trump is currently our nation's biggest *******.
he jumps up and down flailing wildly so everyone can see him being a jerk.
he says and does the most heinous things lest we forget what a colossal turd he is.
he makes sure to remind us no matter the occasion.
he stands next to giants but only shows how small he is.

donald harrumpf has yet to say a respectful word towards john mccain.
the flag flying over the white house defies tradition, returning to full staff.
the kind and respectful words offered and suggested to president harrumph to share with the nation in respect to the service to his country of john mccain went unheeded.

with such a small man placing himself at center focus of everything, it only serves to embiggen the stature of the truly big men that he attempts to smallify.

trump made himself part of the story with his small actions.
i think john mccain would be okay with being used as an example of the differences between small minds and higher purposes.

You are missing my point

There is no shortage of pro and con Trump threads. None at all, and those are the correct venue for Trump statements, pro or con.

But when a person who served his country ( left or right) as well as McCain did dies and a thread is opened to remember him.... then that is what should be done. It should not be a springboard for bashing.. anyone... left.. or right, otherwise it negates the reason for the thread itself

JMO

i didn't miss it. i spoke to it.

kinda odd how you liberals are just so sad he died...as a matter of fact, none of you ever had anything good to say about him before this thread...but since he wasn't a Trump fan, he's just a great guy now, huh...

10 reasons not to morn for McCain

1. On July 29, 1967, the spoiled brat McCain pulled a prank and wet started his jet as while aboard the USS Forrestal. His mother lovingly called him a 'scamp' and it was well known he was a practical joker and rule breaker. He finished near rock bottom in a class of over 800 at Annapolis because he tried to break every rule in the book there while also making terrible grades. Such a prank befits his character. The huge flame created touched off a bomb on the plane behind him which led to more bombs going off from other parked planes, which then led to the deaths of 134 sailors. McCain did nothing to help during the fire. He was whisked off the carrier and protected because his father and grandfather were Navy admirals. The Deep State Swamp media has since tried to cover this up. They protect their own.

2. He was not a hero. Getting shot down and captured may make him a victim, but not a hero. He probably didn't pay attention during a training class, and so he didn't pull in his arms when he ejected over North Vietnam-and that's why they were broken. His captors knew he was the progeny of four star admirals and if anything gave him special treatment. McCain begged for medical treatment and sang like a bird at the 'Hanoi Hilton' to get it. He gave up vital intelligence that led to the deaths of more aviators.

3. Upon his return to America he immediately stabbed his wife in the back. She was badly injured in a car accident and he couldn't be bothered to help her. Instead, he quickly dumped her and married a wealthy heiress who could fund his political career. People get divorced all the time, but the manner in which he proceeded only underscores his cold-hearted selfishness.

4. He's painted as a happy and brave 'Maverick' and strong 'Independent' by the Deep State media. Wrong. He was a jackass of major proportions. The 'Warrior' of the Senate was owned by the Deep State and George Soros in particular. McCain became a shill for open borders who also supported globalism and carbon taxes to fight 'climate change.' At the same time, he was the worst enemy of military veterans, whom he left mistreated and in the lurch. Now there's a bill in Congress meant to provide aid for vets and they want to name it after their 'hero,' McCain. Disgusting.

5. He supported Bush in the Iraq war, even though the entry into that quagmire was based on lies. McCain claimed we would stay there 100 years if necessary. Such stubbornness and war mongering combined with his flash-temper only highlight the fact that he should have been nowhere near the nuke button. McCain was a reckless 'hot head'

6. He was a spoiled and entitled brat who was repeatedly backed and bailed out at every turn by his pappy and grand pappy. He should never have been admitted into Annapolis in the first place. He should have been kicked out of Annapolis for his outrageous and rebellious behavior. He crashed a total of five military aircraft. He loved partying more than flying. He should have been kicked out of the Navy for crashing several jets during his daredevil clowning. He should have been no where near the Senate. The NeoCons rigged the primaries for McCain who contemptuously laughed at Ron Paul during the debates. He should have been nowhere near the Republican nomination, but the Deep State wanted McCain, the reckless 'hot head' to lose to Obama. He chose Sarah Palin has his running mate and years later blamed her for his loss. The hot head backstabber never took responsibility for his actions.

7. He displayed great contempt for his constituents while showing his arrogance and hatred for America by never bothering to resign from the Senate when he knew he had terminal brain cancer. He wanted to go to the grave with his power, thus depriving Arizona from representation.

8. He made sure trade restrictions were softened with Vietnam and hailed as a forgiving man of peace. Wrong! He did it so he could get his Budweiser distributorship there. He was first in line to make money from such legislation. The lust for money and power ruled rule-breaker McCain.

9. He supported ISIS terrorists and wanted us to start another war in Syria, which might have lead to World War III. McCain was not a 'maverick.' He was an establishment war-mongering stooge and enabler for the Deep State.

10. He leaked Hillary's paid-for pack of lies, the Steele Dossier, to James Comey, in an attempt to bring down President Trump. This was illegal, but hey-he's John McCain! Instead of showing remorse he said, "Anyone who doesn't like it can go to hell!" A faux conservative, he voted against his own party and President Trump when he could-including his vote to keep ObamaCare. The lying back stabber McCain became much loved and he's now being profusely praised by the Deep State Swamp and its propaganda media. That only proves what a scum bag he truly was.

