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ivegotthegirth

Fri 03/25/22 11:02 PM


The president has very little real power. He does not rule by edict. He does not control the price of gas, illegal immigration, or the gun grime rate.

Ell, I remember when gas was twenty-five cents a gallon. I suppose I should blame Eisenhower, Kennedy, and everyone that came after them, every time I fill up my Corvette or pick-up.



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Bart

Sat 03/26/22 06:21 AM


The president has very little real power. He does not rule by edict. He does not control the price of gas, illegal immigration, or the gun grime rate.

Ell, I remember when gas was twenty-five cents a gallon. I suppose I should blame Eisenhower, Kennedy, and everyone that came after them, every time I fill up my Corvette or pick-up.

I know for some people reality is hard to grasp but let’s break it down. It’s taken 100 plus years for the price of gas to climb to around $2.50 a gallon. Except for a temporary increase during Carters and Obama time in this office
( both democrats btw) now it’s over $4 a gallon. A increase of almost double in 1year. That is not because of price gouging or Putins action. It’s because of the liberals ridiculous claims that the world will end in 9 years if we don’t eliminate fossil fuels now… You are right about one thing. THIS president has very little power and he proves it every day.
Edited by Bart on Sat 03/26/22 06:22 AM
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Smartazzjohn

Sat 03/26/22 08:41 AM




Perhaps you have a very short memory or are also anti-facts.
Trump is just a figurehead but has already produced clones and I'm afraid we'll be fighting them for the foreseeable future.
You'll be able to recognize them easily, they'll be posing with dead fish.............



Really? You have to resort to me posing with fish as a retort to the actual fact that YOU incessantly mention Trump and that he is obviously living in your head? Pathetically juvenile.

I wasn't a fan, and I'm still not a fan, of Trump's rhetoric. Personally I didn't/don't watch his rallies because I didn't/don't like listening to him. I'm not a fan of Biden either so I don't listen to him because I don't believe what he's reading from a teleprompter that someone else wrote....and also largely because I feel bad for him since he seems to be in cognitive decline.

But unlike some people I don't care about personalities of ANY president, I care about RESULTS OF THEIR POLICIES.

What are facts about what has RESULTED since the Biden administrations instituted policies:
1)There has been a dramatic increase in ILLEGAL crossings at the southern border.
2)There has been a dramatic increase in gas and oil prices.....which the Biden administration blamed initially on "big oil". Now it's being blamed on Putin.
3)Inflation, which was originally called "transitory" AKA temporary, by the Biden administration has continued to increase at decade high rates. Now it's being blamed on Putin.

No matter what happens Biden and his administration gaslights and plays the "blame game" for EVERY problem that is the RESULT of policies THEY enacted.

Now Biden is saying that sanctions DON'T deter when questioned by the media during his European trip when his spokespeople have said publicly MANY times that sanctions were deterrents. Now since the sanctions DIDN'T have the deterrent effect of the original rhetoric the rhetoric is changing.

I'm no ones clone...I'm an independent person who isn't a zealot to any political party or a lapdog who defends or condemns any politician based on political affiliation.

See the problems that I can’t get around is what problems are a DIRECT result of each president and which are partially inherited?
Of course he had a hand in it but we also know he was going to be a “green” president. Gas would price were going to be an issue.
I drive a motorcycle and get 50mph cost me $7 a week to commute so idc raise the gas lol



In your original post you wrote:
"Tru,p where’s the wall? Biden why do we still have student loans?"

Well the wall WAS being built after going through some law suits trying to stop it while Trump was president. The answer to what happened to the wall NOT being completes shouldn't be addressed to Trump, it should be addressed to Biden.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-stopped-construction-trumps-border-060359881.html

Among the first 17 executive orders President Biden signed Wednesday evening was one hitting "pause" on construction of former President Donald Trump's border wall. "It shall be the policy of my administration that no more American taxpayer dollars be diverted to construct a border wall," Biden's order said. "I am also directing a careful review of all resources appropriated or redirected to construct a southern border wall."

