well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant

second, of those which are of WORKING age,

Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014.


Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate.


http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html

so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense ....

Undocumented = illegal.
Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth.

This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well.

lol ... like that phrase , huh?

providing data is not so much of a "soap box" as providing mere opinions.

It was once illegal for a slave to run away too .. nothing to do with the value of human life or how humans should be treated.

other things that were once illegal: (should they have been bountied for round up or death as well?)

producing and selling alcohol
interracial marriage
using birth control
playing pinball
public profanity


describing people based on involvement in something illegal isnt verification of lesser character or value of life ...

Were you a union worker by chance?

no. I was not.

Those lower wages you refer to are justification for a work visa system that requires the payment of prevailing wages; that puts the existing working poor on the same wage playing field as immigrants. The employer is no longer able to pay substandard wages to immigrants from their fear of being turned in for they are legal workers who would not be deported. The employer would also be subject to existing wage, hours, and safety standards.

You need to straighten up your context. Immigrants and illegals are not the same.

"I am also aware that mere documentation also caused people to see them as inferior and dangerous people that should be 'rounded up' and some even believed death was appropriate for such a breech as trying to be free when it was illegal. "

That would be your projected perception, not mine.

Your belittling terminology might fly in a school yard, I think it's time you grew up a little at least.

what terminology was 'belittling'?

I am very grown and trying to have a civil discussion.

Conduct yourself accordingly than.

Edit: You started the school yard talk

)Of course they are not, that is obvious. When you give people who otherwise would be illegal, a workers visa, they become legal and part of the tax system. Employers need the workers and legal, holding a visa, is a much better solution all around. With that, the number of illegals in or trying to enter the country would be substantially reduced.

Damn it! It looks as though I read you out of context and blamed you! LOL!

I'm very much against rewarding illegals with work visas or even letting them back into the country on work visas after being caught here illegally. We all should pay our dues.
My ex was an immigrant and we played it to the letter.

While that might be a reasonable view in principle, from an economic view, it is not feasible. You remove 8+ million people from an already under supplied worker pool, you will put us back into a recession. A penalty, yes; back taxes, yes; time limits, yes; but removing them, not feasible. That issue won't happen again with improved border security and an abundant supply of legal visa workers. There will be no jobs available for illegals.

First report I've seen on today's meeting:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/30/no-deal-border-security-talks-2594735

"You remove 8+ million people from an already under supplied worker pool, you will put us back into a recession"

I'm afraid not, if all is done above board we lose no work force and illuminate the illegals bleeding the system.

"A penalty, yes; back taxes, yes; time limits, yes; but removing them, not feasible. That issue won't happen again with improved border security and an abundant supply of legal visa workers."

I don't agree, these people are on a time limited visa in the first place that they know of, as well as their employers. Penalize the employer for the lapsed visas and ship the illegals out, the best taught lessons are not always the easiest learned.

"There will be no jobs available for illegals."
As long as employers are willing to take the chances they do and have for decades there will be work for the illegals.

I grew up in SoCal, immigration would pick up an illegal that worked as a meat cutter who was working with my friends father and the illegal would be back in time for work the next day.

This is far from the only case I know of first hand and I'm only one person.