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Blondey111

Wed 03/11/20 11:11 PM


Seems everyone wants a pill to cure everything these days. Big pharm knows this, and capitalizes on this, giving six pills for one ailment, one to put a tiny bandaid on it, but never cures it, and five to counter-act the side-effects fall-out. Costing the tax payer up to $1800.00 a month and sometimes more. I've seen this and worse, first hand.

A few good doctors practice preventative medicine here, but are ridiculed, and belittled and even threatened, as big pharm wants to eradicate these practices, because if people really found out what was really going on, big pharm would have trouble... 2000 people die a year from Aspirin complications alone... they hide it well, don't they?
aspirin has always carried a Known risk of bleeding and unfortunately because of this can contribute to fatal outcomes . Low dose daily aspirin was believed to reduce the risk of stroke but we now know in some circumstances and age groups using low dose aspirin may contribute to mortality . The same can be said for many other medications .. new information is always coming to hand . Medicine has always had power .. even through the ages medicine and religion ruled . Little has changed . Inequality still exists .. corruption still exists . Greed for money power and control still exists . All that said .. I would not want to live in a world without the advances of medicine or pharmaceuticals .

offtopic oops sorry mystic .biggrin :angel:
Edited by Blondey111 on Wed 03/11/20 11:12 PM
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darkowl1

Wed 03/11/20 11:26 PM

Then........I'm glad there are very knowledgeable and sharp people like you in this time and place looking out for us and helping us with knowledge that many of us might not attain otherwise.
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Blondey111

Thu 03/12/20 12:09 AM

You are too kind darkowl blushing waving


WHO finally declares a pandemic ... so it begins ....

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120205702/world-health-organization-declares-covid19-outbreak-a-pandemic
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SparklingCrystal đź’–đź’Ž

Thu 03/12/20 03:25 AM


Seems everyone wants a pill to cure everything these days. Big pharm knows this, and capitalizes on this, giving six pills for one ailment, one to put a tiny bandaid on it, but never cures it, and five to counter-act the side-effects fall-out. Costing the tax payer up to $1800.00 a month and sometimes more. I've seen this and worse, first hand.

A few good doctors practice preventative medicine here, but are ridiculed, and belittled and even threatened, as big pharm wants to eradicate these practices, because if people really found out what was really going on, big pharm would have trouble... 2000 people die a year from Aspirin complications alone... they hide it well, don't they?

We have a GP who started a medicine-free practice. I'm not quite sure how she does things. But she's against mindlessly prescribing medication.
As it is I'm not certain how many GPs over here are open to the alternative since I live in a Reformed county and Reformed ppl typically aren't open to it.
I used to have a GP who was also a qualified homeopath. He prescribed both, if homeopathy could cure or alleviate it, he went for that. Which was great as my baby son had eczema on his hand. It went away with homeopathic medicine which is much better especially for such a little one :)

It is in a way funny that our PM has his nose so deeply up the EU's @$$es and yet we do have a huge variety of alternative medicine and therapists to choose from. Some you get coverage from healthcare for.
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SpaceCodet

Thu 03/12/20 05:23 AM

US Coronavirus Fatality Rate Is Overestimated, Experts Say

Number of confirmed cases doesn’t tell whole story, as mild cases, and untested and recovered patients aren’t fully counted

BOWEN XIAO

Infectious disease specialists and health experts say that while the number of cases of the new coronavirus will likely continue to grow in the United States, the current case fatality rate appears to be an overestimation.

Cases of the virus have jumped over the past few days, now with more than 1,000 confirmed across the United States, according to data compiled by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at John Hopkins University. As of this writing, there have been at least 32 coronavirus-linked deaths.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on March 3 that the global case fatality rate is “about 3.4 percent.” But a handful of public health experts told The Epoch Times that the case fatality rate in the United States is lower than the 2 or 3 percent currently estimated. The case fatality rate is “the proportion of persons with a particular condition who die from

that condition,” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Harry Scholtz, vice president of infectious disease and infection prevention at BEAM Telemedicine and Healthcare, told The Epoch Times that the estimated fatality rate is “likely an overestimate.”

