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LUNG1954

Tue 12/27/22 10:17 PM

No one said; Israel Should Be 'Wiped Off Map. This is Israeli propaganda.
Israel attacked Lebanon, attacked Syria repeatedly, and threatened Iran
With Iran and world powers close to reaching a nuclear deal, Israeli security officials called on the army to prepare for possible military action against Iran. In an interview with the Hebrew newspaper "Israel Hayom", the former head of the Political and Military Affairs Office in the Ministry of Defense, Amos Gilad, and the former National Security Adviser, retired Major General Yaakov Amidror, said: "The efforts made to prevent the nuclear agreement at this stage will not yield any result."
The Iranian president responded to the Israeli threats to his country by offering advice to Tel Aviv. He said: We advise Israel not to launch any aggression because it may no longer exist and we cannot be prevented from nuclear technology
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Unknow

Wed 12/28/22 08:26 PM


No one said; Israel Should Be 'Wiped Off Map. This is Israeli propaganda.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6AG1OqeItI

"As long as America continues its wickedness, the Iranian nation will not abandon 'Death to America'," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told a gathering of Iranian Air Force officers marking the 40th anniversary of Iran's Islamic Revolution, according to his official website.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/26/iraqs-parliament-criminalises-normalization-with-israel

Iraq’s parliament has passed a law that makes it a crime to normalise ties with Israel, and violations of the law can be punishable with a death sentence or life imprisonment.

The law, titled “Criminalising Normalisation and Establishment of Relations with the Zionist Entity”, was approved on Thursday with 275 legislators voting in favour of it in Iraq’s 329-seat assembly.

propaganda yeh right. right from the leaders mouth
yet now the people are starting to revolt so wait and see what happens
Edited by Unknow on Wed 12/28/22 08:36 PM
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LUNG1954

Wed 12/28/22 09:01 PM

Muslims don’t try to destroy Israel. Iran and all Arab countries say; the two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict envisions is the best.
It was reported in 2009 that although polls had consistently shown Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement.
This solution also enjoys majority support in Israeli polls, but Israel refuses it.
The UN voted 105 to 4 to recognize the Palestinians' right to self- determination, and to grant the PLO observer status within the UN itself. Only Israel and the US, along with US-dependent Bolivia and the Dominican Republic, voted against the resolution. It was a major defeat for US policy.

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Unknow

Thu 12/29/22 11:51 AM

there will be no two state, in isreal. it never happen. so i dont worry about it.
i know
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LUNG1954

Fri 12/30/22 12:01 AM

In 1974, a UN resolution on the "Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine" called for "two States, Israel and Palestine … side by side within secure and recognized borders" together with "a just resolution of the refugee question in conformity with UN resolution 194". The borders of the state of Palestine would be "based on the pre-1967 borders". The latest resolution, in November 2013, was passed 165 to 6, with 6 abstentions; with Israel and the United States voting against.
There have been many diplomatic efforts to realize a two-state solution, starting from the 1991 Madrid Conference. There followed the 1993 Oslo Accords and the failed 2000 Camp David Summit followed by the Taba negotiations in early 2001. In 2002, the Arab League proposed the Arab Peace Initiative. The latest initiative, which also failed, was the 2013–14 peace talks.
On 29 November 2012, the UN General Assembly voted by 138 to 9, with 46 abstentions to recognize Palestine as a "non-member observer state". On the following day, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu announced the building of 3,000 new homes on land to the east of East Jerusalem, in an area referred to as "E-1". The move was immediately criticized by several countries, including the United States, with Israeli ambassadors being personally called for meetings with government representatives in the UK, France and Germany, among others. Israel's decision to build the homes was described by the Obama administration as "counterproductive", while Australia said that the building plans "threaten the viability of a two-state solution".
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LUNG1954