Biden gave the Pentagon and Homeland Security departments up to a week to stop all border construction, and for the most part, the frantic wall-building Trump had unleashed in his last months in office had stopped by Thursday, The Associated Press reports. The Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday it told its contractors to stop installing any additional barriers and do only what's "necessary to safely prepare each site for a suspension of work."

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There is the answer to the question "where's the wall". Finding answers to questions isn't difficult even with minimal effort.

And while you can use a motorcycle to commute so the increase of gas prices don't bother you, your option ISN'T feasible in most states where fall, winter and early spring temperatures are below freezing. It's also NOT feasible for parents, the elderly, handicapped people or even Uber drivers who are quitting because of gas prices.
For most people gas prices are an issue especially for construction contractors who are spending over a hundred bucks to fill their work trucks. Is that laughable to you because it doesn't affect you the same way?
Edited by Smartazzjohn on Sat 03/26/22 09:01 AM
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some_what_pushover

Sat 03/26/22 09:54 AM





Perhaps you have a very short memory or are also anti-facts.
Trump is just a figurehead but has already produced clones and I'm afraid we'll be fighting them for the foreseeable future.
You'll be able to recognize them easily, they'll be posing with dead fish.............



Really? You have to resort to me posing with fish as a retort to the actual fact that YOU incessantly mention Trump and that he is obviously living in your head? Pathetically juvenile.

I wasn't a fan, and I'm still not a fan, of Trump's rhetoric. Personally I didn't/don't watch his rallies because I didn't/don't like listening to him. I'm not a fan of Biden either so I don't listen to him because I don't believe what he's reading from a teleprompter that someone else wrote....and also largely because I feel bad for him since he seems to be in cognitive decline.

But unlike some people I don't care about personalities of ANY president, I care about RESULTS OF THEIR POLICIES.

What are facts about what has RESULTED since the Biden administrations instituted policies:
1)There has been a dramatic increase in ILLEGAL crossings at the southern border.
2)There has been a dramatic increase in gas and oil prices.....which the Biden administration blamed initially on "big oil". Now it's being blamed on Putin.
3)Inflation, which was originally called "transitory" AKA temporary, by the Biden administration has continued to increase at decade high rates. Now it's being blamed on Putin.

No matter what happens Biden and his administration gaslights and plays the "blame game" for EVERY problem that is the RESULT of policies THEY enacted.

Now Biden is saying that sanctions DON'T deter when questioned by the media during his European trip when his spokespeople have said publicly MANY times that sanctions were deterrents. Now since the sanctions DIDN'T have the deterrent effect of the original rhetoric the rhetoric is changing.

I'm no ones clone...I'm an independent person who isn't a zealot to any political party or a lapdog who defends or condemns any politician based on political affiliation.

See the problems that I can’t get around is what problems are a DIRECT result of each president and which are partially inherited?
Of course he had a hand in it but we also know he was going to be a “green” president. Gas would price were going to be an issue.
I drive a motorcycle and get 50mph cost me $7 a week to commute so idc raise the gas lol



In your original post you wrote:
"Tru,p where’s the wall? Biden why do we still have student loans?"

Well the wall WAS being built after going through some law suits trying to stop it while Trump was president. The answer to what happened to the wall NOT being completes shouldn't be addressed to Trump, it should be addressed to Biden.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-stopped-construction-trumps-border-060359881.html

Among the first 17 executive orders President Biden signed Wednesday evening was one hitting "pause" on construction of former President Donald Trump's border wall. "It shall be the policy of my administration that no more American taxpayer dollars be diverted to construct a border wall," Biden's order said. "I am also directing a careful review of all resources appropriated or redirected to construct a southern border wall."

Biden gave the Pentagon and Homeland Security departments up to a week to stop all border construction, and for the most part, the frantic wall-building Trump had unleashed in his last months in office had stopped by Thursday, The Associated Press reports. The Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday it told its contractors to stop installing any additional barriers and do only what's "necessary to safely prepare each site for a suspension of work."

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There is the answer to the question "where's the wall". Finding answers to questions isn't difficult even with minimal effort.