“It disproportionately includes elderly patients with medical con-


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People wearing protective masks ride a train in New York on Feb. 29, 2020. JOHN MOORE/GETTY IMAGES


Hand sanitizers provided for election workers in Renton, Wash., on March 9, 2020.



ditions and not anyone who was untested and recovered fully,” Scholtz, an infectious disease physician, said. At the same time, the incubation period for coronavirus can be as long as 24 days, according to the largest study analyzing patients of the disease so far. This is another indication that the number of actual cases is likely higher than reported. Some patients are also testing positive for the virus while showing no symptoms at all, according to a letter published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

“Young people (under 15) had no severe illness whatsoever,” Scholtz said. “It could be that they already possess antibodies that provide protection against COVID-19, or their immune systems are better able to fight off the virus.”

The outbreak of the virus first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in December 2019. A number of U.S. states across the country have also declared public emergencies over the virus.

Dr. Aimee Ferraro, a faculty member of Walden University’s Master of Public Health program who conducts research on infectious and vector-borne diseases internationally, also said the death rate of the virus is likely lower than any current estimates.

“As of March 10, there are 754 cases and 28 deaths from coronavirus in the United States, making the mortality rate 3.7 percent,” she told The Epoch Times via email. “However, this number does not account for asymptomatic and undiagnosed cases, so the true mortality rate is probably much lower.

“Mortality rate estimates will become more accurate as more data is collected on mild, moderate, and severe cases of coronavirus.”

On March 11, the numbers have already shifted in this direction, with 1,135 reported cases and 32 deaths, giving a mortality rate of 2.8.

Among the deaths in the United States, most stemmed from Washington state, specifically in King County, and involved older adults who already had underlying health conditions. Life Care Center, a nursing home in the county, is on lockdown over cases of COVID-19, and a number of staff members and residents have exhibited flu-like symptoms.

Of the 20 deaths reported in King County, 19 “are associated with Life Care Center,” according to local health officials. Many of the fatalities involved people over the age of 70.

Meanwhile, President Donald Trump called the 3.4 percent figure by the WHO “really a false number” in a March 4 interview on Fox News, saying he believes the actual rate is much lower.

“They don’t know about the easy cases, because the easy cases don’t go to the hospital. They don’t report to doctors or the hospital in many cases. So I think that that number is very high,” Trump said. “Personally, I would say the [mortality rate] is way under 1 percent.”

Scholtz said the coronavirus doesn’t appear to be very deadly “when compared with SARS and MERS, which had a mortality rate of about 9 percent and 34 percent, respectively.” But he said cases in the United States will continue to rise, “and probably more steeply in the coming weeks or months,” citing “increased availability

of testing rather than an actual increase in infections.”

“As we gather more information about the total number of cases, my suspicion is that we will find this virus to be less deadly than currently thought,” Scholtz said.

“I do not think that the mortality from this will increase in the United States, and on the contrary, I expect that it will decrease as people present earlier and treatment becomes more standardized.”

Of the more than 121,000 confirmed cases of the virus globally, more than 66,000 have recovered as of this writing, according to data collected by Johns Hopkins University. More than 4,300 deaths have been reported globally, though data coming from China or Iran is thought to be more optimistic than presented.

Dr. Taylor Graber, a resident anesthesiologist at the University of California–San Diego, said most of the individuals who contract the virus will “experience nothing more than mild symptoms, similar to many other seasonal upper respiratory viruses.”

“More than 80 percent of cases result in very mild symptoms, which don’t require interaction with the health care system or hospital care,” he told The Epoch Times.

Mild cases are likely to not be reported in the total number of confirmed cases. Graber said more severe cases can lead to increased inflammatory stress on the body, possibly culminating in respiratory failure. The symptoms in more serious cases include fever, cough, and shortness of breath.

