I googled because those unwed birth rates didn't seem right. Institute for families Sept 2017 says 70% of black mothers are unwed and 46% of white mothers. When a black woman gets pregnant out of wedlock it's no big deal to the black community. It's the norm. When a white does it, they are shamed by other whites. From what I see, If a black tries to live a decent life, they are shunned by the black community. It's crazy but it's true. Most blacks don't want to do better and when 1 does, it's takes their excuse away.
no. you are confusing numbers. The 70 percent comes from the ratio of black single mothers to black married mothers.
The rate of births per 1000 comes from the trend in the rate per total population of births.
they are different statistics, both accurate, which can be cherry picked in a discussion on 'morals'
white women have been increasing the rate at which they have single parent births, while black women have been decreasing. It so happens that married black women have decreased even more than the single mothers, making the RATIO become higher.
You see alot of nonsense. Im not sure why. maybe its what your brain is wired to see. I see both blacks and whites having kids without shame for marital status. I see both blacks and whites given praise for trying to do better. No matter how often people try to paint the picture that its racially different morals, its not.
I googled again and got the same numbers. Unwed birth rates. Not divorce, cohabitation etc. But I do believe that the generous welfare system we have is also causing whites to begin to abuse the system just like blacks have been doing. My daughter can't get any help because she would have to report her husband's income. In an unmarried family medical, foodstamps, sec 8 etc is taken care of by mom's welfare. The father's check is spending money. Welfare is destroying families.
still not understanding the numbers huh?
okay. So lets say there are 2000 women, 1000 married and 1000 unmarried
if they ALL have 4 kids, thats a RATIO of 50 percent of kids born out of wedlock
Now, if the thousand unwed begin having only 3 kids, but the thousand married cut back to only 1 kid
the ratio now becomes 75 born out of wedlock, even though BOTH groups are having less children
now, take the same scenario 1000 but with unwed WOMEN and 1000 wed WOMEN
if the unwed WOMEN are being 'moral' according to this thread, we are going to look at the rate at which they are popping out kids, not just the rate at which those who HAVE kids are popping them out.
and if the unwed women go from 19 births per thousand to 66, they are somewhere become less'moral' and if they go from 95 to 67 per 1000, they have become less' moral'.
so the difference is in if one chooses to take the number of all MOTHERs, or the numbers regarding all unmarried women, to discern 'morals'.
So it's a liberal spin you are trying to put on it. It's doesn't change the numbers. I already know welfare mom have lots of kids for a bigger income vs a white woman might have 1 kid out of wedlock and realize it takes a lot to raise that child and not make that mistake again. You aren't helping your argument.
lol... NO. MATH is not liberal nor conservative.
If out of 1000 unmarried women there are 19 children, and later there are 54, they are having MORE kids as time goes on, so the propensity for 'morals' is declining.
I didn't calculate the numbers. I just googled. It's you trying to spin it. It's definitely a liberal spin. Everybody except you gets a 70% black unwed birth rate.
no. I get the numbers. They say out of 100 children born 70 are born to unwed mothers and 30 are not.
That is a testament of MOTHERS, and their wedding choice.
the other number that I provided states that in the 70s, out of 1000 unwed WOMEN, white women were only having 19 children chldren, and now are having 66 per 1000 unwed women. Where as in the 70s, out of 1000 unwed Women, black women were having 95 children, and now are having 67. Which means when it comes to the 'morality' of having a child when one is not married, White women are becoming LESS moral (being single and having kids) and black women are becoming MORE moral.
There is no spin. There is math. I get the difference between comparing a woman's wedding choice and comparing a woman's childbearing choice, those looking to spin will refuse to see it though.
One more time. I didn't do the math. 70% of black birth are to unmarried women. 43% of white births are to unmarried white women. It's not the same numbers as what you originally posted. I fact checked because I knew your numbers were b.s.
I've already agreed that whites are catching on to the live off welfare and eat steak and go on cruises. Like I've said in other threads, everyone is seeing welfare abuse. Why would they not want to jump on that wagon? That's why it must be changed.
no bs. You are stuck on the unwed mother to wed mother ratio
i posted the unwed black women having babies and unwed white women having babies numbers.
let me see if I can simplify it
in the 1970s, if you got together 1000 white SINGLE women, there would be 13.9 children ,
and if you got together 1000 black SINGLE women, there would be 95 kids
today, if you got together 1000 white single Women, there would be 44 kids
and if you got together 1000 black Single women, there would be 65 kids
so single white woman have almost TRIPLED the kids their having, while single black women have cut it in half
now, if you take 1000 white KIDS, in the 70s, 55 would be to unmarried mothers, compared to 359 now
and if you take 1000 black kids, in the 70s, 375 would be to unmarried mothers, compared to 720 now
that means that white kids now find themself with almost 7 times the rate of single mother hood
while black kids find themself with twice the rate
and all the stats are accurate and able to be used to imply whatever one wishes, on both sides of the aisle
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/007.pdf
the first set of numbers is comparing the rate at which SINGLE women have kis (amorally)
the second set of numbers is comparing the ratio at which children are born to single verse wedded mothers
TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, one focuses on the actions of single women
the other on the actions of parents regarding the choice to be single or not
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msharmony
on Sun 08/26/18 12:25 AM