Sat 12/31/22 04:57 AM

Israel and Palestine
Israelis began immigrating to Palestine when it was under Ottoman rule (1516-1917). The first Israeli settlement was established in 1882. A year later the term Zionism appeared.
In 1909, the city of Tel Aviv was established for Israelis only. With the end of World War I, in which the Ottomans were defeated, the Sykes-Picot agreement was secretly concluded between Britain and France to divide the Arab lands that were under Ottoman rule between them. In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration, which pledged to establish a national home for the Jews in Palestine. Palestine became under the British Mandate from 1948 to 1920: Jewish immigration to Palestine doubled, Britain allowed the establishment of Israeli military forces and prevented Palestinians from acquiring weapons. In 1923, 3% of the area of Palestine became owned by the Israelis, and they constituted 12% of the population. The percentage of the Jewish population increased in 1939 to 30%, controlling 5.7% of the area of Palestine. In 1947, the United Nations recommended dividing Palestine by 56.5% of the lands for the State of Israel, and 43% for the Palestinian State, and Jerusalem would remain under international supervision, in preparation for the British withdrawal. Israeli forces began attacking villages north of Tel Aviv, and committed a massacre in a village near Haifa. And invaded a large part of the lands allocated to the Palestinian state. On May 15, 1948, the end of the British Mandate and the establishment of the State of Israel were officially announced, with the recognition of US President Harry Truman.
After the 1948 war, the Israeli forces acquired lands belonging to the Palestinian state.
After the 1967 war, Israel occupied Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula. And built settlements in the occupied territories. In 1977 it encouraged settlement in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Oslo agreement in 1993
It stipulated the establishment of Palestinian self-government. Israel did not withdraw from the West Bank. Negotiations between the Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority collapsed. The visit of the Israeli Minister of Defense to Al-Aqsa Mosque led to the second Palestinian Intifada in 2000. The Israeli army launched a military operation in the occupied West Bank, and the separation wall was built to prevent Palestinian militants from entering Israel. The separation wall crossed the borders of the cease-fire line agreed upon in 1967, and annexed new Palestinian lands to Israel.
In 2003, the United Nations, Russia, America and the European Union put forward a road map that was accepted by the Palestinian Authority and Israel, calling for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and for freezing settlement construction in the West Bank. By 2005, Israel withdrew its forces from the Gaza Strip, retaining control over the air strip, its ports and border crossings. The Israeli blockade on Gaza intensified. And 7 new Israeli settlements were established, one in the vicinity of East Jerusalem and six in the West Bank.
The deal of the century
On January 29, 2020, US President Trump announced his plan to draw clear borders between Israel and Palestine, with Jerusalem as an undivided capital that belongs entirely to Israel.
The future borders of Palestine will be scattered parts linked by bridges and tunnels, with only parts of East Jerusalem as its capital. With the permission to build Israeli settlements within the Palestinian borders.
The Palestinian Authority rejected the deal of the century and is still demanding the cease-fire borders agreed upon in 1967, although Israel did not abide by those borders, nor did it abide by the limits of the Oslo Accords thereafter.
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Sat 12/31/22 12:40 PM

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LUNG1954

Sat 12/31/22 08:38 PM


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꧁༺ ❀❀ 2023 ❀❀ ༻꧂

@LUNG :pray:


Thanks
Happy New 2023 to you too
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LUNG1954

Sun 01/01/23 12:39 AM

Amnesty International released a report making a 280-page case that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians constitutes apartheid.
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JulieABush

Sun 01/01/23 03:34 AM

Even though I stand with Israel I truly question if they’re still God’s chosen because if they are then they better start acting like they are. If they truly want to stop being hated and persecuted then they better stop the persecution of the Palestinians. Some of those they kill I see are children and young adults so what do you have to say for yourself Israel?
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LUNG1954

Sun 01/01/23 09:38 PM

Israeli soldiers or settlers have killed 25 Palestinians under 18 since the start of the year, a rights group says.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/10/palestinian-child-shot-by-israeli-army-in-jenin-dies-from-wounds

Officials tell Haaretz newspaper that Israel was behind August 7 attack near Jabalia refugee camp, contradicting earlier claims.
Israeli defence officials have confirmed that an Israeli raid on a Gaza cemetery killed five Palestinian children during its assault in early August, according to a new report, contradicting previous statements senior military officials made to local media.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/16/israel-behind-gaza-strike-that-killed-children-report

Three days of Israeli bombardment in Gaza killed at least 44 Palestinians, including 16 children.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/8/the-names-and-faces-of-the-15-children-killed-in-gaza

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LUNG1954

Sun 01/01/23 09:57 PM

2022 BECOMES THE DEADLIEST YEAR FOR PALESTINIAN CHILDREN IN THE WEST BANK IN OVER 15 YEARS
The number of children killed by Israeli security forces and settlers in the occupied West Bank has doubled this year to 34, following the shooting of two teenage boys in consecutive days, Save the Children said today.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/2022-becomes-the-deadliest-year-for-palestinian-children-in-west

