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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Thu 08/15/19 03:09 AM


I never really got that whole to-do with the IRA as I was very young. In 1971 I was only 5 years old.
It is unbelievable to me that there can be so much upheaval concerning religion in a first world country. I'm Catholic, maybe it's a miracle I made it out of the UK alive.
Indirectly we had a role in that too I suppose, since the Dutch played big part of the UK becoming reformed instead of Catholic.
My country is also split in two religions: The Catholic south and the Reformed upper part, 2/3 of the country approx. Catholics don't make a problem out of things, but if I am to find employment here -I live in a Reformed bible belt- I have to lie on my resume about my religion and say I am Reformed otherwise I will not get employed. So Catholic are much more easy going, at least over here.

What I also never got is why England had to hold on to the northern part of Ireland, a country that isn't theirs.
I read that most English wouldn't care if Northern Ireland left the UK. Apparently it costs more to be part of the UK than it cost the UK to be part of the EU.


Irish Catholics civil rights were denied for so long here in the north that it was inevitable that the people were going to rise up, and when this happened the British sent the military in to try and quell it, while loyalists were burning people from their homes in catholic areas, the I.R.A. resurfaced in defence of these areas and hence the British turned their guns on the catholic population...

1690 "The battle of the Boyne" when king William of orange defeated king James is a big thing for the Protestants loyalist unionists here still, celebrated every year with bonfires and large triumphalist marches, the north of Ireland was partitioned by Britain in 1921 in a way that made a Protestant majority in this part of Ireland, therefore we here believe we were sold out and left on our own.

I ain't as articulate as I wish, so that's just a basic explanation..smokin
Edited by Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚 on Thu 08/15/19 03:38 AM
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Thu 08/15/19 12:35 PM

Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Thu 08/15/19 12:37 PM
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Larsi666 😽

Thu 08/15/19 03:31 PM

Leaving the RA aside for a moment, it is more interesting to see, that within the last two years, two political parties emerged. Mainly because people were disappointed with Sinn Fein. There is Eirigi (Rise Up in English) and Saoradh (Liberation in English). Both gain popularity in both the 26 counties, and the 6 counties in the North.


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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 01:53 AM


Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Uninionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking
Edited by Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚 on Fri 08/16/19 01:57 AM
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Unknow

Fri 08/16/19 01:57 AM

Good morning dino.
I'm not an expert on the history but didn't the 'orange order' come from the Netherlands? Maybe over a hundred years ago?
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 02:04 AM


Good morning dino.
I'm not an expert on the history but didn't the 'orange order' come from the Netherlands? Maybe over a hundred years ago?

Morning Mikey, the orange order are from earlier than that, 1690 was the date of the battle of the Boyne when King William of Orange defeated King James hence the Orange, was on the lash last night so I'm a bit delicate here, but you get the gist of it..laugh drinker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order
Edited by Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚 on Fri 08/16/19 02:06 AM
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Unknow

Fri 08/16/19 02:07 AM

laugh drinks on a school night to noway
That's it
I think they were on the lash in 1690 to. laugh :thumbsup:
Edited by Unknow on Fri 08/16/19 02:09 AM
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Unknow

Fri 08/16/19 02:07 AM

slaphead
Edited by Unknow on Fri 08/16/19 02:08 AM
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 02:11 AM


laugh drinks on a school night to noway
That's it
I think they were on the lash in 1690 to. laugh :thumbsup:

lol.. Nightmare what those Dutch guys started..laugh
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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Fri 08/16/19 03:17 AM



laugh drinks on a school night to noway
That's it
I think they were on the lash in 1690 to. laugh :thumbsup:

lol.. Nightmare what those Dutch guys started..laugh

Thank you, haha.
But it's the English themselves. And the Vatican. If King Charles hadn't forces James to raise his daughter as Anglicans instead of Catholic like James himself it wouldn't have happened either tongue2

It may not be about religion so much anymore, but I think that was what triggered the whole chit.
And that stuff goes deep, difficult to change. For instance, I don't identify as a Catholic anymore, but at school I was told stories of what the protestants did to us and our churches. I was horrified. Not cos I was so devout but more the violence, the brutality, disrespect etc., even at that young age. I remember there being a protestant school in the village and me kind of fearing that and the people there, feeling "Those are the barbarians!"
And even though I do not identify as a Catholic anymore, I STILL feel that way when I think about it.
Just goes to show that what we tell our children is vitally important as apparently everything simply gets stored in their subconscious.

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SparklingCrystal 💖💎

Fri 08/16/19 03:21 AM



Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Uninionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking

Well, even though I'm not involved in it and know little about it all, I feel that way too. Always have. It's totally ridiculous to hold on to a part of another country, and history has shown that in the long run this never works out. Look at Russia, Czechia, Servia etc etc.
Maybe it'll change when William takes to the throne.
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 03:27 AM




Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Unionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking

Well, even though I'm not involved in it and know little about it all, I feel that way too. Always have. It's totally ridiculous to hold on to a part of another country, and history has shown that in the long run this never works out. Look at Russia, Czechia, Servia etc etc.
Maybe it'll change when William takes to the throne.