Flu Comparison

Dr. Rishi Desai, a former epidemic intelligence service officer at the CDC’s Division of Viral Diseases, told The Epoch Times that the most concerning difference between coronavirus and the flu is “how quickly COVID-19 spreads and its mortality rate.”

Desai didn’t dispute the official U.S. mortality rate.

“COVID-19’s R-naught is around 2.3, which means that for every one person that gets sick, 2.3 people will be infected,” Desai said via email. R-naught is also referred to as the basic reproduction number.

“During a bad flu season, influenza has an R-naught of 1.3 and a mortality rate of 0.1 percent,” he said.

Influenza also has vaccines that have 50 to 60 percent vaccine efficacy “and can be treated with medications like Oseltamivir,” Desai said, adding that the coronavirus has no vaccine, and a vaccine isn’t likely to be available for quite some time. Top U.S. officials have publicly stated that a vaccine could likely be developed by the end of the year or early next year.

CDC estimates that “so far this season, there have been at least 34 million flu illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations, and 20,000 deaths from flu.”

The predominant way the virus spreads is when it is flung from one person to another as they “cough or sneeze,” Desai said. He said the most likely way a person can get infected is through the eyes, nose, and mouth, adding that if those areas were touched less, the risk is “significantly lower.”

Scholtz added that influenza can also be quite severe for young healthy persons.

While the coronavirus and influenza are both respiratory illnesses that are contagious and transmitted in a similar way—through droplets containing the virus—Ferraro said that “coronavirus may also spread through airborne transmission, which means the virus may remain in tiny droplets in the air even when the infected person is no longer near.”

U. S. officials are also urging Americans to travel less and to avoid large groups of people. Santa Clara County, a large area in California that includes Silicon Valley, on March 10 banned mass gatherings of 1,000 or more people due to the coronavirus.

Elderly and vulnerable Americans should travel less and avoid large groups of people, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on March 8.

“If you’re a person with an underlying condition, and you are particularly an elderly person with an underlying condition, you need to think twice about getting on a plane, on a long trip,” Fauci told NBC on March 8.

Several major U.S. health insurance companies have agreed to waive copays on COVID-19 testing and will extend coverage on treatment, Vice President Mike Pence said on March 10.

Fauci said while authorities are getting a “better sense” of the scope of the outbreak, “unfortunately, that better sense is not encouraging, because we’re seeing community spread.”


As we gather more information about the total number of cases, my suspicion is that we will find this virus to be less deadly than currently thought, Harry Scholtz, vice president of infectious disease and infection prevention, BEAM Telemedicine and Healthcare CHUNG I HO/ THE EPOCH TIMES


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A patient is loaded into an ambulance outside the Life Care Center of Kirkland in Kirkland, Wash., on March 7, 2020.


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mysticalview21

Sat 03/14/20 04:58 PM

waving Blondy ... Have a ?

I remember years ago bout this time of year ...my daughter always got strep 103 fever ... always came out of the blue ... and being a older mom always scared the crap out of me ... for her ... she was between the ages of 5...6...7 ...
oh so scared once took her to the emergency rm ... becouse I heard some boy got a strain of it and died just like that ... one minute he was fine nxt mom said died in the bath rm ...once he got home from school...


now with these High Temps of 103 ...do you know ...


how they might tell the difference just by taking temps and having them mark with that temp of 103 ... strep was always contagious too ... but if you kept things clean in your home disinfected ... adults did not get it ... always kept hands clean too ... I believe she was given meds for it ... think it was a antibiotic and kids tylenol and motrin...I had to give her ... but could count on the darn thing every yr ... if her temp was 103 ... I guess they look at their throats too ... been so long can't remember ...


be safe... I heard their running out of things for our health care people to be safe from this virus ... if there where only enough machines for chest xrays i heard that is the best way to know with this ... again thank you :heart:
Edited by mysticalview21 on Sat 03/14/20 05:04 PM
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Blondey111

Sun 03/15/20 01:09 AM


waving Blondy ... Have a ?