And again, why discuss someone else.. anyone.. on a thread started to honor a mans service to his country.

Can't the back and forth ( on a dedication thread) stop long enough to bury someone? Doesn't McCain deserve that respect?

Such stubbornness and war mongering combined with his flash-temper only highlight the fact that he should have been nowhere near the nuke button. McCain was a reckless 'hot head'



First, thanks for the laugh, considering our current choice for POTUS.

second, I just ask people reading this thread do some research to verify what is claimed here.


http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-fire-uss-forrestal/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/aug/07/blog-posting/posts-blame-john-mccain-deadly-1967-fire-aboard-us/

http://www.truthorfiction.com/john-mccain-started-forrestal-fire/


I wont run down the list. I cannot emphasize enough how much further research is necessary when reading public forums like this where any of us can literally post anything or repost anything, true or not.




I have respect for people who evolve and grow. Whatever things McCain did in his younger years requires review, but the things he did and said in the last decades of his life, the way he conducted himself (for the most part), these were all things that I will remember him by and respect him for.

he was just a liberal spook hiding in the Republican den... He was a traitor to his nation, his party and his family...

and I'm not sure why you believe those dumbazz websites, they only print what they're told to print...you do remember his dad was a 4 star admiral, do you really think the captain of the forrestal would blame the adirmals son? No, that's not how things work in the military

yep, EVERY site who has a reputation for being able to research and check for facts are making it up, which provide their research in their conclusions, are all thats true is sites with no reputation for anything but scandals and conspiracies which provide absolutely no back up information to verify with.

yep, EVERY site who has a reputation for being able to research and check for facts are making it up, which provide their research in their conclusions, are all thats true is sites with no reputation for anything but scandals and conspiracies which provide absolutely no back up information to verify with.

just who do you think came up with these facts they check??? The government.... The only people that know what really happened are the people that were there... Nobody is going to blame an admirals son for almost sinking a billion dollar aircraft carrier... They would put the blame on a peeon who died at the scene...

Let me guess, "A vast right-wing conspiracy"? Or is it a "vast left-wing conspiracy"? The government is hiding that we have car engines that run on seawater too, right, but it is a conspiracy? Aliens killed JFK?

How can so many other objective websites get things wrong, but you unequivocally believe that Fox news is above reproach and gets EVERYthing right?

"The government"... We have idiots like Matthew Snowden being protected by Russia and leaking government secrets, but he didn't leak this "Truth" about McCain? Don't you think Trump would pay Putin with more US intelligence if they could produce for Trump "proof" that one of Trump's most vocal opponents in his own party was a sham?

Do you have a clue how many people would have to be in on such a conspiracy? I mean, just the 700 "peon seamen" on the ship (who were drafted into a war they didn't want to fight) would have had at least half a dozen come forward during the FIRST Obama campaign to bring this to light. This conspiracy is faker than the Cheato's combover.

As Bugs Bunny says, "What a maroon"

CNN has already made McCain's death about Trump. Everything the report is about Trump. He has lots of power over them.

John McCain, from someone who knew him:

In all the time I knew John McCain, he never complained. He was not one for self-pity or agonizing over regrets. I never heard him talk with bitterness about his five years as a prisoner of war. I never heard him complain about the physical pain and lack of mobility he endured every day of his life after that. I never heard him complain about losing two presidential elections. I never heard him complain about his cancer diagnosis.

So many times through the years, I called to wish John well on some holiday, and he would answer his old flip phone in some far-flung part of the world where he was visiting our troops.

There was so little to brief him on. He knew what was happening in Cuba and Nicaragua and Venezuela. He knew the names of the leaders fighting for democracy, and he knew the names of the despots and dictators. John gave a damn about the people of the world. He understood a more democratic world meant a safer America.


John was not a perfect man. He'd be embarrassed to be spoken about that way. He made mistakes. He had regrets. He erred in judgment at times. But John McCain was a good and decent man with a huge capacity to lead.

. He was grateful for the opportunities life gave him. John was a happy man. He did not dwell on losses or the bad things that had happened to him.


http://www.cnn.com/2018/08/26/opinions/john-mccain-country-first-navarro/index.html

From his friend.

And I personally, having observed the way he carried himself and spoke of the issues we face, hope we find many others of his integrity and character (and experience) to be leaders of this country.

too funny...do you honestly believe that load of BS? hell, I've heard McCain whine and complain about everything and Ive never met the guy...who did he blame when he lost the election? Has he ever shut up about Trump? Lol, CNN is so full of liberal crap it's ridiculous...might as well post an article from the Onion, it's probably more truthful..

Even a Polititians death is about Politics. I believe the news said McCain made a last statement to Trump, by not including him in any kind of involment in comments before or after his services.

Presidents usually are invited to the services of Senators.

The News media fuels the Fires !!!

I dont know what you are talking about. it was implied only those that knew him could give an accounting, so I provided one, from someone who knew him.

considering their relationship and the insults, and the tendency of Trump to make things about him and flame his own fires, I wouldnt blame him if he didnt want him there. But I dont watch cable anyway. I dont know what they are saying or what the details are concerning his last wishes.

(Live CBS News) special report. 1pm central
New York

Vice President Biden pays Tribute to Senator McCain.

Biden was one of McCain's best friends .

Great Dedication Service talk !