And while you can use a motorcycle to commute so the increase of gas prices don't bother you, your option ISN'T feasible in most states where fall, winter and early spring temperatures are below freezing. It's also NOT feasible for parents, the elderly, handicapped people or even Uber drivers who are quitting because of gas prices.
For most people gas prices are an issue especially for construction contractors who are spending over a hundred bucks to fill their work trucks. Is that laughable to you because it doesn't affect you the same way?

Take it easy man! The last part about the motorcycle was clearly a joke! Gas price increase affects everyone. Such as when truckers are transporting goods which result is cost being passed on to the consumer.

But for the other part, it seems like you are backing up what I was saying. I said since when does a president fulfill all their promise? Ie Trump wall and Biden loans. And your response mentioned that Trump was blocked by lawsuits. (Checks and balances right? President doesn’t have absolute power) Then apparently Biden was supposed to complete Trump’s wall?
So instead of holding our politicians accountable, only the opposing side brings up questions while the others make defense for their guy.

I would agree with you in that border security is an issue. I believe most people would agreee that they want a safe country. But where we differ is HOW to go about doing it. I think a wall is a large waste of resources. Especially when many are coming through via tunnels, bribes, and corruption of even our own people.

Last,y when people stop fighting each other about trivial stuff like whose part of which gang, that’s when we can come together and tell our government to fix stuff for us WHICH IS THE WHOLE REASON WE PAY THESE PEOPLE!
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Smartazzjohn

Sat 03/26/22 01:06 PM


I see nothing humorous about the gas prices especially since the people most affected are middle and lower income people. It's not a joking matter and those who say the solution is to "buy an electric vehicle" are out of touch with the reality that MOST people live. Suggesting that middle and lower income people just go buy a 50K to 100K EV have no clue or don't care that less than 40 percent of Americans would be able to cover an unexpected $1,000 expense.
You asked what happened to Trump's wall.....I explained WHY it isn't complete. Biden DIDN'T have to build anything nor did he have to stop the wall construction.
He also DIDN'T have to get rid of the "stay in Mexico" policy.
Numbers don't lie, and the numbers show who's policies reduced illegal crossings and what happened when those policies were reversed.
Time lines don't lie either and all anyone has to do is look at when gas and oil prices increased with relationship to the change in policies.
As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???
Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions.
I've been poor, there was a time I struggled to feed my family and I KNEW I had to "fix" that situation myself which I did. I'm not wealthy now but I have saved enough money, and continue to save even though I'm retired, that it would be a quite while before I'd be desperate.
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Redrider1500

Sat 03/26/22 01:27 PM




And while you can use a motorcycle to commute so the increase of gas prices don't bother you, your option ISN'T feasible in most states where fall, winter and early spring temperatures are below freezing. It's also NOT feasible for parents, the elderly, handicapped people or even Uber drivers who are quitting because of gas prices.
For most people gas prices are an issue especially for construction contractors who are spending over a hundred bucks to fill their work trucks. Is that laughable to you because it doesn't affect you the same way?


I ride, and am a contractor. Towing a trailer does afford me to ride to work 3-4 days a week, which I will do when the weather breaks. It doesn't mean I'm happy with the gas prices. Some needed work won't get done. Most wanted work that pays better will get postponed. Hires won't happen ether.

All courtesy of those Ducky dems.
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some_what_pushover

Sat 03/26/22 04:46 PM



I see nothing humorous about the gas prices especially since the people most affected are middle and lower income people. It's not a joking matter and those who say the solution is to "buy an electric vehicle" are out of touch with the reality that MOST people live. Suggesting that middle and lower income people just go buy a 50K to 100K EV have no clue or don't care that less than 40 percent of Americans would be able to cover an unexpected $1,000 expense.
You asked what happened to Trump's wall.....I explained WHY it isn't complete. Biden DIDN'T have to build anything nor did he have to stop the wall construction.
He also DIDN'T have to get rid of the "stay in Mexico" policy.
Numbers don't lie, and the numbers show who's policies reduced illegal crossings and what happened when those policies were reversed.
Time lines don't lie either and all anyone has to do is look at when gas and oil prices increased with relationship to the change in policies.
As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???
Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions.
I've been poor, there was a time I struggled to feed my family and I KNEW I had to "fix" that situation myself which I did. I'm not wealthy now but I have saved enough money, and continue to save even though I'm retired, that it would be a quite while before I'd be desperate.