I remember years ago bout this time of year ...my daughter always got strep 103 fever ... always came out of the blue ... and being a older mom always scared the crap out of me ... for her ... she was between the ages of 5...6...7 ...
oh so scared once took her to the emergency rm ... becouse I heard some boy got a strain of it and died just like that ... one minute he was fine nxt mom said died in the bath rm ...once he got home from school...


now with these High Temps of 103 ...do you know ...


how they might tell the difference just by taking temps and having them mark with that temp of 103 ... strep was always contagious too ... but if you kept things clean in your home disinfected ... adults did not get it ... always kept hands clean too ... I believe she was given meds for it ... think it was a antibiotic and kids tylenol and motrin...I had to give her ... but could count on the darn thing every yr ... if her temp was 103 ... I guess they look at their throats too ... been so long can't remember ...


be safe... I heard their running out of things for our health care people to be safe from this virus ... if there where only enough machines for chest xrays i heard that is the best way to know with this ... again thank you :heart:
hi mystical waving streptococcus bacteria can cause A wide spectrum of infections in both children and adults . The bacteria releases toxins into the blood stream which can travel anywhere in the body causing havoc . As you said it is highly contagious especially in schools , daycare centres and crowded social groups . Without knowing his case history I would just be guessing but we know untreated or partially treated strep bacterial infections s can result in. Pneumonia ., bacterial meningitis , rheumatic fever all of which can be fatal and sudden in a young person . (Bacterial Meningitis especially ) . In the case of tonsillitis associated with a strep infection. It is common for multiple presentations In children usually ending with removal of tonsils ( tonsillitis can have other causes ) . It all comes down to individual host immunity and genetics . Bacterial infections are generally diagnosed through diagnostic tests including respiratory complex swabs , sputum culture , blood tests to culture the bacteria and determine which antibiotic it is sensitive to, blood counts to assess white and red blood cell differentials chest X-rays /scans depending on symptoms / case history .

Keep in mind sore throats can also be caused by viral infections (influenza can cause a sore throat )!. It is also possible to have a viral and bacterial infection at the same time .

As for your question about temperature .. sorry I am not sure what you are asking me ???
103 is roughly 39.4 degrees Celsius which in. Most cases would be considered a high grade fever requiring some form of diagnostic intervention . Temps over 40 can contribute to neurological changes , convulsions/seizures , increased work of breathing / respiratory distress and haemodynamic compromise .

Are you referring to fever associated with bacterial strep infections ??? I am a little tired tonight and my brain is having a mal function. Lol flowerforyou



Edited by Blondey111 on Sun 03/15/20 01:10 AM
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Mon 03/16/20 04:08 PM



waving Blondy ... Have a ?

I remember years ago bout this time of year ...my daughter always got strep 103 fever ... always came out of the blue ... and being a older mom always scared the crap out of me ... for her ... she was between the ages of 5...6...7 ...
oh so scared once took her to the emergency rm ... becouse I heard some boy got a strain of it and died just like that ... one minute he was fine nxt mom said died in the bath rm ...once he got home from school...


now with these High Temps of 103 ...do you know ...


how they might tell the difference just by taking temps and having them mark with that temp of 103 ... strep was always contagious too ... but if you kept things clean in your home disinfected ... adults did not get it ... always kept hands clean too ... I believe she was given meds for it ... think it was a antibiotic and kids tylenol and motrin...I had to give her ... but could count on the darn thing every yr ... if her temp was 103 ... I guess they look at their throats too ... been so long can't remember ...