Yes the same, religion should be banned haha.. Things are improving but we still got a long way to go, if only we could all get a bong..:)
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Larsi666 😽

Fri 08/16/19 03:50 AM



Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Uninionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking



Aye. That's why I do not recognize Stormont. Ireland should have one legislative chamber, covering all 32 counties. Tiocfaidh ar la glasses
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Larsi666 😽

Fri 08/16/19 03:51 AM





Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Unionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking

Well, even though I'm not involved in it and know little about it all, I feel that way too. Always have. It's totally ridiculous to hold on to a part of another country, and history has shown that in the long run this never works out. Look at Russia, Czechia, Servia etc etc.
Maybe it'll change when William takes to the throne.

Yes the same, religion should be banned haha.. Things are improving but we still got a long way to go, if only we could all get a bong..:)



Religion is only used as a lame excuse, imo. As if there was two Christian dieties whoa
Edited by Larsi666 😽 on Fri 08/16/19 04:03 AM
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 03:54 AM




Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Uninionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking



Aye. That's why I do not recognize Stormont. Ireland should have one legislative chamber, covering all 32 counties. Tiocfaidh ar la glasses

Maith thú, I'll quote the James fella "If you strike at, imprison, or kill us, out of our prisons or graves we will still evoke a spirit that will thwart you, and perhaps, raise a force that will destroy you! We defy you! Do your worst!"
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 03:56 AM






Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Unionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking

Well, even though I'm not involved in it and know little about it all, I feel that way too. Always have. It's totally ridiculous to hold on to a part of another country, and history has shown that in the long run this never works out. Look at Russia, Czechia, Servia etc etc.
Maybe it'll change when William takes to the throne.

Yes the same, religion should be banned haha.. Things are improving but we still got a long way to go, if only we could all get a bong..:)



Religion is only used as a lame excuse, imo. As if there was two Cristian dieties whoa

:thumbsup:
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Larsi666 😽

Fri 08/16/19 04:01 AM





Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Uninionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking



Aye. That's why I do not recognize Stormont. Ireland should have one legislative chamber, covering all 32 counties. Tiocfaidh ar la glasses

Maith thú, I'll quote the James fella "If you strike at, imprison, or kill us, out of our prisons or graves we will still evoke a spirit that will thwart you, and perhaps, raise a force that will destroy you! We defy you! Do your worst!"




I quote the Saoradh fellas "Revolution is the only solution" :thumbsup:
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Sir Dino One Love ☝️💚

Fri 08/16/19 04:10 AM






Cheers :)
Now do ppl in Northern Ireland identify as English or Irish?

How all this chit went throughout history with Reformed vs Catholic, the times it was changed in the UK, makes my head spin. And it was always the common folk who suffered because of it. One day being forced to be Reformed, the next being forced to be a devout Catholic. slaphead
It's a danged miracle people kept adhering to any religion. I mean, it had little to do with believing but more with surviving the day without getting your head chopped off.
One of the reasons I'm allergic to religion, hihi.
And King James being forced to raise his 2 daughter to be Anglican while he himself was Catholic. If he hadn't done that the entire future of Northern Ireland could've different for then Mary wouldn't have married a reformed man.
And her gran I suppose, Mary Queen of Scots, was also Catholic. Weird chit if you think about it.

Also, there's still have new factions of the old IRA, aren't there? I remember in Strike Back this came up and also in Sons of Anarchy I think. Something like "The New IRA".

It is a long story..:) But here in the north the Loyalist/Uninionist identify themselves as being British while Republicans are Irish, that's the thing about the conflict, it's not a catholic protestant thing, it's a British Irish thing. Larsi has mentioned the "New I.R.A." below... Theres a famous qoute by Padraig MacPiaras.." Ireland Unfree shall never be at Peace" We don't recognise "Northern Ireland" as a country as it was created by the Brits in 1921 there are 32 counties in Ireland and 6 are under occupation..smokin winking



Aye. That's why I do not recognize Stormont. Ireland should have one legislative chamber, covering all 32 counties. Tiocfaidh ar la glasses

Maith thú, I'll quote the James fella "If you strike at, imprison, or kill us, out of our prisons or graves we will still evoke a spirit that will thwart you, and perhaps, raise a force that will destroy you! We defy you! Do your worst!"




I quote the Saoradh fellas "Revolution is the only solution" :thumbsup:

Bua no bas :thumbsup:
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Larsi666 😽

Fri 08/16/19 04:25 AM

„Protest is when I say this does not please me. Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more"

(Ulrike Meinhof)

Beir bua smokin
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Fri 08/16/19 04:29 AM


„Protest is when I say this does not please me. Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more"

(Ulrike Meinhof)

Beir bua smokin


Class.. RAFsmokin