You don’t see anything humorous? Lol everything has humor in it. But I’m guessing you’re more serious. That’s cool. Enjoy that.

BUT I’m not sure if you would agree but gasoline is a finite resource which will eventually run out. So instead of everyone rushing to get electric then some can transition now. I don’t know where you got the $1000 expense but it has also been cheaper to charge a car rather than buy gas.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/19/cost-of-charging-ev-vs-gas-prices.html

While wall may be a deterrent, they often provide a sense security rather than actually stopping crime. It’s like locking your car door. Car thieves can easily pick your lock but locking it makes us feel better.

But again I think you missed my point about the wall. So I’ll just let it go.

As far as waiting for the government to fix things, I thought that was the whole point of the government? I mean me and you can’t do everything for all of American which is why we elect people to take care of things for us right?
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motowndowntown

Sat 03/26/22 05:07 PM

"As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???"

1. The Great wall of China didn't keep the Mongols out.

2. Putting up a wall around a building or gated community of houses is a completely different thing than building one across the entire border between the U.S. and Mexico. And where are you going to get the people to man it???


"Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions."

So take personal responsibility and buy a smaller car or take public transportation.

Living in a community means bearing your share of the burden of supporting that community. That means all members of the community not just the ones you think are deserving.
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Bart

Sat 03/26/22 05:55 PM


"As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???"

1. The Great wall of China didn't keep the Mongols out.

2. Putting up a wall around a building or gated community of houses is a completely different thing than building one across the entire border between the U.S. and Mexico. And where are you going to get the people to man it???


"Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions."

So take personal responsibility and buy a smaller car or take public transportation.

Living in a community means bearing your share of the burden of supporting that community. That means all members of the community not just the ones you think are deserving.

That is the purpose of the wall, to keep immigrants from crossing at that area. But it doesn’t work with the huge gaps that Biden left behind. Everything Biden gets involved with gets something left behind( people, artillery, tons of steel that was already paid for)… not many immigrants toting 20ft. extension Ladders to the border with them…Supporting a community as in paying income taxes, sales tax, state gas tax, that’s a lot of support so I’ll keep driving my truck with the hemi and the ‘F… Joe Biden’ bumper sticker.
Edited by Bart on Sat 03/26/22 05:57 PM
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Smartazzjohn

Sat 03/26/22 06:53 PM


"As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???"

1. The Great wall of China didn't keep the Mongols out.

2. Putting up a wall around a building or gated community of houses is a completely different thing than building one across the entire border between the U.S. and Mexico. And where are you going to get the people to man it???


"Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions."

So take personal responsibility and buy a smaller car or take public transportation.

Living in a community means bearing your share of the burden of supporting that community. That means all members of the community not just the ones you think are deserving.


You DON'T have to man the wall......electronic surveillance in conjunction with a wall would GREATLY reduce illegal crossings. Many people who oppose the wall say electronic surveillance alone is all that is needed.....which may tell you how many people are entering the country illegally but will do NOTHING to stop the flow of people.
In case you don't know...there have been advancements in technology and border barriers since the Great Wall of China was built......just look at border security in Israel.

Some people don't have public transportation available, some people need vehicles capable of loading a person in a wheel chair, some people need a truck or larger vehicle for work. That doesn't even take into consideration the risk of taking public transportation.....like the crime on NYC subways.

Heck the LA police just issues a warning to people who wear expensive jewelry saying they may be the target of thieves.....now people are basically being told it's their fault if they are the victim of a crime.

My responsibility to my community is to support myself and my burden is to pay my taxes.....it's not my responsibility to support societal parasites in my community. And who is it that YOU suggest determines who is "deserving" of my financial support? Should drug addicts or alcoholics determine that I'm financially responsible for them? Should people who DON'T WANT to work determine that financially that I'm responsible financially for them? Should people who have children they can't afford determine that I'm financially responsible for them?