In April 2021, Human Rights Watch concluded in a 213-page report that Israeli authorities are committing the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution against millions of Palestinians. Human Rights Watch reached this determination based on a finding of an overarching Israeli government policy to maintain the domination by Jewish Israelis over Palestinians across Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT), as well as grave abuses committed against Palestinians living in the OPT, including East Jerusalem.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/12/12/israel-submission-un-committee-rights-child
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LUNG1954

Mon 01/02/23 12:37 AM


Even though I stand with Israel I truly question if they’re still God’s chosen because if they are then they better start acting like they are. If they truly want to stop being hated and persecuted then they better stop the persecution of the Palestinians. Some of those they kill I see are children and young adults so what do you have to say for yourself Israel?


The Jews claimed to be God's chosen people
According to the Israel Democracy Institute, about two-thirds of Israeli Jews believe that Jews are the "chosen people".
The Torah mentioned Israel in the sense of the Children of Israel a lot, but it also mentions that the foreign believer is treated as the believer from the Children of Israel. Today, however, there is confusion between the Israelis during the era of Moses, and the Jews as adherents of a religion.
The feeling of superiority over all creatures is a chronic disease of the Jewish nation, as their distorted Torah mentioned: “For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth’’.
They built on that their contempt for other nations, then they went to great lengths in their claim that they have the right to control the world as long as they are the children of God and His beloved.
The invalidity of this claim:
The Jews acknowledge the punishment of God, if they are the children of God, then He does not punish them. And since He tortures them, they are not his children or his loved ones.
God said in the Quran:
‘Those who disbelieved of the Children of Israel were cursed by the tongue of (Prophets) David and Jesus, the son of Mary, because they disobeyed and transgressed.’
‘They did not forbid one another from the wrongdoing they were committing. Evil is what they were doing.’
‘Say: 'O you who are Jews, if you claim that of all people, you alone are the guided by Allah [God], then long for death if you are truthful! But, because of what their hands forwarded they will never long for it. Allah knows the harm doers.’

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JulieABush

Mon 01/02/23 03:15 AM

Right on Lung:thumbsup: .
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LUNG1954

Mon 01/09/23 02:59 AM


Extremist organizations in Israel
In Israel, 63 extremist organizations have followed all means to threaten the lives of Palestinians, their property, and their sanctuaries. Some of them adopted Nazi ideas that called for confronting the Arab population and treating them with the harshest forms of oppression, racial discrimination and terrorism.
Most of them were founded or supported by famous rabbis. Some of them receive financial support and energy from Israeli far-right parties.
Some of them, especially graduates of religious schools, believe in the imminence of salvation in the advent of the Messiah, and that the Messiah will only come by destroying Al-Aqsa Mosque and building the Temple. The Jewish terrorist organization Tamarod, which includes young men between the ages of 16 and 25, burned down a house of Palestinian family, killing three of its members. And burned The Church of the Bread and Fish on the shores of the Sea of Galilee (Lake Tiberias).
Among the most prominent of these organizations are:
The Temple Institute: Its founder, Ariel, was famous for his fatwas that justified the destruction and extermination of Arab property and the liquidation of their presence in Palestine.
The Kach movement: Its extremist followers, Goodman, carried out an attack on Al-Aqsa in 1982.
Kahana Hay movement: linked to the Hebron massacre.
Young Israel: ignited a bloody clash with the Arab population of Islamic sites. The rabbi's son was accused of shooting at a crowd of Palestinians in the Old City of Jerusalem.
Movement to return the crown to what it was: fanatical youth, to seize homes in Jerusalem. And carried out bloody clashes with the Arab population of Jerusalem.
Josh Amunim: The Faith Gathering. It calls for the imposition of sovereignty for all Palestinian lands, especially Jerusalem.
Hashmonim group: most of its members who completed military service in the Israeli army. This group attempted to blow up the Dome of the Rock in July of 1982.
Tsumit Movement: its surplus is Raphael Eitan when he was the Chief of Staff of the Israeli army. He was one of the most extremist Jews in using violence against Arabs.
Elad Association: an active arm of settlement and Judaization policies in Jerusalem. It has huge budgets. It works to seize Palestinian real estate in Jerusalem and settle it with settlers, and to control archaeological sites.
Emtierzo Organization: Founded in 2006 in the Hebrew Universities. It calls for the killing of Arab students or their expulsion from Hebrew universities, and the expulsion of Arab teachers and even left-wing Jews
Atira Alyoshna Association: It was active in removing Palestinian tenants from real estate and settling Jewish families instead. The Israel Lands Administration authorized it to administer endowments so that it became an official settlement instrument.
Children of the Hills: most of them are young people who did not succeed in an educational framework. They carry out attacks against Palestinians
Homesh Movement First: They demand the return of the Homesh settlement, evacuated since 2005. They storm the settlement under the protection of the Israeli army and attack the Palestinians and their property.
The Jewish Secret Organization; It carried out several operations against the Palestinians, and also participated in the assassination of mayors.
A secret organization within the army: it tried to bomb Al-Aqsa from the air to drive it out of existence.
Revenge Unit and the Fist and Barricade Organization: Security Forces from the Israeli Army, and Senior Political Figures Working Behind the Scenes. Two terrorist groups against the Arab population.
Return to the Mountain: Founded in 2012, it works to activate the storming of Al-Aqsa Mosque.