be safe... I heard their running out of things for our health care people to be safe from this virus ... if there where only enough machines for chest xrays i heard that is the best way to know with this ... again thank you :heart:
hi mystical waving streptococcus bacteria can cause A wide spectrum of infections in both children and adults . The bacteria releases toxins into the blood stream which can travel anywhere in the body causing havoc . As you said it is highly contagious especially in schools , daycare centres and crowded social groups . Without knowing his case history I would just be guessing but we know untreated or partially treated strep bacterial infections s can result in. Pneumonia ., bacterial meningitis , rheumatic fever all of which can be fatal and sudden in a young person . (Bacterial Meningitis especially ) . In the case of tonsillitis associated with a strep infection. It is common for multiple presentations In children usually ending with removal of tonsils ( tonsillitis can have other causes ) . It all comes down to individual host immunity and genetics . Bacterial infections are generally diagnosed through diagnostic tests including respiratory complex swabs , sputum culture , blood tests to culture the bacteria and determine which antibiotic it is sensitive to, blood counts to assess white and red blood cell differentials chest X-rays /scans depending on symptoms / case history .

Keep in mind sore throats can also be caused by viral infections (influenza can cause a sore throat )!. It is also possible to have a viral and bacterial infection at the same time .

As for your question about temperature .. sorry I am not sure what you are asking me ???
103 is roughly 39.4 degrees Celsius which in. Most cases would be considered a high grade fever requiring some form of diagnostic intervention . Temps over 40 can contribute to neurological changes , convulsions/seizures , increased work of breathing / respiratory distress and haemodynamic compromise .

Are you referring to fever associated with bacterial strep infections ??? I am a little tired tonight and my brain is having a mal function. Lol flowerforyou




Blondy thanks so much flowerforyou I am sure working and helping in here ...can be a little overload ... this might help some ...
gosh I just heard they are starting to run out of cotton shaves... for testing ... again thank you ...TCBSafe :heart:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fsymptoms.html
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Blondey111

Mon 03/16/20 04:48 PM




waving Blondy ... Have a ?

I remember years ago bout this time of year ...my daughter always got strep 103 fever ... always came out of the blue ... and being a older mom always scared the crap out of me ... for her ... she was between the ages of 5...6...7 ...
oh so scared once took her to the emergency rm ... becouse I heard some boy got a strain of it and died just like that ... one minute he was fine nxt mom said died in the bath rm ...once he got home from school...


now with these High Temps of 103 ...do you know ...


how they might tell the difference just by taking temps and having them mark with that temp of 103 ... strep was always contagious too ... but if you kept things clean in your home disinfected ... adults did not get it ... always kept hands clean too ... I believe she was given meds for it ... think it was a antibiotic and kids tylenol and motrin...I had to give her ... but could count on the darn thing every yr ... if her temp was 103 ... I guess they look at their throats too ... been so long can't remember ...


be safe... I heard their running out of things for our health care people to be safe from this virus ... if there where only enough machines for chest xrays i heard that is the best way to know with this ... again thank you :heart:
hi mystical waving streptococcus bacteria can cause A wide spectrum of infections in both children and adults . The bacteria releases toxins into the blood stream which can travel anywhere in the body causing havoc . As you said it is highly contagious especially in schools , daycare centres and crowded social groups . Without knowing his case history I would just be guessing but we know untreated or partially treated strep bacterial infections s can result in. Pneumonia ., bacterial meningitis , rheumatic fever all of which can be fatal and sudden in a young person . (Bacterial Meningitis especially ) . In the case of tonsillitis associated with a strep infection. It is common for multiple presentations In children usually ending with removal of tonsils ( tonsillitis can have other causes ) . It all comes down to individual host immunity and genetics . Bacterial infections are generally diagnosed through diagnostic tests including respiratory complex swabs , sputum culture , blood tests to culture the bacteria and determine which antibiotic it is sensitive to, blood counts to assess white and red blood cell differentials chest X-rays /scans depending on symptoms / case history .

Keep in mind sore throats can also be caused by viral infections (influenza can cause a sore throat )!. It is also possible to have a viral and bacterial infection at the same time .

As for your question about temperature .. sorry I am not sure what you are asking me ???
103 is roughly 39.4 degrees Celsius which in. Most cases would be considered a high grade fever requiring some form of diagnostic intervention . Temps over 40 can contribute to neurological changes , convulsions/seizures , increased work of breathing / respiratory distress and haemodynamic compromise .