Communism has been tried and it has resulted in a less prosperous society because too many people abandon personal responsibility for a couple reasons. The major reason is because upward mobility through hard work as an individual is unachievable....your value in society is determined by the elites.
Bernie Sanders once said "bread lines" are a good thing.....do you agree with him????

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Unknow

Sun 03/27/22 02:04 AM



"As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???"

1. The Great wall of China didn't keep the Mongols out.

2. Putting up a wall around a building or gated community of houses is a completely different thing than building one across the entire border between the U.S. and Mexico. And where are you going to get the people to man it???


"Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions."

So take personal responsibility and buy a smaller car or take public transportation.

Living in a community means bearing your share of the burden of supporting that community. That means all members of the community not just the ones you think are deserving.


You DON'T have to man the wall......electronic surveillance in conjunction with a wall would GREATLY reduce illegal crossings. Many people who oppose the wall say electronic surveillance alone is all that is needed.....which may tell you how many people are entering the country illegally but will do NOTHING to stop the flow of people.
In case you don't know...there have been advancements in technology and border barriers since the Great Wall of China was built......just look at border security in Israel.

Some people don't have public transportation available, some people need vehicles capable of loading a person in a wheel chair, some people need a truck or larger vehicle for work. That doesn't even take into consideration the risk of taking public transportation.....like the crime on NYC subways.

Heck the LA police just issues a warning to people who wear expensive jewelry saying they may be the target of thieves.....now people are basically being told it's their fault if they are the victim of a crime.

My responsibility to my community is to support myself and my burden is to pay my taxes.....it's not my responsibility to support societal parasites in my community. And who is it that YOU suggest determines who is "deserving" of my financial support? Should drug addicts or alcoholics determine that I'm financially responsible for them? Should people who DON'T WANT to work determine that financially that I'm responsible financially for them? Should people who have children they can't afford determine that I'm financially responsible for them?

Communism has been tried and it has resulted in a less prosperous society because too many people abandon personal responsibility for a couple reasons. The major reason is because upward mobility through hard work as an individual is unachievable....your value in society is determined by the elites.
Bernie Sanders once said "bread lines" are a good thing.....do you agree with him????



Well with hard work within the party you can climb the ladder. It doesn't matter what political system it is.
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Smartazzjohn

Sun 03/27/22 09:31 AM




I see nothing humorous about the gas prices especially since the people most affected are middle and lower income people. It's not a joking matter and those who say the solution is to "buy an electric vehicle" are out of touch with the reality that MOST people live. Suggesting that middle and lower income people just go buy a 50K to 100K EV have no clue or don't care that less than 40 percent of Americans would be able to cover an unexpected $1,000 expense.
You asked what happened to Trump's wall.....I explained WHY it isn't complete. Biden DIDN'T have to build anything nor did he have to stop the wall construction.
He also DIDN'T have to get rid of the "stay in Mexico" policy.
Numbers don't lie, and the numbers show who's policies reduced illegal crossings and what happened when those policies were reversed.
Time lines don't lie either and all anyone has to do is look at when gas and oil prices increased with relationship to the change in policies.
As far as "the wall" goes if a physical barriers didn't work why do rich people live in gated communities and or have walls around their properties? Why was there a fence put up in Washington DC around congressional building by the SAME people who claim physical barriers don't work???
Perhaps people expecting or waiting for "our government to fix stuff for us" rather than taking personal responsibility is part of what is wrong today. Personal responsibility starts with making decisions but it doesn't end with someone else, or the government, paying for those decisions.
I've been poor, there was a time I struggled to feed my family and I KNEW I had to "fix" that situation myself which I did. I'm not wealthy now but I have saved enough money, and continue to save even though I'm retired, that it would be a quite while before I'd be desperate.

You don’t see anything humorous? Lol everything has humor in it. But I’m guessing you’re more serious. That’s cool. Enjoy that.