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Fri 01/13/23 04:10 PM


Yeah it does and is. It also is the cause of many wars.

But it also gives comfort in hard times, a social group to belong to, a way of making sense out of a crazy world, and a reason for life to many.

No problem with religion until the religious movement starts forcing ideas and religious beliefs in my personal life. Religion has no scientific basis for its foundation. It’s based upon the emotional state of faith. I don’t live my life on faith I live it on scientific data and facts that are changing by the minute with the advances in technology and science. Live and let live people.
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Fri 01/13/23 04:23 PM


Reasonable atheists eventually become theists because they are reasonable; and furthermore, because they are honest. They are willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads; and in many cases the evidence comes to the atheist most coherently and well-presented through the writings of believers in God.
Author Karen Edmisten admits on her blog:
“I once thought I’d be a lifelong atheist. Then I became desperately unhappy, read up on philosophy and various religions (while assiduously avoiding Christianity), and waited for something to make sense. I was initially appalled when Christianity began to look like the sensible thing, surprised when I wanted to be baptized, and stunned that I ended up a Catholic.”

This is not factually correct. Just as in religion, many people do not understand anything about atheism. U r one. Comparing atheism to any connection with any Gods is ridiculous. Stop it!!! U sound like a cute Trumpist.
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Jaysmith

Mon 05/15/23 04:51 PM

If religion is scam, then education, government, democracy are all scam. Because there is always an atom of scam in every facets of human existence because we are humans. So instead of looking at the negative outcome of institutions like religion, ask first what's the objective likewise in education, government and other similar cases
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LUNG1954

Tue 05/16/23 04:53 AM


Hi Rick
Now there are no religions forcing ideas.
If religion has no scientific basis for its foundation what are the scientific basis for atheism?
Could advances in technology and science tell you when, where and how you will die?
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LUNG1954

Tue 05/16/23 05:12 AM

Atheism Is Inconsistent with the Scientific Method, Prizewinning Physicist Says
In conversation, the 2019 Templeton Prize winner does not pull punches on the limits of science, the value of humility and the irrationality of nonbelief
Across his 35-year scientific career, Gleiser’s research has covered a wide breadth of topics, ranging from the properties of the early universe to the behavior of fundamental particles and the origins of life. He is also the first Latin American to receive the prize.
He said;
To me, science is one way of connecting with the mystery of existence. And if you think of it that way, the mystery of existence is something that we have wondered about ever since people began asking questions about who we are and where we come from. So while those questions are now part of scientific research, they are much, much older than science. I’m not talking about the science of materials, or high-temperature superconductivity, which is awesome and super important, but that’s not the kind of science I’m doing. I’m talking about science as part of a much grander and older sort of questioning about who we are in the big picture of the universe. To me, as a theoretical physicist and also someone who spends time out in the mountains, this sort of questioning offers a deeply spiritual connection with the world, through my mind and through my body. Einstein would have said the same thing, I think, with his cosmic religious feeling.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/atheism-is-inconsistent-with-the-scientific-method-prizewinning-physicist-says/