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ToBeDamnedOrNotToBe

Tue 05/16/23 12:08 PM

Religion is used to manipule people, to attain certain self centered goals. It serves the leaders and distroys the followers reasons why its dogmatic.



To me it's no different than laws, but I can also see how it helps people and guides them in life.

You don't have to be religious to see that and to be fair people often feel lost when life is kicking them.

There will always be people in and out of religion that manipulate others.

I don't anything wrong with having goals in this life.
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Etsin

Tue 05/16/23 01:42 PM

If god is defined so as to have no observable manifestations, then it makes no sense to say anything about such proposed entity. Or if god has observable manifestations, then god's existence is an empirical matter, and such an extraordinary hypothesis requires extraordinarily strong empirical evidence to support it. 
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LUNG1954

Wed 05/17/23 12:46 AM


If god is defined so as to have no observable manifestations, then it makes no sense to say anything about such proposed entity. Or if god has observable manifestations, then god's existence is an empirical matter, and such an extraordinary hypothesis requires extraordinarily strong empirical evidence to support it. 


God is not a body. He is strong power creates the universe. We know Him by mind and by His effects. You lives by your soul which is not seen but it is real. When you lose it you die.
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LUNG1954

Fri 05/19/23 12:37 AM



Reasonable atheists eventually become theists because they are reasonable; and furthermore, because they are honest. They are willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads; and in many cases the evidence comes to the atheist most coherently and well-presented through the writings of believers in God.
Author Karen Edmisten admits on her blog:
“I once thought I’d be a lifelong atheist. Then I became desperately unhappy, read up on philosophy and various religions (while assiduously avoiding Christianity), and waited for something to make sense. I was initially appalled when Christianity began to look like the sensible thing, surprised when I wanted to be baptized, and stunned that I ended up a Catholic.”

This is not factually correct. Just as in religion, many people do not understand anything about atheism. U r one. Comparing atheism to any connection with any Gods is ridiculous. Stop it!!! U sound like a cute Trumpist.

Why Atheists Change Their Mind: 8 Common Factors
1. GOOD LITERATURE AND REASONABLE WRITING.
2. “EXPERIMENTATION” WITH PRAYER AND THE WORD OF GOD.
3. HISTORICAL STUDY OF THE GOSPELS.
4. HONEST PHILOSOPHICAL REASONING.
5. REASONABLE BELIEVERS.
6. MODERN ADVANCES AND LIMITATIONS IN SCIENCE.
7. EVIDENCE FOR THE RESURRECTION.
8. BEAUTY


https://www.wordonfire.org/articles/fellows/why-atheists-change-their-mind-8-common-factors/
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LUNG1954

Sun 05/21/23 12:42 AM

God has no physical body or gender, has no shape, no physical hand, no leg, no face, no visible appearance, does not change in time, nor does He occupy a physical place.

What does the throne of God look like, according to the Bible?
The Bible says that even “the heaven of the heavens” cannot contain him, so God does not sit on a literal throne. (1King s 8:27) He is described, symbolically, sitting on a throne to represent his royal authority and sovereignty.
In Revelation the apostle John describes the glowing magnificence of God’s presence and the serenity surrounding his throne is symbolic terms.
The Quran says: "Eyes comprehend Him not, but He comprehends all eyes. He is the All-Subtle (penetrating everything no matter how small), the All-Aware."
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Ward

Sun 05/21/23 07:02 AM


If we say that religion is a scam, shouldn't we also say the life is a scam?

No we shouldn't (obviously).
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LUNG1954

Mon 05/22/23 11:07 PM

The Mental Health Benefits of Religion & Spirituality

Religion gives people something to believe in, provides a sense of structure and typically offers a group of people to connect with over similar beliefs. These facets can have a large positive impact on mental health — research suggests that religiosity reduces suicide rates, alcoholism and drug use.


https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/December-2016/The-Mental-Health-Benefits-of-Religion-Spiritual#:~:text=Religion%20gives%20people%20something%20to,rates%2C%20alcoholism%20and%20drug%20use.