BUT I’m not sure if you would agree but gasoline is a finite resource which will eventually run out. So instead of everyone rushing to get electric then some can transition now. I don’t know where you got the $1000 expense but it has also been cheaper to charge a car rather than buy gas.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/19/cost-of-charging-ev-vs-gas-prices.html

While wall may be a deterrent, they often provide a sense security rather than actually stopping crime. It’s like locking your car door. Car thieves can easily pick your lock but locking it makes us feel better.

But again I think you missed my point about the wall. So I’ll just let it go.

As far as waiting for the government to fix things, I thought that was the whole point of the government? I mean me and you can’t do everything for all of American which is why we elect people to take care of things for us right?



It's not hard to find information if you look for it....here is a source, the same source you used about the cost of charging an EV rather than buying gas:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

I agree it's cheaper to drive an EV a 100 miles compared to gas vehicle. But that doesn't change the fact that most middle and lower income people can't afford an EV. If a person can't afford an EV the cost of charging one is irrelevant which means they have one of two choices. They can quit driving or they can buy gasoline. I actually want to see a future with mostly zero emission vehicles being used.....but I'm more concerned about the present hardships being face by middle and lower income people.

I thought the original whole point of government was to protect people, from enemies both foreign and domestic. While I understand why the federal government has expanded from it's original purpose to improve the lives of people I'm don't like the direction some want the government to go.....and that is making people dependent on government. When adults become a dependent they lose their independence, freedom and control. It's no different than when younger children are more easily controlled when they are more dependent on their parents and as they get older their freedoms increase as their dependence decreases.
I have no problem with helping people who ACTUALLY can't help themselves, my problem is with people who WON'T help themselves and the government enabling people not helping themselves.

I find a lot of things humorous, in fact I find many of the ridiculous things people say on forums humorous, many that aren't worth responding to because of their ridiculousness. I'm not talking about you, if fact I think we would have a spirited conversation if we were to meet in person and find a few things to laugh about. I also respect the fact you haven't resorted to personal insults.
Edited by Smartazzjohn on Sun 03/27/22 09:36 AM
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motowndowntown

Sun 03/27/22 12:19 PM

Electronic surveillance? So you can watch people use a five dollar ladder to climb over a multi billion dollar wall? Then what? Send over a million dollar drone to bomb them?
And WhTF wants to live in Israel?

Take personal responsibility; Gas prices too high? No public transportation? Move closer to where you work and walk. Start your own bus system. And leave more gas for me and my Corvette to spew even more pollutants into the air.

Don't want your tax money going to support alcoholics, drug dependents, and people who have children they can't afford? Why not throw widows, orphans, people with disabilities, the old, and folks with life threatening illnesses into the mix?

It's a dog eat dog world. Only the fit, born into the right circumstances, the right race, under the right flag, deserve to survive. Right?
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Bart

Sun 03/27/22 01:21 PM


Electronic surveillance? So you can watch people use a five dollar ladder to climb over a multi billion dollar wall? Then what? Send over a million dollar drone to bomb them?
And WhTF wants to live in Israel?

Take personal responsibility; Gas prices too high? No public transportation? Move closer to where you work and walk. Start your own bus system. And leave more gas for me and my Corvette to spew even more pollutants into the air.

Don't want your tax money going to support alcoholics, drug dependents, and people who have children they can't afford? Why not throw widows, orphans, people with disabilities, the old, and folks with life threatening illnesses into the mix?

It's a dog eat dog world. Only the fit, born into the right circumstances, the right race, under the right flag, deserve to survive. Right?

Talk about swimming in the shallow end ? Lol, more like dog paddling in the kiddie pool. I don’t see how , even in my best try to think like a libtard, how you can decipher above post into what you just said. Totally absurd!
Edited by Bart on Sun 03/27/22 01:24 PM
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Smartazzjohn

Sun 03/27/22 02:31 PM


Electronic surveillance? So you can watch people use a five dollar ladder to climb over a multi billion dollar wall? Then what? Send over a million dollar drone to bomb them?
And WhTF wants to live in Israel?

Take personal responsibility; Gas prices too high? No public transportation? Move closer to where you work and walk. Start your own bus system. And leave more gas for me and my Corvette to spew even more pollutants into the air.