Are you referring to fever associated with bacterial strep infections ??? I am a little tired tonight and my brain is having a mal function. Lol flowerforyou




Blondy thanks so much flowerforyou I am sure working and helping in here ...can be a little overload ... this might help some ...
gosh I just heard they are starting to run out of cotton shaves... for testing ... again thank you ...TCBSafe :heart:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fsymptoms.html
hi mystical .. thanks .. I have seen all of the CDC recommendations and guidelines before but I am sure others will be interested in reading them :/) .

Although travel and tourism is taking a hit .. the production of health related equipment and supplies is booming lol waving





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SpaceCodet

Mon 03/16/20 06:28 PM

104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.
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Blondey111

Mon 03/16/20 10:15 PM


104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.
only if you wish to induce peripheral vasoconstriction .. shivering and discomfort .

There is little scientific evidence that applying a “cold “ cloth reduces fever and can in fact be contraindicated .

A “tepid “ cloth might temporarily give some comfort but is unlikely to reset core temp regulation .

In most cases ... a temp greater than 38.5 should be medically assessed to determine cause and recommended treatment waving



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mysticalview21

Tue 03/17/20 10:12 AM

waving I ran across this post this morn ...
what a great idea moving forward if this works ...





Italian hospital saves Covid-19 patients lives by 3D printing valves for reanimation devices
The supply chain was broken, people and 3D printing rose to the occasion... totally brilliant...


https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/covid-19-3d-printed-valve-for-reanimation-device/?fbclid=IwAR2hjZZsr9d3t0s9HITEabCOKa-amTgnCYndXMKH5MitRO9l5GHB4RG5kSY
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Tue 03/17/20 01:50 PM



104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.
only if you wish to induce peripheral vasoconstriction .. shivering and discomfort .

There is little scientific evidence that applying a “cold “ cloth reduces fever and can in fact be contraindicated .

A “tepid “ cloth might temporarily give some comfort but is unlikely to reset core temp regulation .

In most cases ... a temp greater than 38.5 should be medically assessed to determine cause and recommended treatment waving

Your brain starts to boil like an egg. If you don't remove the heat you'll get brain damage. 105F will kill a person if the fever goes to long. Using a cloth in cold water applied to the forehead does remove heat. You need to rinse and replace every minute-n-half. Ice packs are way better. In the hospital They put you in a bath tube and pore ice on you.

Yes, this is ancient medical techniques that modern medicine says to ignore. So you can ignore anything I say.



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Blondey111

Tue 03/17/20 03:34 PM




104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.
only if you wish to induce peripheral vasoconstriction .. shivering and discomfort .

There is little scientific evidence that applying a “cold “ cloth reduces fever and can in fact be contraindicated .

A “tepid “ cloth might temporarily give some comfort but is unlikely to reset core temp regulation .

In most cases ... a temp greater than 38.5 should be medically assessed to determine cause and recommended treatment waving

Your brain starts to boil like an egg. If you don't remove the heat you'll get brain damage. 105F will kill a person if the fever goes to long. Using a cloth in cold water applied to the forehead does remove heat. You need to rinse and replace every minute-n-half. Ice packs are way better. In the hospital They put you in a bath tube and pore ice on you.

Yes, this is ancient medical techniques that modern medicine says to ignore. So you can ignore anything I say.




you may be surprised to hear this but hospitals have specialised cooling blankets..

ice baths ??? where are you getting your information from ???

If you had something worthwhile to Contribute I would not ignore it :wink:
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Dodo_David

Tue 03/17/20 03:42 PM


104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.


huh 104F is when you desperately need to be in an emergency room.
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Blondey111

Tue 03/17/20 03:44 PM

Recent Epidemiology report issued to Uk and USA governments


http://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
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SpaceCodet

Tue 03/17/20 08:07 PM





104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.
only if you wish to induce peripheral vasoconstriction .. shivering and discomfort .

There is little scientific evidence that applying a “cold “ cloth reduces fever and can in fact be contraindicated .