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LUNG1954

Sat 05/27/23 12:32 AM

God's relationship with creatures
God is the Creator and Preserver of all things. From the smallest plants and animals to the planets in their rotation. And he arranges things carefully to complete his wise intentions.
From The Bible:
John 1:3 . ‘’All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.’’

God Is The Creator of Everything That Exists

https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_the_creator_of_everything_that_exists

From the Quran: ‘’Allah [God] is the Creator of all things, and of all things He is the Guardian.’’
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LUNG1954

Wed 06/07/23 05:45 AM


God did not beget, He is not a father has a son.
Father in the Bible
The father’s word was mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew, about the time of the resurrection (24/36): ‘’But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.’’
In ESV "… not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
In NLT “… angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
In MSG "… heaven's angels, not even the Son. Only the Father knows.
In CSB "… neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son -except the Father only.’’
There is a great difference between (my father) and the father.
The Father is the traditional image of the Lord, for no one has seen Him, for He is a Spirit, He dwells in the heavens, He is unapproachable, incorruptible, ever-working, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, powerful, and glorious, the work His will is important to inherit the kingdom.
There are several meanings for the word father:
Father a name applied (1) to any ancestor ( Deuteronomy 1:11 ; 1 Kings 15:11 ; Matthew 3:9 ; 23:30 , etc.). (2) as a title of respect to a chief, ruler, or elder, etc. ( Judges 17:10 ; 18:19 ; 1 Samuel 10:12 ; 2 Kings 2:12 ; Matthew 23:9 , etc.). (3) The author or beginner of anything is also so called; e.g., Jabal and Jubal ( Genesis 4:20 Genesis 4:21 ; Compare Job 38:28 ).
Applied to God ( Exodus 4:22 ; Deuteronomy 32:6 ; 2 Sam 7:14 ; Psalms 89:27 Psalms 89:28 , etc.).
As denoting his covenant relation to the Jews ( Jeremiah 31:9 ; Isaiah 63:16 ; 64:8 ; John 8:41 , etc.).
Believers are called God's "sons" ( John 1:12 ; Romans 8:16 ; Matthew 6:4 Matthew 6:8 Matthew 6:15 Matthew 6:18 ; Matthew 10:20 Matthew 10:29 ). They also call him "Father" ( Romans 1:7 ; 1 Corinthians 1:3 ; 2 co 1:2 ; Galatians 1:4.

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LUNG1954

Fri 06/09/23 01:40 AM

God has no son
Son in the Bible
An Arabic Christian website mentioned the following:
We do not believe at all that Jesus is - the Son of God in physical terms. Christians use the phrase "Son of God" to describe Jesus in a metaphorical and spiritual way. It does mean that Jesus has the attributes and deeds of God, just as the son shares the characteristics of his father and has his powers.
In the Gospels, Jesus called two of his disciples, James and John, “the sons of thunder.” For these two disciples had a fiery nature and great zeal as the nature of thunder.
Jesus said to his disciples shortly before his death:
‘’Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light … While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.” (John 12:35-36).
Jesus means that if we believe in Him and His words and apply His teachings in our lives, the true light enters our hearts, and we become a light to the world.
The birth of Jesus is a miracle.
Mary was afraid. “ But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.’’ “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’’ (Luke 1:30-35)
Jesus is the word of God brought by the Holy Spirit, and was born of a virgin without knowing a man. His birth depended on God's power and eternal purpose, and this means that Jesus is more than just a human being or an ordinary prophet.
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Ɔʎɹɐx

Fri 06/09/23 08:44 AM

All religions are scam except for Islam where mules have wings and can fly from Saudi Arabia to Jerusalem and then to the outer space
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dust4fun