Don't want your tax money going to support alcoholics, drug dependents, and people who have children they can't afford? Why not born into the right circumstances

It's a dog eat dog world. Only the fit, born into the right circumstances, the right race, under the right flag, deserve to survive. Right?


It's obvious you have no clue what a ladder costs. A step stool that's less than 30 inches costs 26 bucks at Target. A 20 foot extension ladder is well over 200 bucks.
I didn't say ANYTHING about using a drone to bomb people crossing the border or moving to Israel.
Why did you bring such absurdities to the discussion?

Are you suggesting that construction contractors relocate to each job so they are "closer" to where they work? Where should farmer, who actually live where they work, move to so that gas prices aren't an issue? Perhaps they should use non fuel equipment like an oxen and plow instead of a tractor?

I didn't say ANYTHING about not using tax dollars to help people who CAN'T help themselves, that's why I didn't "throw widows, orphans, people with disabilities, the old, and folks with life threatening illnesses into the mix." I was talking about societal parasites who expect OTHER people to pay for their decisions. In case you can't figure it out on your own having a handicap or getting old isn't a decision. Once again, why did you bring such absurdities to the discussion?
Addictions are a problem for some people and there are plenty of FREE options for people to overcome their addiction...but it takes personal responsibility to seek help. Yeah there is that crazy idea of personal responsibility again.

I have no problem helping people, in fact I have donated 3 vehicles to the Purple Heart to benefit others...even though I was unable to deduct the value of my donation since I no longer itemize my tax return. Did you know you can't deduct the value of "non-cash" charitable donations if you don't itemize a tax return?

I'm an immigrant, I wasn't "born into the right circumstances", I worked hard for what I have. As a kid there were other kids who weren't allowed to play with me because of my parents accent, I have faced discrimination despite being white. I have no use for bigots, racists or anyone who judges people based on their appearance.
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catinidaho

Sun 03/27/22 03:00 PM

In the political threads, seeing the same people often, I think they mostly love to argue.
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Unknow

Sun 03/27/22 03:05 PM


In the political threads, seeing the same people often, I think they mostly love to argue.


Folks trying to change the world from an armchair. I'm on the far right side
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motowndowntown

Mon 03/28/22 12:39 PM

Okay, price of gas; I remember when it was .25. Sometimes it would go up to .37 or even .40. Course folks made a lot less then. Minimum wage was about $1.10. Twenty K a year was considered a very good salary. Cars averaged 15mpg or less.

Lets just move a decimal point; 2.50 to 3.90.

Now folks for the most part are earning a lot more. Minimum wage is $7.50 and places are having trouble hiring at $15.00 or $18.00 starting. That's 15 or 36k a year. And cars are getting a lot better MPG. Ell my Corvette gets over 20 on the hyway in sixth gear.

Gas has gone up from $2.60 to $3.90 or $4.00. Lets move the decimal again .26 to .40.

It's called inflation.

And no self respecting illegal immigrant is going to buy a ladder at Home Depot. He'll make one out of scrap wood and tie it together with torn up shirts..

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some_what_pushover

Mon 03/28/22 06:42 PM





It's not hard to find information if you look for it....here is a source, the same source you used about the cost of charging an EV rather than buying gas:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

I agree it's cheaper to drive an EV a 100 miles compared to gas vehicle. But that doesn't change the fact that most middle and lower income people can't afford an EV. If a person can't afford an EV the cost of charging one is irrelevant which means they have one of two choices. They can quit driving or they can buy gasoline. I actually want to see a future with mostly zero emission vehicles being used.....but I'm more concerned about the present hardships being face by middle and lower income people.

I thought the original whole point of government was to protect people, from enemies both foreign and domestic. While I understand why the federal government has expanded from it's original purpose to improve the lives of people I'm don't like the direction some want the government to go.....and that is making people dependent on government. When adults become a dependent they lose their independence, freedom and control. It's no different than when younger children are more easily controlled when they are more dependent on their parents and as they get older their freedoms increase as their dependence decreases.
I have no problem with helping people who ACTUALLY can't help themselves, my problem is with people who WON'T help themselves and the government enabling people not helping themselves.

