it [it meaning Obamacare to put it in context for those who are logically impaired] to know what is in it". So much transparency, the law reads like something Hitler would have written.

Speaking of Hitler and healthcare, did anyone know George Soros runs SEIU, the largest heath care union in the world? Want to know why that is important?

CastleSiege247

Mon 08/20/18 12:03 PM

Read the last paragraph. This is from the real life Nazi George Soros' health care union website, it's in the "about" section, under "what does SEIU do" page 3. In other words they buried this information to hide it from the general public. Ever wonder where those buses of protesters come from? Or how many of them just happened to have professionally printed protest signs?

They say true power lies behind the throne, and behind the Democratic party is the real life billionaire Nazi George Soros pushing his agenda.

https://www.seiu.org/cards/these-fast-facts-will-tell-you-how-were-organized/what-does-seiu-do/p3

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 01:04 PM

and what part of what he said isn't true?

depends on who you ask, just like what part of america has never been 'that great' isnt true?

depends on who you ask, But I would bet that people supporting the candidate who says the statement, will believe it to be truth and identify with and support it as well. which brings me back to the point of how you cant count anyone out in politics because you assume they have said the wrong thing.

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 01:06 PM

people have a slave mentality on both sides, some relate to being the slave and some to being the slavemaster, slavemasters usually feel their way is the superior way to assimilate to ...

msharmony

Mon 08/20/18 01:11 PM

so, they want workers to come together in the global market for common goals around their industries? Oh, yeah, terrible.

CastleSiege247

Mon 08/20/18 01:16 PM

people have a slave mentality on both sides, some relate to being the slave and some to being the slavemaster, slavemasters usually feel their way is the superior way to assimilate to ...

Hmmm .. so if there were slaves and slavemasters in the south, then what mindset was in the NORTH which decided to put an end to it? Or is your mind not capable of thinking of more than two sides to a story??

In the years leading up to the Civil War there was a southern mindset of slave and slavemaster, but it was NOT the same in the north, but you haven't learned that. The same is true today, both the slave and slavemaster mindset is still present in the Democratic party, it never ended.

It always amazes me when people fail to realize that so many died in an effort to end slavery in the US because there is no credit given for it anywhere.

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