Fri 06/09/23 10:13 PM


God has no son
Son in the Bible
An Arabic Christian website mentioned the following:
We do not believe at all that Jesus is - the Son of God in physical terms. Christians use the phrase "Son of God" to describe Jesus in a metaphorical and spiritual way. It does mean that Jesus has the attributes and deeds of God, just as the son shares the characteristics of his father and has his powers.
In the Gospels, Jesus called two of his disciples, James and John, “the sons of thunder.” For these two disciples had a fiery nature and great zeal as the nature of thunder.
Jesus said to his disciples shortly before his death:
‘’Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light … While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.” (John 12:35-36).
Jesus means that if we believe in Him and His words and apply His teachings in our lives, the true light enters our hearts, and we become a light to the world.
The birth of Jesus is a miracle.
Mary was afraid. “ But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.’’ “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’’ (Luke 1:30-35)
Jesus is the word of God brought by the Holy Spirit, and was born of a virgin without knowing a man. His birth depended on God's power and eternal purpose, and this means that Jesus is more than just a human being or an ordinary prophet.


Basically this is saying if you believe something it must be true, that we should throw out all logic and believe in fairy tales. Mary was certainly not a "virgin". Just for "make believe" sake let's pretend there is a "god" which in most likely hood would have absolutely no human like qualities as he would have existed long before any humans would have ever existed. Now why this "god" would have "created" Jesus as the messenger is very far fetched. There are plenty of religions that started long before Christianity and yet there are many that believe only in the stories that have been created in the last 2000 years. Jesus pretty much sold snake oil to not very bright people, basically he practiced witch craft, a scam artist, and there was good reason to crucify him as was pretty common practice of the time. He was not all that special, could pretty much compare him to what Hitler was trying to do but in a more advanced time. Religion is power, the bigger the group you can obtain the more power (control) you can have, so they form a pyramid scheme where they get lower level people to recruit more people. This is done with false promises (just like politics). Sure Santa and the Easter Bunny are real, but then you are one day disappointed when you wake up and there are no presents or Easter baskets. Ironically these holidays have been highjacked by Christians. Jesus is not the "reason for the season". Has nothing to do with his birthday, just away to promote their religion by altering others beliefs. It's all a fairy tail writen by not so special people over time that has come to be believed by many people as fact when it is clearly fiction. Not that religion doesn't have some good points, as does government, but along with the good comes some bad things. It's not bad to pretend you are living in a fairytale as long as you know it's just a fairy tail.
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LUNG1954

Sat 06/10/23 12:22 AM

The problem of religion lies in its followers and in the behavior of some clerics, not in the religion itself.
All religions preach mercy, respect, equality, generosity and peace. However, over the years, followers of many religions have begun to deviate from the actual teachings of these religions. Their spirituality, which links religious actions to their purpose and meaning in life, is beginning to wane. For example, nowadays many religiously defined people lie, despite the fact that all religions prohibit lying. Prayer has become a routine and is not a deterrent to any evil.
Under certain circumstances, Jews, Christians and Muslims can commit acts of violence. Some of them may be so intolerant that they view their religion as the best, and they may commit acts of violence to spread their religion.
Although much literature has been produced highlighting the strengths and benefits of religion, many authors in the West have linked people's problems to religion.
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LUNG1954

Tue 06/13/23 12:20 AM

We understand from the foregoing that Christianity believes that God is one and is not the father of anyone and has no son. This is consistent with the Qur'an:
‘’Say: He is Allah [God], the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.’’
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LUNG1954