I find a lot of things humorous, in fact I find many of the ridiculous things people say on forums humorous, many that aren't worth responding to because of their ridiculousness. I'm not talking about you, if fact I think we would have a spirited conversation if we were to meet in person and find a few things to laugh about. I also respect the fact you haven't resorted to personal insults.


I don’t think I know enough about car prices to comment further. You might be right but when I look up the price of a new 2022 Prius it MsRP for $25000 with 56mpg but a Corolla of the same year goes for $5000 less with 30mpg. Now with most people making car payments wouldn’t the hybrid be a more affordable long term deal? ( I ask because honestly I have never paid more than $3000 for a vehicle and I never bought a vehicle I I couldn’t pay cash for)

I love electric cars but that’s not available to all. The technology is too expensive for most and it is definitely more of a status symbol to own one. As a new Tesla is like $60000. But it’s one of things that if more people got into hybrids and electric (if they can afford it) they sees like it would lessen our dependency on gas and on foreign gas infrastructure. Good right?

I don’t think anyone enjoys a system where people leech off of the rest of us unless you are someone that is leeching. So what you said about certain people taking even though they can earn on their own isn’t a debatable topic. Most I think would agree from lower to upper class but especially lower! You work 8 hours at a shitty job to see someone doing as well or even better than you without doing anything? Hell no!

I’ll equate it to the gun debate. When people try to put restrictions on guns and welfare, the automatic response is that the government is trying to take it all away. So there is such a big push back. When it’s not the topic.

However I think the government has gotten much better with welfare in the black community (even though they could still do much better!) They we’re outright trying to keep blacks dependent on welfare by doing things such as keeping men out of the home and disqualifying homes with certain appliances. It’s bad now but it was much worse before
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Smartazzjohn

Tue 03/29/22 10:32 AM


Okay, price of gas; I remember when it was .25. Sometimes it would go up to .37 or even .40. Course folks made a lot less then. Minimum wage was about $1.10. Twenty K a year was considered a very good salary. Cars averaged 15mpg or less.

Lets just move a decimal point; 2.50 to 3.90.

Now folks for the most part are earning a lot more. Minimum wage is $7.50 and places are having trouble hiring at $15.00 or $18.00 starting. That's 15 or 36k a year. And cars are getting a lot better MPG. Ell my Corvette gets over 20 on the hyway in sixth gear.

Gas has gone up from $2.60 to $3.90 or $4.00. Lets move the decimal again .26 to .40.

It's called inflation.

And no self respecting illegal immigrant is going to buy a ladder at Home Depot. He'll make one out of scrap wood and tie it together with torn up shirts..




Inflation is the problem. I also remember gas at .25 and when the price started increasing at basically the current rate. Oh yeah the not so good 70's and 80's.

In both the 1970s and 1980s, the United States was pushed into a recession caused by an oil embargo by OPEC against the country. Remember the gas lines? One of the effects of the embargo was hyperinflation, which meant that the price of goods and services rose extremely fast.
To counteract hyperinflation, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. While this meant more money being paid by banks for "saving accounts" it also dramatically increased the cost of borrowing money. Mortgage interest rates reached their highest point in modern history in 1981 when the annual average was over 16%....I remember my boss who told me I was making a mistake for getting a 9% mortgage in the 70's actually admitted he was wrong and it was good decision.

Fast forward to today....the supply of oil and gas has decreased which is causing the same inflation rate we experience on the price of gas...pretty much the same rate it increased at in the 70's. The inflation in gas prices, and petroleum based products, has cause an increase the inflation rate in entire economy The inflation rate caused by gas and oil shortages that pushed the US into recessions the 70's and early 80's.

The inflation of oil and gas prices goes well beyond people who drive.....it effects every sector of the economy. Personally I don't want to revisit the 70's or 80's.

As for the price of a ladder....I'm not the one who brought it to the discussion, YOU DID by saying they were 5 dollars. Remember???? LOL
Edited by Smartazzjohn on Tue 03/29/22 11:00 AM