A “tepid “ cloth might temporarily give some comfort but is unlikely to reset core temp regulation .

In most cases ... a temp greater than 38.5 should be medically assessed to determine cause and recommended treatment waving

Your brain starts to boil like an egg. If you don't remove the heat you'll get brain damage. 105F will kill a person if the fever goes to long. Using a cloth in cold water applied to the forehead does remove heat. You need to rinse and replace every minute-n-half. Ice packs are way better. In the hospital They put you in a bath tube and pore ice on you.

Yes, this is ancient medical techniques that modern medicine says to ignore. So you can ignore anything I say.




you may be surprised to hear this but hospitals have specialised cooling blankets..

ice baths ??? where are you getting your information from ???

If you had something worthwhile to Contribute I would not ignore it :wink:


As I said, "This is anchant." Only the new and improved stuff matters today. If it's not sold by a big corporation it's no good. Everything I learned about nursing comes from the Dark Ages of modern medicine when things didn't come in a plastic bag. Things like a WW1 EKG machine and such I learned to operate. So what I know is void.
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Wed 03/18/20 03:43 PM

I just had a thought ... watching out for our corona-virus 19...


it just started to hit us here... I am sure others have it but don't know it yet ... testing is slow ... guess becouse the test kits... have not gotten to us yet ... but heard things people need for the homeless ... if u could donate tents ... non perishable food ... and lots of water ... in bottles ... and have places where these people can use the rest rm ... in your city's ...
thought about some of the triage places that could be set up in city's and towns ... football stadiums... baseball ... gulf courses ... anything thing that can hold people who can not get into a hospital that is over crowded ...

never thought I would say this in the USA but needed doctors with out boarders ... there are so many places street people set up their tents as it is ... but dont chase them out ... or tell them to pack up so the streets can be cleaned an can return ... but if u give them lots of porta potties can be used in some places where the homeless stay... they move they may carry the virus to other areas...
I believe ideas would help city's now ... and ck on your older neighbors ...families or those that might be ill from other illnesses now ... I hate to have to say this ... but I remembered those from years ago ... where they had to bury the dead in piles and so much disease ran through these city's... as others got ill ... this was yrs ago ... but I believe when someone dies of this illness we should be prepared to bury a vast majority
if the family's can not afford it ... need plans for this and help ... and they say blood is needed ... running very low ...make a appt if u can and are not ill... I am not panicking just trying to think of things that will help ... some docs do face time so u dont have to go in ... good idea for those truck food venders ... that are giving back I saw that ,.. cool ... I heard young kids being home schooled now ... take it slow get into a same time during the day ... pick a place in your home... where your children can do this homework ... in one place all the time... most of all stay on the government to get these Items that are an when needed ... only way to stop it going around and around ... right now i can't think of anything I may have missed or not said already ... stay well ... and safe ... and all those hospitals nurses doctors... care givers ... huge thank you ... know this did not make your jobs any easier ...
your thought to add ...
Edited by mysticalview21 on Wed 03/18/20 03:52 PM
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Wed 03/18/20 03:45 PM



104F is when you need to apply cold compresses or the classic washcloth in cool water and, put it on their forehead to draw out the heat. Could take hours of doing that before the fever drops or breaks.


huh 104F is when you desperately need to be in an emergency room.


:thumbsup: and cold baths ...
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Wed 03/18/20 05:11 PM

I just heard this will hit fifty percent of us... mainly the elderly...with other underlines illnesses ... an
thanks to those news casters... who get these specialist to speak on this virus ... now the reason they say this is becouse other country have been tested ...where we have not ... so that is why their counts are higher ...


and others are dying alone ... if u are spiritual ... just know you are not alone ...

this is like other countries where people die all the time of hungers an not having the medications or food like we do ... again don't panic ... just help others when u can ... be kind ... and ck in Blondy when u can ... let us know ur ok ... thanks
Edited by mysticalview21 on Wed 03/18/20 05:13 PM