Thu 06/15/23 01:12 AM

The Quran says:
‘’There is no crawling creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but they are nations like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book. They shall all be gathered before their Lord. ‘’
The Quran makes it clear: All animals, excluding humans, are given by God to believe in the instinctive nature, and guide them to sustenance through instinct.
And every one of those many nations that God created in the universe praises Him, but no one understands the languages of those nations. Scientists are trying to discover the language of fish, discover the secrets of the kingdom of bees, and study the behavior of ants with a grain of wheat, and how the ant breaks germination cells from the seed, because germination destroys the ant house. When one ant finds food, then goes to summon a group of ants that are able to move the large piece of food. Some of the ants pull the piece and others pushe it to walk towards the ant house. Scientists wondered: how do ants have this ability to determine mass, size and weight? It is from the power of God, who was created and destined to guide.
The birds build the nest and furnish it with the softest things, they do it with good mastery and in a way that humans may not be able to do the same. So all creatures are nations like us in terms of livelihood, deadlines, and deeds. All of them will be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection. And after every creature other than humans and jinn takes its right, it becomes dust.
Scientifically, vertebrate animals include: fish, reptiles, amphibians, and mammals. They constitute about 4% of the total animal species; the rest are invertebrates.
Scientists have estimated the number of animal species on Earth from 1-2 million and there are more than 10,000 trillion ants alive. The number of insects may reach (10 billion billion). Knowing that 86% of the lands and 91% of the seas have not yet been described.
God distinguished man from all beings with his brain. Man has learned to simulate beings; So Cain learned from the crow how to bury his brother. The aircraft designer learned from the studying of birds flying.
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LUNG1954

Fri 06/16/23 10:34 PM

Scientists Tune in to Fish Speech
The past year saw a flurry of research documenting a phenomenon that fishers and scientists have known for centuries: Fish are surprisingly chatty creatures. “If you think about a lot of fish common names, [like] croakers and grunts,” says Audrey Looby, a doctoral candidate at the University of Florida, “all those types of fish are named after the sounds they make to communicate.” One such creature, dubbed the pigfish, even snorts like a pig, she adds.
Yet these fish have long been considered outliers, says Cornell University biologist Aaron Rice. He’s one of the scientists challenging that assumption. In a study published in January 2022, Rice mapped sound-producing species onto a family tree and showed that at least 175 families of ray-finned fishes — the largest and most diverse fish group — contain a species that communicates via sound.
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Unknow

Sat 06/17/23 12:22 AM

the problem with religion is a lot of people can not explain it right nor no how to.

A religion has to have 3 things

100 percent past
100 percent present
100 percent future.

there is only one religion out there does all 3 christian religion.

however christian prophecy tells the future before it happens if you know how to read the bible that is. and it nice to see 20 years ago what i read then as prophecy is playing out in the news today.

as the world gets worse more and more signs will be given before the rapture.

and the rapture will happen when jesus will pull all people that believes in him as the son of god. and he is thier saviour, th rest will go enter the 7 year tribulation.

2 John 1
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

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Sat 06/17/23 01:56 AM

Organised Religion Scam

Scammers know no bounds in devicing means specially designed to squeeze out money out of the pockets of their followers, more so, they have conviniently created schemes to carry out their illegal trade under the guise of religion.

Faith is such a powerful motivator, but when a healthy dose of gullibilty meets with a significantly charismatic and dramatic fellow, you've got one big mess!

How This Scam Works
Religious scammers often exploit the gullibility of unsuspecting followers by brandishing the Bible or Quran or any other Holy book for that matter and quoting texts and  verses thereof, in a desperate attempt to make them (their followers) believe that blessings, riches, forgiveness, prosperity, health, success and in fact, all good things will come to them ONLY IF they part with their money or property.
They search the scriptures, looking for quotable quotes that can be used to make merchandise of men. Some of their favourites are those scriptures dealing with giving first-fruits to priests.
Sometimes, such scammers threaten that God will take away even the little they (their followers) have or even visit them with calamities if they don't obey and surrender their money.
They sell out healing oils, 'Blessed water', 'Annointed' handkerchief, 'Sleep well' Pillows, Stickers for protection etc. at high prices.
There is the "ember-month spirit" fallacy which has been widely propagated by religious scammers which involves frightening followers with death, accidents or other vices if they don't pay to 'god' for deliverance.

Warning Signs
When your religious leader is always overly eager to preach about giving out your money or properties.
The religious leader lives an elaborate or expensive lifestyle while members of the same flock or the immediate community languish in poverty and want.
When your religious leader starts offering Financial or Investment advice to followers. The spiritual house ought to be a place of worship and not a financial advisory body or an investment house.

How To Protect Yourself
Study any Holy book applicable to you, in order to know the real truth so you wouldn't be deceived.
When in doubt of an investment scheme introduced by your religious leader, contact your financial advisor or a trusted family member or friend for clarification.
Apply logic and reason before swallowing - hook, line, and sinker all stories told by a religious leader before taking actions.
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LUNG1954

Sun 06/18/23 12:39 AM


the problem with religion is a lot of people can not explain it right nor no how to.

as the world gets worse more and more signs will be given before the rapture.

and the rapture will happen when jesus will pull all people that believes in him as the son of god. and he is thier saviour, th rest will go enter the 7 year tribulation.

2 John 1
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:




The believer does not need the details of the religion, as this is the task of elite clerics, because the monotheistic religions are clear and depend on belief in the existence of God the Creator, the prophets, and the holy books. The teachings of religions command the believer to be a good man and to stay away from Satan, evil deeds and committing sins. And if he sinned, he have to repent. He must worship God alone, for He is the Forgiver of sins. Worship is a heartfelt relationship between a person and God, and it is acceptable as long as it is done with a sincere intention, whether a person is praying at home, in a church, or in a mosque.
Trust in the Character of God
Two questions inevitably come up in talking about confessing our sins to God:
1. How do I know if/when God has forgiven me? Will I feel forgiven?
2. Have I done enough to deserve God’s forgiveness? Am I sorry enough? Just tell me what to do!
Let’s go back to 1 John 1:9:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We find the answer to both questions, not in us and what we are doing, but in the character of God.
First, God is faithful to forgive your sins.
Second, He is just to forgive your sins.

https://openthebible.org/article/why-you-can-confess-your-sins-to-god/#:~:text=Let's%20go%20back%20to%201,in%20the%20character%20of%20God.
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Unknow

Sun 06/18/23 11:20 AM



the problem with religion is a lot of people can not explain it right nor no how to.




The believer does not need the details of the religion,



then lets talk about facts.
i mean 100 percent.

And why should i give you wisdom, then you use that to teach people for your own religion.
cause you never listen to wisdom. SEEN THIS BEFORE........

your so very wrong. Yet you wont see that now, you have too much pride and your heart is hard.

only thing i will give you is this.

Ezekiel 36 24. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Another miracle is predicted for this extraordinary nation. Ezekiel predicts there will be a final great invasion launched against Israel. It will be led by a power to their extreme north, which can only be Russia. Russia will lead the invasion with a confederacy of specifically predicted nations that are all Muslim today (Ezekiel 38 and 39). Against all odds, the nation has survived and won five wars that were intended to annihilate it. Six day war.

i guess cause you have no faith you have to wait and see it in time. as it is unfolding. THAT YOU ARE WRONG.

I wont respond back cause you make no scene in any of your words. and you still to serve your own religion cause you don't understand your own religion, I SEEN IT BEFORE WHEN I TRIED TO HELP SOMEONE, HE EXPLAINED TO ME FOR A YEAR, COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HIS RELIGION, I TOLD HIM IN 3 MIN WHAT IS GOING ON. THEN HE LIED AND SAID I KNOW AND USED IT TO GAIN HIS OWN RELIGION, LIE TO THE PEOPLE.

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NEVER AGAIN. You see in time, in the tribulation.
YOU WERE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time will tell, i know cause i have faith, and studied christian bible prophecy for 30 years, I know exactly what is happening.


Edited by Unknow on Sun 06/18/23 11:35 AM